China's War Plans For India

[faithfulguy]

No need to post troll, 96hrs. was a response time to confront threat, not about destroying any country.

I'm just stating the facts. Don't be rude. For your information, you are not on Bharat Rakshak.

 

[faithfulguy]

China’s War Plan

Classified military documents on China’s strategy for a limited war against India confirm our worst fears: China can take Arunachal in 48 hours. And we are in no hurry to do anything about it.

BY Suman Sharma



Bumla: The border post in Arunachal Pradesh where Sino-Indian officials meet at least four times a year. The issues they discuss here range from military incursions to civilians who stray across the border.

The PLA has shifted away from the strategy that gave it victory in the 1962 war against India. But even today, the result is unlikely to be much different.

The PLA has shifted away from the strategy that gave it victory in the 1962 war against India. But even today, the result is unlikely to be much different.

Karu: One more mechanised infantry regiment of the Indian Army is to come up soon, comprising light infantry combat vehicles. As of now, only 52 such vehicles are manning the Sino-Indian border in Karu.

North Sikkim: The Indian Army plans to increase its armoured presence in this area. Most likely to be moved: the 66th Armoured Regiment.

McMahon Line: The line that serves as the effective border between India and China was actually the result of the 1914 Simla Accord between Great Britain and Tibet.

Repeated violations of the Indo-Chinese border lead to an escalation in the war of words, but India continues to believe that the Chinese are following their usual pattern of aggravation and conciliation. Rapid Reaction Forces, comprising 4 divisions stationed at Chengdu and Lanzhou after an overnight mobilisation cross rapidly into Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh. Indian defences are caught unawares, but the Fifth Mountain Division in Tenga engages the invading forces. They find themselves badly outmatched, not only outnumbered but also out-equipped because the Chinese RRF also include airborne assets. The Indian forces have no immediate airlift capacity to provide back up. Within the next 48 hours Arunachal is overrun. The other Indian divisions in the region need at least a week to reach the zone of conflict. By then, the Chinese have achieved their goal of winning a limited war.

The above scenario is no conjecture, it is a plausible outcome of the Chinese doctrine of war against India. The Delhi-based Integrated Defence Staff (IDS), a tri-services institution for planning joint doctrines for the Indian military, in its assessment of Chinese military might, has analysed the Chinese plan for winning limited wars under hi-tech conditions.

The document, a copy of which is available with Open, speaks of a Chinese strategy based on the use of RRFs or ‘fist units’ to fight local wars that ‘can achieve the political objective rendering major wars unnecessary’. These fist units are self contained units to be deployed as ground forces in direct combat, and were raised after the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) emphasis on numbers-in-action in a numerically huge army gave way to a capability-driven force.

In other words, the PLA has shifted away from the strategy that gave it victory in the 1962 war against India. But even today, the result is unlikely to be much different. Now, instead of overwhelming numbers, it is the rapidity of movement and mobilisation that is likely to overwhelm India, perhaps leading to a scenario no different from what transpired in 1962.

Rapid Reaction Forces (RRFs):

»Total of 23 RRFs in China

»Elite Units trained to carry out ops in all types of terrain

»Meant to provide quick reaction capability to deal with contingencies of local/limited border conflicts

»Maintained at full strength

»Kept in high state of operation readiness

»Exempt from non-operational duties

»Provided modern equipment, high grade communications

»Capability of reaching anywhere within China in 7 days, likely to be reduced further

Speaking to Open, former Army Chief VP Malik confirms, “The Chinese have built infrastructure and have their Rapid Reaction Forces (RRF) in place, and are prepared for short wars at the border, as far as movement of troops at short notice and arms are concerned, as they’ve been using an active defence strategy all along which has a certain amount of offensive in that. India earlier was thinking of converting one of its Army divisions into rapid reaction, but did not do it. We need to build our forces in terms of lift capability, landing, light arms and weapons, accordingly—something that was suggested by the IAF and Army earlier, but has not really taken off. Even electronically, the Chinese are far ahead of us.”

