China’s Type 055 destroyer: Why India should take inspiration from Russia’s Lider-class destroyer

[21stCentury]

There are some errors in the report. The Japanese Atago class is closer to 9,000 tons at full displacement, whereas the Type 055 approaches 14,000 tons fully equipped.

 

[Han Patriot]

It was never a tonnage competition. WW2-era Battleships had vastly greater tonnage than these modern ones, the Battleship HMS Vanguard in 1946 was over 50,000 tons.

The Type 055 is larger than other modern destroyers because they wanted more space for advanced tech, radars and weapons. Same reason the Zummwalt is a similar size.

If it was an issue of ego then people would still be building WW2 sized Battleships. But it's not a good idea.

I was watching the Chinese analysis on the 055, it made sense to build it to that tonnage, the main reason is to fit bigger missiles, not just more missiles, a bigger tonnage will increase the depth of the launcher, thereby enabling the ship to accommodate longer and bigger missiles.

They were reporting radar signatures as low as a 500 tonne boat, the design of the coating was also differnt from conventional ship, it uses some radar absorbent material. And the metal on the mast is not uniform, it consists of different material for different radar. It was designed to absorb radar signals from outside but allow a particular radar wave to be emitted.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

It was never a tonnage competition. WW2-era Battleships had vastly greater tonnage than these modern ones, the Battleship HMS Vanguard in 1946 was over 50,000 tons.

The Type 055 is larger than other modern destroyers because they wanted more space for advanced tech, radars and weapons. Same reason the Zummwalt is a similar size.

If it was an issue of ego then people would still be building WW2 sized Battleships. But it's not a good idea.

The articles coming out of Indian media is, "Hey China is going for 12k tonnes, but we have only 8k tonnes, so IN is outgunned" is really a stupid factual analysis to begin with. The thing is you are corroborating my point. If an 9k tonne ship can incorporate all the features of an advanced warship then having a smaller one is better.
IN should build smart and know its capability. If we have an advanced radar which needs more space and power than tonnage can be increased accordingly.

Another reason is this Chinese destroyer has some 128 VLS slots which requires a lot of space and tonnage. If IN can have the same tech with 64 slots then I am good. (Current IN destroyers have empty slots where 64 can be increased to 72 or 80, which is more than good if u ask me)

 

[ni8mare]

I'm not sure going back to battle cruisers is a great idea. I'd stick to sub 10k class destroyers. The offensive capabilities of today's AShM make these elephants sitting ducks.

really ?? then why IN is pursuing next gen destroyers or Project 18 /P18
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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/navy-focuses-on-next-generation-destroyers.464985/

Following the immensely successful induction of Delhi-Class and Kolkata-Class destroyers into the Navy, he said now it was working towards the "next-generation destroyers" to give an edge to the three-dimensional blue-water force.

"We are conceptualising and planning the next-gen destroyers which would be of new designs and more potent. We shall take up the proposal with the centre in due course," he said.

The planned project would encompass additional features compared to the earlier Projects 15, 15A and 15B.

Giving hints, he said the next-gen destroyers would be far advanced in terms of capability with more stealth features and an even more deadlier weapons package.
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.....there is a reason why frigate corvette and destroyer exist......besides we are now making our own AESA radar, a Mid range SAM in form of Barak 8 already exist, DRDO's QRSAM in testing.....while work is on XRSAM and nirbhay cruise missile,,,where you will find space to put then all ......you need bigger hull
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[AUSTERLITZ]

Absolutely not,we don't need huge destroyers unless we want to operate worldwide,for dominance in IOR number of quality ships withe excellent weapon systems and adequate support from land based aircraft and submarines from friendly ports nearby are more than enough.Our P-17A frigates and vishakhapatnma class destroyers are more than enough(though add 32 barak-8s to the latter in empty space).Main investment should be in submarines,it doesn't matter how big ships are they are still targets for submarines and china's ASW capability is below par.

 

[UKBengali]

China is building warships like Type 55 destroyer and Type 95 SSN in order to dominate over any Navy in the Western Pacific and the IOR, bar the USN.

These Indian wet dreams of being able to take on a Chinese CBG of 100,000 tonne supercarrier, escorted by Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSN will remain wet dreams of theirs.

India should focus their limited financial and technological capabilities on weapons like submarines, as that will give them the best chance of being able to blunt onslaughts by either USN or PLAN. Building aircraft carriers and escorts like destroyers is a complete waste for them.

 

[Penguin]

There is a billion Chinese. In Chinese reports the radar signature was as low as a 500 tonne boat.

