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These are vicious set-ups and slander etc as I said
How can prisoners get trained for stringent quality requirements of commercial products?
Just ridiculous accusations!
Why couldn't prisoners be trained to produce quality products?

1. we are running the largest trade surpluses with USA, that incites all the libels and bullshits which attempt to create public sentiments of not buying from China!
Well, it's up to China to prove these "libels and bullsh1ts".

...there are global procurement standards for international firms...law compliance teams who are working within the factories whose jobs are for policing the conducts of the factories so that they will not be in violations of rules -
For a few Western high-profile products like sneakers, yes. For products sold under Chinese brand names I have no idea. And if some stuff is outsourced from the main factory to the prisons who would notice?

...for the haters who wont believe, the local governments also have industrial safety and regulation supervisors carrying out the compliance duties -
I tried engaging in such a discussion with some mainland Chinese twenty years ago and was met with laughter than anyone would take such claims seriously; they dumped their waste wherever they could get away with it and as for worker safety that was an American concern, not theirs. I left feeling quite embarrassed. Is it really different today?

All phoney reporting by @soloman who is equally guilty of naivety and being credulous!8-)
You can verify the accused problematic products (containing hidden slips).
Trace their product serial numbers to batch numbers
Trace the batch numbers to the lots of finished products received
Trace the receipts to the location of the factory
Do a surprise visit there for God's sake and find out if there is any truth to the accusations! 8-)
That sounds like a good course of action.
 
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Why couldn't prisoners be trained to produce quality products?

Well, it's up to China to prove these "libels and bullsh1ts".

Very unlikely! quality products requires skills which cannot be normally expected from prisoners whose background are like a wild jungle. There will be horrendous product rejects and re-works out of rough hands. Those are not best factory practices

It is for the purchasers to find out because the souce of accusation is originated from usa
China wont act on silly posters and silly articles like knee jerks.
You havent the experience nor common sense so keep asking silly questions :dirol:

For a few Western high-profile products like sneakers, yes. For products sold under Chinese brand names I have no idea. And if some stuff is outsourced from the main factory to the prisons who would notice?

nonsense. you dont understand my posting because you are unlearnt and/or inexperienced
Trace back to my comments and think it out yourself @post #16 8-)


I tried engaging in such a discussion with some mainland Chinese twenty years ago and was met with laughter than anyone would take such claims seriously; they dumped their waste wherever they could get away with it and as for worker safety that was an American concern, not theirs. I left feeling quite embarrassed. Is it really different today?

That sounds like a good course of action.

I dont believe they would adopt the national practice of India,

ps I ask you again: are you Indian by ethnicity?
 
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Very unlikely! quality products requires skills which cannot be normally expected from prisoners whose background are like a wild jungle. There will be horrendous product rejects and re-works out of rough hands. Those are not best factory practices
My experience is limited. Earlier this year I spoke to one British businessman who builds products in China and he thought all Chinese workers were good, he simply had to be careful to select good Chinese managers.
 
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cnleio has a special thread about China prison.

The prison provides lowest cost for China workshop.

That's meaningful
 
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What about all the black、brown and yellow slaves in America?Today's America。

An American has the balls to talk about slaves?

Don't make your ancestors and yourself more despicable than they already were and you already are。:rofl:
 
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Making prisoners do work is a good idea, every country does it, to different degrees.

Comparing it with the enslavement of blacks in America is a joke. They were made slaves because of their race.

There is, however, a fine line between utilizing the productive capacity of an incarcerated population for the benefits of both the system and the prisoner him/herself, and taking advantage (at great human cost) of a group of individuals by forcing them to work at the behest of not themselves but those seeking to earn a profit. The two never mix well. At least not in a modern and constitutional society where the criminal justice system is to be a service rooted in trust.
 
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Shocking Facts About America's For-Profit Prison Industry

As long as their have been human societies, there have been criminals. Despite the best efforts of lawmakers and religions, humans can’t be trusted to do the right thing, even when we’re aware of the consequences. The prison system used to be a last resort, a place you sent people when other forms of punishment were ineffective. Now it’s grown into something much darker, and even less rehabilitative.

Unbeknownst to many, the prison system has become a for-profit business in which inmates are the product–a system that has shocking similarities to another human-based business from America’s past: slavery.