The IDS assessment of the Chinese WZC doctrine, done alongwith the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA), talks about China’s three-fold War Zone Campaign (WZC) doctrine—elite force sharp arms (that is, suitable hi-tech equipment), fighting a quick battle to force a quick resolution and gaining initiative by striking first. For this purpose, ranged against India are the following:

»In Chengdu adjoining north eastern Arunachal Pradesh: 3 Divisions and one artillery brigade

»In Lanzhou adjoining northwestern Arunachal: 3 divisions and one artillery brigade

These divisions provide a strength of 94,000 men against which India has ranged 9 Mountain Divisions comprising 90,000 men, but most of these would not even enter the conflict. Of the six Chinese divisions, four are airborne RRFs and can be moved within 48 hours on the back of airlift capability granted by Y8, IL-76 and H5 transport planes in the region. With rail and road infrastructure in place, mobilisation time could be further reduced. The Lhasa-Beijing railway line, the highest in the world, would further help in transporting troops and logistics. In contrast, India’s first C-130J transport plane would enter service only in February 2011. As a result, seven of India’s eight mountain divisions in the northeast would be of no use against an offensive as laid out in the Chinese War Doctrine.

The eight Indian mountain divisions in the northeast are as follows:

»2nd mountain Div in Dinjan

»5 mountain Div in Tenga

»17 mountain Div in Gangtok

»20 mountain Div in Rangiya,

»27 mountain Div in Kalimpong

»56 mountain Div in Zakhama

»57 mountain Div in Leimakhong

»71 mountain Div in Assam (still in the process of being raised)

No armoured or airborne units are part of mountain divisions in this region. Moreover, these units require at least a week to be mobilised, which would be time enough for China to bring its entire force of RRFs to bear against India. The numbers in Chengdu and Lanzhou can be backed up by any of the 19 other RRF divisions across China; given their airlift capabilities, many of them can reach the theatre of operations within a week, which is still faster than what it would take Indian troops located far closer to the action.

Former Army Chief JJ Singh sounds sanguine: “The enunciation of a doctrine and the creation of rapid reaction forces (RRFs) is a fundamental imperative for any military. RRF is a high sounding name for ‘reinforcements and reserves which are capable of quick induction’. There is nothing new in that. No professional army can be ‘sans’ doctrine, and no general can ignore having reserve forces in a ‘ready and relevant’ mode, to be employed when and where required.”

But the fact is the Indian response to the scenario laid out in documents compiled by its institutions has been slow in coming. India lacks infrastructure in the northeast. The Border Roads Organisation is still in the process of coming up with roads and other structures in the area nearly four decades after the defeat suffered at the hands of the Chinese. An amount of Rs 2,000 crore is now being pumped in for the re-activation of the advanced landing grounds (ALG) in the northeast and Ladakh.

In September 2009, in Nyoma, eastern Ladakh, an IAF An-32 transport aircraft landed at the ALG, at an altitude of 13,300 feet, and became the first fixed wing to land at the compact airstrip, which is 23 km from the Line of Actual Control (LAC). Helicopters have been landing at the place, though. Nyoma was re-activated as part of the seven defunct airfields which were to be re-activated, and came after Daulat Beg Oldie and Fukche in Ladakh, which were made operational in 2008. Daulat Beg Oldie is the highest airfield in the world at an altitude of 16,200 feet.

But in Arunachal Pradesh, Machuka, Tuting, Paasighat and Along still await re-activation. And it is here that the Indian vulnerability which was so badly exposed in 1962 persists. India had only two divisions of troops in the region of the conflict, and as a result, China registered major gains over India and seized Rezang La in Chushul in the western theatre and Tawang in the eastern theatre. The Chinese strategy was clear: the main assault was launched in the eastern sector, while a simultaneous but smaller assault took place in the western sector. All Indian troops in territories that China claimed belonged to it in the eastern sector were ousted before China declared a ceasefire in November 1962.

