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China's piracy hurting its own industries

Kindly stop your anti-China propaganda and read the facts.

He isn't going to stop his China-bashing, and I don't think it's even a good idea for him to stop.

It just reinforces those old divisions, and proves people right when they say that China-India relations are doomed to failure.

No real harm, apart from the flame wars.
 
The PRC has fostered an amoral society for the past 60 years. Chinese society has no respect for intellectual property rights. Someday this will come back to "bite" China. But for now it is a winning, though reprehensible, strategy. China is proof positive that cheaters usually win .....
 
But for now it is a winning, though reprehensible, strategy.

Ah you don't have to sound so disappointed. :azn:

It would be more constructive if you guys developed a strategy to counter it, and find a way to get rid of all your debt/deficit somehow.

Although Obama seems to be on a spending spree, so it doesn't look great at the moment. Nobody seems to be able to challenge him either, least of all Palin. So it looks like a very long road ahead.
 
Yes, and projected to overtake the US economy within slightly more than a decade. :azn:

Even today, Obama is begging for China to keep buying US treasury bonds, and to loan money to them to cover US debt. Money which they then use, to increase their trade deficit to us.

But India is only the 11th economy, far behind even Brazil. With more poor people in India than even in the Africa, I think it's even more absurd that Indians keep claiming they will be a superpower.

China is so far ahead of India (2nd largest economy) yet Chinese leaders have never once claimed that China will be a superpower. It's the Western media that keeps claiming that, not China.

So India is the arrogant one. How can you possibly claim you guys will be a superpower when you're so far behind even Brazil, and you've got more people in poverty than even the continent of Africa?

CD, i begg to differ, India is already the "Super-Power" in "Fake Drugs", 75% domination and killing ten of thousands of people yearly.

'Fake drugs are a growing problem' Oct 04, 2010

While counterfeit drugs have been around for decades, the internet’s growth and the popularity of Pfizer’s erectile dysfunction drug Viagra in the 1990s created the “perfect storm” to fuel this underground industry. Last year, nearly 1,700 incidents of counterfeit drugs were reported worldwide, triple the number in 2004, says the Pharmaceutical Security Institute (PSI), a group funded by drugmakers. Estimates for the size of the counterfeit drug market range from $75 billion to $200 billion a year. Shockingly, 75% of fake drugs supplied globally have some origins in India , says Sanjiv Shah, head—global life sciences practice, Intelligroup, a leading provider of IT solutions to help drug companies counter the fake drug menace. In a recent interaction with BV Mahalakshmi, Shah lays emphasis on safety through traceability by means of epedigree, an electronic document being used by drug companies to protect consumers from fake medicines. Excerpts:
'Fake drugs are a growing problem'
 
The PRC has fostered an amoral society for the past 60 years. Chinese society has no respect for intellectual property rights. Someday this will come back to "bite" China. But for now it is a winning, though reprehensible, strategy. China is proof positive that cheaters usually win .....

For those that are willing to be fair, they recognize that the establishment of an intellectual property system takes time. There is a reason that people call them "developing countries." Also, people in a developing country need time to adjust to a culturally unfamiliar framework for patents. Just ask the Indians with regard to pharmaceutical patents.

It is unfair to severely criticize China, which is clearly a developing country. In fact, China has done more than most developing countries to improve its intellectual property enforcement.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-opportunities/trade-topics/intellectual-property/dialogues/
"Aug 30, 2010 ... China has taken major steps to put in place a sound IP system since 1980 ... The Commission has also set up a China IPR helpdesk to help ... The implementation of proper IP enforcement will have to be monitored closely. ..."

http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/aarticle/counselorsreport/europereport/201012/20101207288356.html
"Dec 6, 2010 ... With the deepening of reform and opening up, China's IPR system has been completed and ... The culture enforcement authorities confiscated over 36.13 million .... fourth, step up criminal punishment and handle a batch of ..."

http://cz.china-embassy.org/cze/rdzt/srocpss/t276970.htm
"Oct 20, 2006 ... The memo represented just one of China's recent measures to step up intellectual property right (IPR) protection, amidst the leaders' call ..."
 
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Shockingly, 75% of fake drugs supplied globally have some origins in India

That's right, the OECD says that India produces 75% of the fake drugs in the world.

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) reckons that 75% of the world's total supply of fake drugs can be traced to India.