The retorts was directed at this post "I'm not sure going back to battle cruisers is a great idea. I'd stick to sub 10k class destroyers. The offensive capabilities of today's AShM make these elephants sitting ducks." Nothing to do with rcs.

China is building warships like Type 55 destroyer and Type 95 SSN in order to dominate over any Navy in the Western Pacific and the IOR, bar the USN.

These Indian wet dreams of being able to take on a Chinese CBG of 100,000 tonne supercarrier, escorted by Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSN will remain wet dreams of theirs.

India should focus their limited financial and technological capabilities on weapons like submarines, as that will give them the best chance of being able to blunt onslaughts by either USN or PLAN. Building aircraft carriers and escorts like destroyers is a complete waste for them.

Bar the US? No, the kind of ship like 055 and carriers are directly opposite the US fleets. That is their sole purpose.

 

[UKBengali]

Bar the US? No, the kind of ship like 055 and carriers are directly opposite the US fleets. That is their sole purpose.

You have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

When China has 100,000 tonne nuclear carriers, Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSNs then only the US Navy will be able to take it on. All others will be no match to these two super powerful Navies.

I have predicted for many years that PLAN will eventually grow to rival the USN when a lot of people said this was not going to happen. Time has proved me right.

 

[ranadd]

You have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

When China has 100,000 tonne nuclear carriers, Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSNs then only the US Navy will be able to take it on. All others will be no match to these two super powerful Navies.

I have predicted for many years that PLAN will eventually grow to rival the USN when a lot of people said this was not going to happen. Time has proved me right.

You expect other countries to sit and watch? You expect this is a RTS games?

Have some common sense.

 

[gslv mk3]

These Indian wet dreams of being able to take on a Chinese CBG of 100,000 tonne supercarrier, escorted by Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSN will remain wet dreams of theirs.

Aww..the cheerleader is here.

 

[aswin]

China is building warships like Type 55 destroyer and Type 95 SSN in order to dominate over any Navy in the Western Pacific and the IOR, bar the USN.

These Indian wet dreams of being able to take on a Chinese CBG of 100,000 tonne supercarrier, escorted by Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSN will remain wet dreams of theirs.

India should focus their limited financial and technological capabilities on weapons like submarines, as that will give them the best chance of being able to blunt onslaughts by either USN or PLAN. Building aircraft carriers and escorts like destroyers is a complete waste for them.

operate a cbg before u give the ultimatum

 

[Han Patriot]

The retorts was directed at this post "I'm not sure going back to battle cruisers is a great idea. I'd stick to sub 10k class destroyers. The offensive capabilities of today's AShM make these elephants sitting ducks." Nothing to do with rcs.


Bar the US? No, the kind of ship like 055 and carriers are directly opposite the US fleets. That is their sole purpose.

I think you have this misconception that missiles are guided by vision rather than radars.

You have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

When China has 100,000 tonne nuclear carriers, Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSNs then only the US Navy will be able to take it on. All others will be no match to these two super powerful Navies.

I have predicted for many years that PLAN will eventually grow to rival the USN when a lot of people said this was not going to happen. Time has proved me right.

Patience my Bengali friend. Time will tell, Chinese normally will do thing quietly and surprise people when it is completed. Americans thought we only started work on 055 last year, but the truth was construction started in 2014.

 

[Penguin]

You have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

When China has 100,000 tonne nuclear carriers, Type 55 destroyers and Type 95 SSNs then only the US Navy will be able to take it on. All others will be no match to these two super powerful Navies.

I have predicted for many years that PLAN will eventually grow to rival the USN when a lot of people said this was not going to happen. Time has proved me right.

Lucky you. Do you also predict stock?

 

[Tshering22]

Doing a d*ck measuring contest with China is stupid.

Hull to hull they will build more and more warships which are bigger than us. We need to find a solution similar to what Chinese have considered when considering a potential US-China war.

Use simpler military tactics and equipment to up the ante in a short time so that there is no escalation and any conflict can be solved by coming to the table for talks.

 

[Penguin]

I think you have this misconception that missiles are guided by vision rather than radars.

I think you incorrectly asume. A missile like e.g. Kongsberg NSM does not have an onboard radar and since it could initially be targeted using ESM, the launching ship wouldn't necessariy need a radar either.

Besides, they initial post referred to the SIZE of the ship one navy or another required. And this is not determined in any way by hoe missiles are guided, or whether a ship has stealth feature. If has everything to do with the tasks the ship is expected to perform. Hence, you comment is irrelevant.

You have a nice day now.