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China's piracy hurting its own industries

What happens when India pirates it?

The piracy rate in India is 70% compared to China at 80%. Not a big difference, so you can start by cleaning your own house first.

It's actually 69% India and 89% in china ( depending on whose stats). But unlike you, I won't make excuses for Indians. they need to get it down drastically too. But again what does the article have to do with being anti - china where it clearly states that is detrimental to even your own software companies? How did you think to equate that to people being fed in India?
 
It's actually 69% India and 89% in china ( depending on whose stats). But unlike you, I won't make excuses for Indians. they need to get it down drastically too. But again what does the article have to do with being anti - china where it clearly states that is detrimental to even your own software companies? How did you think to equate that to people being fed in India?

Because anybody who has seen the China defence section has seen that your sole purpose here is to post as many anti-China threads as humanly possible.

And no I haven't made any excuses for piracy, what I said was that it should be clamped down on.

But continue hypocritically whining about starving children in China if you want, when you clearly know that the vast majority of those live in India.
 
You... as an Indian, are lecturing US about starving children? When you very well know where the vast majority of those live?

Not a very good effort I'm afraid.
Look- you brought in people being fed blah blah - and I simply added your own stats. The whole " Indians don't feed their people" meme was from you , not me.
 
Look- you brought in people being fed blah blah - and I simply added your own stats. The whole " Indians don't feed their people" meme was from you , not me.

I was making a point that economic indicators are more important than copyright infringement, when it comes to the average person.

It was you who hypocritically chose to attack China on starving children, despite you knowing full-well where exactly this problem is the most significant.
 
Because anybody who has seen the China defence section has seen that your sole purpose here is to post as many anti-China threads as humanly possible.

And no I haven't made any excuses for piracy, what I said was that it should be clamped down on.

But continue hypocritically whining about starving children in China if you want, when you clearly know that the vast majority of those live in India.

the article I posted had zero to do who is feeding whom. It had to do with piracy now affecting your own country. To a point- if you had read the article, your president also trying to make it an issue. but you had to bring this you guys don't feed your blah blah into it.

The Chinese ' defense ' forum is full of anti US news. So what's wrong if I as an American, post " not all rosy in china" news?

Just like to the noble prize issue, are to trying to bully by saying, yes we will post stuff anti you BUT don't you dare reciprocate?
 
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I was making a point that economic indicators are more important than copyright infringement, when it comes to the average person.

It was you who hypocritically chose to attack China on starving children, despite you knowing full-well where exactly this problem is the most significant.

Feeding your own people is more important than copyright infringement

This is not the first time you have said this and you know that. even others in your part of the forum and you have taken plenty of shots at India's starvation rates - when confronted with any news that is not Pro China. And now you're trying to act like :angel:

I'll it be... you have it champ.
 
I'll it be... you have it champ.

You can keep hypocritically whining about starving children if you like, but I have no interest in your flaming.

Zai jian. :coffee:
 
yes, it's hurting us so bad that our software companies are beating every US one except microsoft and google in market capitalization and profit margins. it hurts so good, no pain no gain.
 
http://rfrost.people.si.umich.edu/c...llecProp/Indian_Pharm_%5Bnon-]patents.pdf

"December 1, 2000
MEDICINE MERCHANTS / Pirated Pills
Selling Cheap 'Generic' Drugs, India's
Copycats Irk Industry

By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.

BOMBAY — To anyone else, the room looks like the unprepossessing office of a college science teacher. But to the multinational pharmaceutical giants, it is the lair of a pirate king.

Grinning proudly, he brandishes his trustiest weapon, the scribbled notebooks he has kept since his days as a chemistry student at Cambridge in the 1950's. Page upon page is filled with dainty hand-sketched lattices representing carbon rings: new molecules being tested in the West. They are the blueprints for plunder that the pirate has gleaned from his magazine subscriptions; his budget for pharmaceutical and medical journals is $150,000 a year.

And just downstairs in the conference room is his treasure hoard, glittering with the pinks and greens of tiny pills, the sheen of gelatin capsules, the sharp glint of injection ampuls. In the room's glass cabinets are the 400 drugs made by his company, Cipla Ltd. They include Erecto, the company's knockoff of Viagra; Nuzac, its knockoff of Prozac; Forcan, its knockoff of the antifungal drug Diflucan; Lomac, its knockoff of the ulcer drug Prilosec; Amlopres, its knockoff of the hypertension drug Norvasc.

Some of these compounds make $1 billion or more a year for the Western companies that hold the patents on them. But not here. They are sold by Cipla at one- twentieth to one-fiftieth of the price paid in the United States.

And they are all perfectly legal, at least under Indian law.

"We did a little study," Yusuf K. Hamied, Cipla's managing director and India's most outspoken buccaneer, said during a tour of his headquarters. "Our turnover is $200 million. If we sold our products at the American-originator prices, our turnover would be $4 billion."

To pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer, Glaxo Wellcome and Aventis, which invest billions of dollars in research, Dr. Hamied embodies the enemy.

Under Indian law, only manufacturing processes, not the products themselves, are covered by patents. So Indian drug companies can boldly reverse-engineer best-selling drugs and sell copies cheaply. "I make every Pfizer product," Mr. Hamied boasted.

The Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or PhRMA, which represents the United States industry, says Indian patent law is "designed to punish importers of patented technology into India and to coerce local production."

It calls India's licensing practices "infamous" and says the experience of some American drug makers "has been so negative that most companies have abandoned efforts to obtain or enforce patents in India."