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I think that is more dangerous to people's lives than downloading a movie... relatively speaking of course.
 
For those that are willing to be fair, they recognize that the establishment of an intellectual property system takes time. There is a reason that people call them "developing countries." Also, people in a developing country need time to adjust to an unfamiliar framework for patents. It is unfair to severely criticize China, which is clearly a developing country.

In fact, China has done more than more developing countries to improve its intellectual property enforcement.

(citations forthcoming)

This is total BS. The USA adopted it's patent system at the founding of our nation. It was "developing" in every sense of the word today. Thomas Jefferson signed the initial US Patents. China does not respect intellectual property rights because of its legacy of Communist thought and barely respects any property rights, let alone intellectual ones! To say otherwise is to be an ignorant apologist for the obvious amorality of the Chinese system.
 
For those that are willing to be fair, they recognize that the establishment of an intellectual property system takes time. Also, people in a developing country need time to adjust to it. It is unfair to severely criticize China, which is clearly a developing country.

In fact, China has done more than more developing countries to improve its intellectual property enforcement.

(citations forthcoming)

Certainly not as bad as they claim, but bashers......

China’s historical disregard for intellectual property rights (IPR) is well known and has been extensively documented in legal skirmishes such as those between Cisco and Huawei, General Motors and Chery Auto, and Microsoft and an army of pirates in small shops as well as high-rise offices. However, China is changing rapidly and, even in the IPR arena, today’s China is quite different from that of even five years ago. First, the government has now become extremely serious about developing science, technology and innovation as the new basis for China’s competitiveness. It has concluded that a weak IPR regime is as much a deterrent to domestic innovators as it is to foreign companies. IPR lawsuits by Chinese companies against each other are now a welcome and growing phenomenon.

Second, large publicly listed and increasingly global Chinese companies are not only more professionally run than the purely domestic Chinese companies of yesterday, they are also increasingly wary of the reputational and business risks associated with facing an IPR lawsuit outside China. Third, on the consumer goods front, as China’s retail sector has become increasingly consolidated into large chains, the new intermediaries are far more interested in selling higher-margin genuine products than very low-priced, low-margin fakes.

In short, while piracy in China is not dead, it is a declining challenge for both commercial and consumer products and, in any case, pales in comparison with other challenges, such as widespread corruption, a brutally competitive marketplace, a vast and diverse country, and government regulations that can change rapidly and may vary from one province to another.
Six Myths About China | Articles | Chief Executive - The magazine for the Chief Executive Officer
 
To say otherwise is to be an ignorant apologist for the obvious amorality of the Chinese system.

That's me then.

Tell me Truthseeker, does Palin even have a chance of beating Obama, or are we going to see America slide even further into debt and deficit?
 
That's me then.

Tell me Truthseeker, does Palin even have a chance of beating Obama, or are we going to see America slide even further into debt and deficit?

Palin has no chance to be the USA President. I do not know who will be the Republican challenger, but Sarah Palin is highly unlikely to be the Republican nominee, but, if she is, she will lose.

P.S. I'm glad you agree that you are an ignorant apologist for the amoral Chinese system.
 
Palin has no chance to be the USA President. I do not know who will be the Republican challenger, but Sarah Palin is highly unlikely to be the Republican nominee, but, if she is, she will lose.

So what are you guys going to do in order to fix your economy? Specifically the debt and the deficit.

P.S. I'm glad you agree that you are an ignorant apologist for the amoral Chinese system.

I was being sarcastic. :azn:

The CCP has lifted hundreds of millions of Chinese people out of poverty, a feat unprecedented in human history. Of course I'm going to support them over outsiders who cannot even speak a word of our language and who doesn't care about us in the slightest.
 
This is total BS. The USA adopted it's patent system at the founding of our nation. It was "developing" in every sense of the word today. Thomas Jefferson signed the initial US Patents. China does not respect intellectual property rights because of its legacy of Communist thought and barely respects any property rights, let alone intellectual ones! To say otherwise is to be an ignorant apologist for the obvious amorality of the Chinese system.

You seem to be ignorant of American history. Let me enlighten you.