The Government’s own assessment of the failures of 1962, recorded in the official history of the war, reads: ‘Strategically, Walong, Tawang and the forward areas in Ladakh were indefensible in 1962 against a major attack. But, regarding eastern Ladakh in particular, it is difficult to think up any viable strategy to save it once the Chinese have stolen a march in logistics by quietly building the road through Akshai Chin.’ That is precisely what the Chinese are busy doing now: stealing the march in logistics.

India, on the other hand, continues to respond slowly. Two Sukhoi-30 squadrons are planned for Tezpur and one for Mohanbari, but only Six Sukhoi-30 aircraft are flying in Tezpur currently. Six C-130J Super Hercules transport aircraft, which India is buying from the US, are to be based in the northeast, in all likelihood in Jorhat as these aircraft need very little space and can take off and land on short runways.

There is no armoured regiment in the east or northeast. The 66 Armoured Regiment at the Indo-Bangladesh border is to be used for any eventuality in the east and northeast, till light tanks are bought for use at high altitudes.

The Indian Army plans to buy around 300 light tanks, mainly for the China-centric Karu-based 3rd Division, but plans to increase armoured presence in the North Sikkim plateau are also under active consideration.

But even as India gears up to meet the current Chinese threat, China is already planning for the future. As a result, the gap in capabilities is unlikely to shrink, if not grow wider.At the moment, while India has technological superiority in air power, this is also being neutralised by the Chinese. China is inducting 40 Sukhoi 27s and 300 J 10 fighters, 10 IL 78 mid-air refuellers, 4 Awacs and around 4 to 6 airborne early warning aircraft. This will take care of the current imbalance. The addition of 40 IL 76 heavy lift aircraft will bolster their airlift capabilities which will cater to another 48 additional airborne divisions that are being raised this year. In addition, the DIA estimates the Chinese have an additional 500 civilian aircraft for the airlifting of troops.

Former Air Chief FH Major tells Open that while some of the claims may be exaggerated, China does enjoy an advantage in numbers: “300 J-10 aircraft by the end of 2010 is too high an expectation as each aircraft requires clearance before becoming fully operational. But, inventory-wise China is ahead of us with their force multipliers and counter measures.”

In 1962 as well, the Indian establishment misjudged the intent of the Chinese. The Indian intelligence apparatus told the Government in Delhi that the Chinese ‘were not likely to use force against any of our posts, even if they were in a position to do so’.

The 1962 incursion proved it wrong. The closing remarks of SN Prasad, chief editor of that war’s official history that was commissioned by the Union Ministry of Defence, sound a note of caution worth mentioning here: ‘In the long history of war, defeat has always proved a better teacher than victory. The 1962 war proved it once again. But no nation can afford to have many such teachers.’

Another example of why India need US help desperately.

 

[lhuang]

Another example of why India need US help desperately.

Why the HELL would you quote the whole thing?

 

[faithfulguy]

Why the HELL would you quote the whole thing?

So people can read it again. Did I made you read it twice? Found any errors?

 

[ek_indian]

Thats one parameter to understand if China will support India for the Veto Power or not. I am not saying because I love China or take India as rivalry, but from the facts on ground and the geo-political developments of the past few years, one can clearly read that China is taking India a threat and India is taking China an equal threat. China will not support India until unless India leave the US camp and becomes ally with China against common enemies.

This is the biggest myth that India is in some camp.
If some other country did some mistakes, it doesn't mean India would do the same. History shows we were never in any camp.

 

[ek_indian]

Why are you guys worried when Gen Kapoor was "Prepared" to Take on SinoPak at the Same time ?

This is not what Indian general said.
Please do not derail the thread. And yes, I expected the sane response from senior member atleast.

 

[lhuang]

So people can read it again. Did I made you read it twice? Found any errors?

Oh god help me

 

[sivadreams]

I'm just stating the facts. Don't be rude. For your information, you are not on Bharat Rakshak.

If you think this is what the General had spoken so be it. We Indians do understand what he meant. If you wish to close your eyes and ears thats your problem. Which part of Justin's comment looked RUDE to you. Your facts are fictional and based on your own understanding so keep it to yourself or get it clarified.

 

[sivadreams]

So people can read it again. Did I made you read it twice? Found any errors?

