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China's one-child policy has prevented almost half a billion births but has turned into a demographic time bomb as the population ages, storing up huge economic and social problems for the country.

As the world's population hits the seven billion mark, straining the earth's resources, China can claim to have curbed its birth rate to around 1.5 children per woman since the policy was introduced in 1979.

Without the birth limits, which no other country applies as rigorously or on such a scale, the world's most populous nation would have hundreds of millions more mouths to feed than the 1.34 billion it has now.

But from modern cities to remote villages, its implementation has involved abuses from mass sterilisation to abortions as late as eight months into the pregnancy. Baby girls have also been abandoned and killed.

Couples who defy the rule can face fines amounting to several years' salary, have access to social services cut and even go to prison. Their so-called "black children" have no legal status in China.

Ethnic minorities and farmers whose first child is a girl are exempt from the restriction and in some areas, couples where both parents are only children are also allowed to have a second baby.

But three decades on, demographers, sociologists and economists are warning of a looming crisis as China becomes the only developing country in the world to face growing old before it grows rich.

China's crisis is approaching "incomparably faster" than in Europe, where fertility has fallen very gradually over the last century, Paris-based demographer Christophe Guilmoto told AFP.

In the next five years the number of people in China over 60 will jump from 178 million to 221 million -- 13.3 percent to 16 percent of the population -- according to the People's Daily Online

By 2050, a quarter of China's population will be over 65, the Commission for Population and Family Planning said, compared to just nine percent today.

Already, half of China's over-60s live alone, a situation unthinkable before, when four generations would live under one roof.

The upside-down pyramid -- whereby a single child shoulders responsibility for two parents and four grandparents -- is a major headache for the government, particularly as unemployment rises, forcing more and more people to migrate to cities for work.

Liang Zhongtang, a demographer involved in family planning, said the pressure would grow as Chinese born between 1962 and 1972 retire.

"Nearly 30 million babies were born each year during that period, compared to six or seven million each year right now, you can imagine how big the burden on the government will be," he said.

China already lacks medical facilities for the elderly, retirement homes and qualified health care workers. The government plans to double the number of beds in specialised institutions to six million by 2015, but that only covers the existing shortfall.

China has barely begun to put in place a universal social security and retirement system, and over two-thirds of the rural population does not have a pension.

So, should China end, or at least relax its one-child rule?

"Of course!" said He Yafu, a Chinese demographer. "The reproductive right is a human right, whether and how many children a couple want to have has nothing to do with the government.

"Even if China relaxes the one-child policy, I believe there won't be many couples wanting too many children", He told AFP, as middle-class couples around the world opt increasingly for smaller families.

Guilmoto is hopeful that fertility might rise in the future, even if "this is very uncertain when we look at the most advanced regions where it comes close to one child per woman".

Women are increasingly deciding against having children at all, opting instead to pursue careers and enjoy their growing material wealth.

But the southern province of Guangdong -- the engine of China's economy with its 104 million residents -- this month decided against relaxing the policy.

China's most populous province ruled there would be "no major adjustments" to the policy in the next five years, said Zhang Feng, head of the Population and Family Planning Commission

China's one-child rule turns into a time bomb - Yahoo! News
 
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But from modern cities to remote villages, its implementation has involved abuses from mass sterilisation to abortions as late as eight months into the pregnancy. Baby girls have also been abandoned and killed.

Couples who defy the rule can face fines amounting to several years' salary, have access to social services cut and even go to prison. Their so-called "black children" have no legal status in China

Official govt stance to have laws in place that force people to kill babies in large numbers, is despicable. How you even imagine doing something like that is beyond me…

I’m pro choice , but this is not about choice. You are putting laws in place that push people to kill babies into even the 8 month of a pregnancy stage
 
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They still have so many people that it would take generations for the bomb to actually even start ticking. While this is there, one thing I find silly in this article is China's comparison with Europe. Europe and North America are far far older and other than non-white minorities, face a looming demographic recession. This is because Europe and America(north) have been receding since the 60s and 70s while China has only started to show slight symptoms now.
 
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China's one-child policy has prevented almost half a billion births but has turned into a demographic time bomb as the population ages, storing up huge economic and social problems for the country.

As the world's population hits the seven billion mark, straining the earth's resources, China can claim to have curbed its birth rate to around 1.5 children per woman since the policy was introduced in 1979.