DICKENS V AMERICA | More Intelligent Life

"DICKENS V AMERICA
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In the 19th century publishing battles raged between Britain and the United States. A loophole in American copyright law enabled publishers to reprint British books at will. Until 1891, the intellectual property of non-citizens was up for grabs. Charles Dickens, Alfred Tennyson and other popular British writers lost untold amounts of income as American publishers profited. American writers, too, were commercial losers at home, as a book of poetry by Longfellow or Poe selling for one dollar had to compete with a 25 cent novel by Dickens or Thackeray.

It was an intellectual-property war every bit as fierce as today's DVD black market in China. American publishers would send their agents to roam the wharves in New York, Philadelphia and Boston to intercept popular manuscripts coming in by ship. Across the Atlantic, English customs officials would search passenger ships coming from the States and confiscate pirated British books as contraband.

Dickens found himself in an awkward spot, torn between his financial interests and his fame. Though he did not earn royalties from his American sales, the inexpensive prices helped circulate his books and serials more widely, increasing his popularity.

When Dickens travelled to America for the first time in 1841, he crowed in a subsequent letter that “there never was a king or Emperor upon the Earth, so cheered, and followed by crowds.” He relished this adulation, which exceeded what he enjoyed back home. He also felt a natural kinship with America's ideals of equality, democracy and liberalism. His own rags-to-riches story was embraced by the country's public and press.

Still, he used his first visit to deliver speeches calling for an international copyright. Dickens expected right-thinking Americans to join him in the fight. But the country was going through an economic crunch, making even high-minded demands for more money unappealing. His tub-thumping especially irked American newspapers, which relied on free British content to fill their pages. Editors stoked public antipathy, spinning Dickens's proposal as unseemly, a greedy demand for more profit. They claimed he was a mercenary, a “hired agent” of British interests. In the New York Evening Tattler, Walt Whitman ran a harsh letter about America forged to look like it had come from Dickens himself (headline: "Boz's Opinions of Us").

Upon returning home, Dickens published a critical book about his travels. "American Notes" was a dry account of divergent aspects of American life, but harsh on slavery and outraged by the “abject state” of the press. One New York newspaper published extracts of the book to sour local fans. About the book, the New World newspaper warned readers: “It will ruin Mr Dickens's personal popularity altogether with us.”

Dickens soon began a new novel, "Martin Chuzzlewit". He used this story to have his revenge on American papers, which had already begun running the serial without compensating him. Irked by the American response to "Notes", Dickens began toying with the unfurling plot of this family melodrama. In this story about a young lad who tries to make his way in the world, the titular boy seeks his fortune in America. The ensuing misadventures lambaste American manners and customs, as well as the very press that was (legally) pirating these chapters. The battle with America had just managed to shape a Dickens novel.

"Martin Chuzzlewit" sold rather poorly for a Dickens novel in England, perhaps owing to its use as a grudge platform. Though Dickens ceased advocating for a change in copyright law, he refused to negotiate with American publishers for advance sheets of his novels. (Given the lack of copyright, the value of publishing a British book in America was in printing it first. British authors would grudgingly accept small fees to provide advance sheets.)...."
 
So what are you guys going to do in order to fix your economy? Specifically the debt and the deficit.

We are going to reneg on the social support promises that have been made. What is ironic is that you, a Chinese apologist, chastise us for being too socialist. The only reason your system even has a chance of working is the violent repression of your people by your State. Eventually your people will overthrow that yoke and you will go through the same cycles of selfish behavior and comeuppance that we are going through and that Europe is going through, ahead of us. A socialist system has never worked for the long haul. And it will not work for China either.
 
In the 19th century publishing battles raged between Britain and the United States. A loophole in American copyright law enabled publishers to reprint British books at will. Until 1891, the intellectual property of non-citizens was up for grabs.


NON-CITIZENS! This was corrected over 100 years ago! Is China a baby civilization???? I thought China was the MASTER Civilization. Why is intellectual property not protected today??? If China is such an ancient culture shouldn't it have accomplished this by now?
 
We are going to reneg on the social support promises that have been made. What is ironic is that you, a Chinese apologist, chastise us for being too socialist. The only reason your system even has a chance of working is the violent repression of your people by your State. Eventually your people will overthrow that yoke and you will go through the same cycles of selfish behavior and comeuppance that we are going through and that Europe is going through, ahead of us. A socialist system has never worked for the long haul. And it will not work for China either.

Yes you have become Socialist, and we have become State Capitalist.

(That's the official description of China's market economy by "the Economist").

Funny how the world works. :azn:
 
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