This shows your maturity level

 

[Justin Joseph]

I'm just stating the facts. Don't be rude. For your information, you are not on Bharat Rakshak.

What facts, why are u showing deliberated arrogance?? I know where am i. You are not in a dictator chinese forum this is a democratic forum.

No need to post off topic.

 

[below_freezing]

Your statement sound like the Indian general who can destroy both China and Pakistan in 96th hours. Not only that, your statement look like from most of the posts from some Indians here, which only look at the weapons you have but not at what the opposition have.

If China have those weapons, why won't India have weapons to counter what China can throw at India? Is Indians going to just sit back and let China attack India without fighting back. Make sure you consider Indian defenses against what China has.

first, i'm not copying the indian members, i'm copying gambit, who said that: USAF B-1s and B-2s can destroy any early warning radar the PLA has. when asked about countermeasures to said bombings, he said nothing.

but i'll go 1 step further, and talk about possible indian countermeasures.

other than S-300, india has no long range air defense missiles, that is, over 100 km range.

the range of our best anti-radiation missile, the YJ-12, is 250 km, 50 km more than S-300 PMU2. Our second best, YJ-9, has a range of 120 km, slightly within the range of S-300 PMU2's but just beyond that of the 9M96E2 on PMU1.

in the event of any war, under KJ-2000 jamming and guidance, JH-7E and J-8s will carry out bombing missions against SAM radars and indian AWACs, and because india purchases these systems, they cannot be replaced easily, thus a loss is essentially permanent.

indian AWACs have just began arriving in may 2009 and will take a year for them to be integrated into the air force

Indian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thus a preemptive strike by the PLAAF now with YJ-9 and YJ-12 can cripple their surface radars. once their SAMs are disabled, DF-21 and CJ-10s can be fired with impunity at airfields, the prime minister's office, supply depots and indian army bases.

any attempt to scramble fighters will be met with overwhelming firepower. india's BVR missiles are limited to the R-77, with a range of 175 km, which can only be carried on their Su-30s; their mirage's are only equipped with 37 km Matra Super 530Ds.

However, our BVR missiles which include R-77 and PL-12 with equivalent range can be carried on most of our aircraft, including J-8s. we have double the number of J-8s that can launch BVR missiles than india has total Su-30s. Not only that, they can be guided with AWACs, which would be almost invincible against the indian air force which lacks long range air to air anti radiation missiles, but which we do not lack - we have the YJ-91.

in a real war the indian air force would suffer the same fate as the Beiyang Navy of the Qing Dynasty. let's hope we never have to fight that out, as it would cause significant damage to china's reputation, and equally massive damage to india's physical infrastructure.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Sigh... another Bharat-Rakshak type propaganda.

It is Bharat that ILLEGALLY holds Chinese land, not the other way around. I guess they are scared the rightful owner will demand it back. They are getting nervous watching the clock tick... tock.... tick.... tock...

 

[below_freezing]

and that is just following US tactics of fighting at primarily BVR.

the PLA's power in short range fighting, however, has never been doubted by even the US Army.

even if we drop down to infrared WVR missiles, they'll still have a longer range than anything except the R-77 in india's arsenal.

 

[below_freezing]

we need people like him to remind us of our weaknesses. only through criticism can our country get stronger.

however we also must be careful to not underestimate our own ability. the PLAAF has always been one of the most important parts of our military, and currently is behind only US and Russia. India is not even a consideration.

 

[lhuang]

Oh lei bruv a few things:

India has anti radiation missiles too, the Kh-31, Kh-28, Kh 29, Kh 58, we also have the K-100 Novator, which has a range of 200km possibly more as well as the R-77 and R-27. We're gonna be getting the R - 37 with PAK FA.

The YJ-91 is a copy of the Kh-31, which we possess. Whoever wrote this crap has absolutely no idea about Indias capabilities. Ask him if the PLAAF is so capable, which is AP still in Indian hands.

We have the SPYDER, AKASH systems both of which are ROAD MOBILE and highly effective, hence making anti radiation missiles fairly redundant.

I'll write later about the J-8s, cbf gotta study aye

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