In late 2013, a new report from In the Public Interest (ITPI) revealed that private prison companies are striking deals with states that contain clauses guaranteeing high prison occupancy rates–sometimes 100 percent. This means that states agree to supply prison corporations with a steady flow of residents–whether or not that level of criminal activity exists. Some experts believe this relationship between government and private prison corporations encourages law enforcement agencies to use underhanded tactics–often targeting minority and underserved groups–to fill cells.

“The report, ‘Criminal: How Lockup Quotas and ‘Low-Crime Taxes’ Guarantee Profits for Private Prison Corporations,’ documents the contracts exchanged between private prison companies and state and local governments that either guarantee prison occupancy rates (essentially creating inmate lockup quotas) or force taxpayers to pay for empty beds if the prison population decreases due to lower crime rates or other factors (essentially creating low-crime taxes),” reports Salon.

As a result, there are now over 2 million people living behind bars in the United States. That’s half a million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Many are incarcerated for non-violent crimes, like the use or possession of marijuana, and other problems that would be far better served through a rehabilitation or education program.

The worst part is that once captured by the prison industry, inmates are forced to work for pennies an hour, providing cheap labor for some of the most profitable enterprises in the world, including the U.S. Military.


According to the Left Business Observer, “the federal prison industry produces 100 percent of all military helmets, ammunition belts, bullet-proof vests, ID tags, shirts, pants, tents, bags, and canteens. Along with war supplies, prison workers supply 98 percent of the entire market for equipment assembly services; 93 percent of paints and paintbrushes; 92 percent of stove assembly; 46 percent of body armor; 36 percent of home appliances; 30 percent of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21 percent of office furniture. Airplane parts, medical supplies, and much more: prisoners are even raising seeing-eye dogs for blind people.”

When you can get that kind of labor for less than a dollar a day, it’s hard to see the government’s motivation for incarcerating fewer people. And it’s all done at the taxpayer’s expense.

Scroll through the infographic below for more shocking facts about Americas prison industry, and how much its costing taxpayers like you.

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China's total prison population is around 1.5 million. But somehow the author knows for a fact that there are 3-5 million laogai prisoners? Did he count them all himself or did pull that figure from some part of his body that's dark and smelly?

There are more prisoners in the US, where "prison" is a for profit industry, than there are in China, even though China has 4-5 times the population of the US.

I mean, the author can't even get basic numbers right. It's not that hard. There's something called "google" he theoretically has access to.

The paramount discrepancy between the US correctional system vis-a-vis those of China is the intention of prison jobs. Western facilities see it as a way for the prisoner to pass time, pay the prisoners for their deeds, and perhaps allow them to gain the skills needed for a profession once they are released. The prisoners are most likely happy to have attained those labor positions, and they are not forced to do so. Labor camps in China, where the offenders do their jobs at the whim of companies seeking for profit, and where nobody is given one iota of freedom of choice in that matter, sings a drastically different tune. One serves the prisoners and state while one serves the CEO's bank account
 
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I like the idea of making criminals work like that. :police:

Maybe, with all the criminals we have in Pakistan, we can make them make our roads or make them clean toilets or the roads they built (or were already built). We can also make the terrorists work in mines to search for gold, tin and other resources! (since we have both a huge labor force of terrorists and a good supply of resources). ;)
 
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I like the idea of making criminals work like that. :police:

Maybe, with all the criminals we have in Pakistan, we can make them make our roads or make them clean toilets or the roads they built (or were already built). We can also make the terrorists work in mines to search for gold, tin and other resources! (since we have both a huge labor force of terrorists and a good supply of resources). ;)

A correctional system is in place to, you guessed it, correct the people, not break them.
 
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The paramount discrepancy between the US correctional system vis-a-vis those of China is the intention of prison jobs. Western facilities see it as a way for the prisoner to pass time, pay the prisoners for their deeds, and perhaps allow them to gain the skills needed for a profession once they are released. The prisoners are most likely happy to have attained those labor positions, and they are not forced to do so. Labor camps in China, where the offenders do their jobs at the whim of companies seeking for profit, and where nobody is given one iota of freedom of choice in that matter, sings a drastically different tune. One serves the prisoners and state while one serves the CEO's bank account

Did you even read the post above yours?
 
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Did a crime and get to eat sleep and shit for free? No way.

Laogai is still better than prisons in Africa. Letting inmates mingle with each other with nothing to do in America is totally bad idea. How are you going to reform them? I changed my mind after watching this documentary.

 
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