Exactly how much money Western pharmaceutical manufacturers lose in India and other countries like Brazil, Argentina, Thailand, Egypt and China that fly the Jolly Roger of drug piracy is in dispute. Annual world sales of drugs amount to about $400 billion, and some executives claim that a tenth of that, $40 billion, is lost.

But it is also true that Western drug companies would sell very little in the developing world at the prices they charge Americans and Europeans. Harvey E. Bale Jr., director general of the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Associations, a Geneva-based industry trade group, put the total of lost sales at about $3 billion.

A PhRMA study released in February found that losses in India were $69 million a year, but it covered just 20 common knockoff drugs. Mr. Bale said the total loss figure for India was probably $100 million a year.

Semantics and Ethics

Iain Cockburn, a professor of management at Boston University who has studied the issue, says there are serious problems with pirates, because some make weak or even toxic counterfeits. Also, some powerful compounds, anti-AIDS drugs for example, must be taken on
a rigorous schedule under careful monitoring, yet knockoff drugs may be shipped to impoverished countries where a steady supply and satisfactory medical supervision cannot be assured.

But apart from those concerns, he said, Western drug companies "just don't like the idea that their proprietary rights can be got around via the back door."

"That's the bottom line," Professor Cockburn continued. "It's a threat to the business model."

(continues)..."
 
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yes, it's hurting us so bad that our software companies are beating every US one except microsoft and google in market capitalization and profit margins. it hurts so good, no pain no gain.

You just post any BS in your role as shanghai Bob , eh?

Check out the TOP 100 :
Global Software Top 100 - Edition 2010 - The World's Largest Software Companies - Software Top 100
you maybe no1 in stealing software and copying it..

Shanghai Bob- say that to your president who is quoted in there and agrees with my sentiment in that article . Say that to your software companies who are complaining in the very same article.

You guys are weird , you are 1/3 of the US GDP, just got to be on economic stage as a serious power and boy you are arrogant. Put the pom poms down and read the article.
 
You guys are weird , you are 1/3 of the US GDP, just got to be on economic stage as a serious power and boy you are arrogant. Put the pom poms down and read the article.

Yes, and projected to overtake the US economy within slightly more than a decade. :azn:

Even today, Obama is begging for China to keep buying US treasury bonds, and to loan money to them to cover US debt. Money which they then use, to increase their trade deficit to us.

But India is only the 11th economy, far behind even Brazil. With more poor people in India than even in the Africa, I think it's even more absurd that Indians keep claiming they will be a superpower.

China is so far ahead of India (2nd largest economy) yet Chinese leaders have never once claimed that China will be a superpower. It's the Western media that keeps claiming that, not China.

So India is the arrogant one. How can you possibly claim you guys will be a superpower when you're so far behind even Brazil, and you've got more people in poverty than even the continent of Africa?
 
Kindly stop your anti-China propaganda and read the facts.

"China is the largest software market in Asia/Pacific"

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Xiamen, China

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"Xiamen Software Park, the Silicon Valley in Haixi Zone"

China's software industry revenue up 29.1% in H1

"China's software industry revenue up 29.1% in H1
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2010-07-27 10:04

BEIJING - Revenue in China's software industry rose by 29.1 percent year on year to 604.8 billion yuan ($89.34 billion) in the first half of 2010, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) said Monday.

The speed of the growth was 6.4 percentage points higher than the same period last year, said a statement on the MIIT website.

Further, export volume of software grew by 22.7 percent to $10.33 billion in the first six months, but the speed of the growth was 6.4 percentage points lower than the average level of the industry, the statement said.

Furthermore, outsourcing services provided by the country's software industry rose by 38.8 percent to $1.23 billion, though the growth speed was 25.7 percentage points lower than the previous year.

However, experts note that the development of China's software industry remains unbalanced. The eastern regions finished 529.3 billion yuan of software business revenue, about 87.5 percent of the country's total business volume."

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"Xiamen Software Park is divided into four functional areas: Information Technology Technical Support Area, ACG Area, Software R&D and IC Design Area and Administrative Area."

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"The entire park caters to 40,000 employees."

Gartner says China will be World's Fastest Growing Enterprise Software Market Through 2013

"Gartner says China will be World's Fastest Growing Enterprise Software Market Through 2013

Manufacturing, Financial Services, Telecommunications and Government Remain Top Spending Sectors

Hong Kong, SAR China, March 18, 2010 —  China’s enterprise software market is forecast to maintain its strong performance, with an estimated compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 14.6 per cent from 2008 to 2013 – the highest growth rate in the world, according to Gartner, Inc. Despite current global conditions, the software market in China is expected to rebound to an annual growth rate of 14.8 per cent in 2010. Gartner analysts said that the increasing globalization of the Chinese economy is leading to a growing need for modern software with the latest features and improved functionality.
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According to Gartner's latest forecast[1], in 2010 China will for the first time surpass US$6 billion in [enterprise] software revenue in 2010. China is the largest software market in Asia/Pacific, and the country is forecast to account for 27 per cent share of the region’s revenue in 2010, the equivalent to 2.7 per cent of the total worldwide software market share. By 2013, China’s share of the software market in Asia/Pacific is expected to reach 30 per cent, representing US$9.4 billion in revenue or 3.3 per cent of total worldwide software market revenue. Compared with mature countries in the Asia/Pacific region such as Australia (with 21 per cent share of regional spending in 2010), the software market in China is still relatively young and evolving.

The top four major vertical industries in terms of software spending are manufacturing, financial services, communications and government. Gartner estimates that in total these industries account for 60 per cent of total [enterprise] software spending in China."
 
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