Without the birth limits, which no other country applies as rigorously or on such a scale, the world's most populous nation would have hundreds of millions more mouths to feed than the 1.34 billion it has now.

But from modern cities to remote villages, its implementation has involved abuses from mass sterilisation to abortions as late as eight months into the pregnancy. Baby girls have also been abandoned and killed.

Couples who defy the rule can face fines amounting to several years' salary, have access to social services cut and even go to prison. Their so-called "black children" have no legal status in China.

Ethnic minorities and farmers whose first child is a girl are exempt from the restriction and in some areas, couples where both parents are only children are also allowed to have a second baby.

But three decades on, demographers, sociologists and economists are warning of a looming crisis as China becomes the only developing country in the world to face growing old before it grows rich.

China's crisis is approaching "incomparably faster" than in Europe, where fertility has fallen very gradually over the last century, Paris-based demographer Christophe Guilmoto told AFP.

In the next five years the number of people in China over 60 will jump from 178 million to 221 million -- 13.3 percent to 16 percent of the population -- according to the People's Daily Online

By 2050, a quarter of China's population will be over 65, the Commission for Population and Family Planning said, compared to just nine percent today.

Already, half of China's over-60s live alone, a situation unthinkable before, when four generations would live under one roof.

The upside-down pyramid -- whereby a single child shoulders responsibility for two parents and four grandparents -- is a major headache for the government, particularly as unemployment rises, forcing more and more people to migrate to cities for work.

Liang Zhongtang, a demographer involved in family planning, said the pressure would grow as Chinese born between 1962 and 1972 retire.

"Nearly 30 million babies were born each year during that period, compared to six or seven million each year right now, you can imagine how big the burden on the government will be," he said.

China already lacks medical facilities for the elderly, retirement homes and qualified health care workers. The government plans to double the number of beds in specialised institutions to six million by 2015, but that only covers the existing shortfall.

China has barely begun to put in place a universal social security and retirement system, and over two-thirds of the rural population does not have a pension.

So, should China end, or at least relax its one-child rule?

"Of course!" said He Yafu, a Chinese demographer. "The reproductive right is a human right, whether and how many children a couple want to have has nothing to do with the government.

"Even if China relaxes the one-child policy, I believe there won't be many couples wanting too many children", He told AFP, as middle-class couples around the world opt increasingly for smaller families.

Guilmoto is hopeful that fertility might rise in the future, even if "this is very uncertain when we look at the most advanced regions where it comes close to one child per woman".

Women are increasingly deciding against having children at all, opting instead to pursue careers and enjoy their growing material wealth.

But the southern province of Guangdong -- the engine of China's economy with its 104 million residents -- this month decided against relaxing the policy.

China's most populous province ruled there would be "no major adjustments" to the policy in the next five years, said Zhang Feng, head of the Population and Family Planning Commission

China's one-child rule turns into a time bomb - Yahoo! News
one soldier have lost lives same a broken family, I don't know why they are bellicose.
 
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The one child policy did buy them time to tackle the poverty problem. This and education.
 
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The one child policy did buy them time to tackle the poverty problem. This and education.

Its a difference between educational policy of the masses and actually laws on books that push people to kill babies. Give one child family a tax break_ I get it . but "Couples who defy the rule can face fines amounting to several years' salary, have access to social services cut and even go to prison"?
 
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Actually... China has a lower dependency ratio than India does, and this is likely to continue for a very long time.

dependency.png


China and India, 2025 | RAND Report

And this is under the assumption that the Chinese government is stupid enough to keep the one-child policy in its current form for several more decades.

When in fact they are modifying the one-child policy even now... several decades before it is predicted to have such effects.
 
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A typical communist tyranical measure. No stops there, just go full throttle.

Even if it is a hare brained idea like the "great leap", "cultural revolution" or making iron in the backyard.

---------- Post added at 11:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:43 PM ----------

CD, you repeated the same post!

It had already been answered here.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/136949-why-india-has-ally-us-23.html#post2226500

repeating just for you! ;)

A dependency ratio measures the number of people either too young or too old to work, compared to the number of people within working age.

That explains it.

Again blame it on the one child policy. ;)

Not enough young kids and so lower dependency ratio. But dooms the future, doesn't it?

As this data shows, the old age dependency ratio is already higher in China and increasing fast and furious.

chinaaged2.jpg
 
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Its a difference between educational policy of the masses and actually laws on books that push people to kill babies. Give one child family a tax break_ I get it . but "Couples who defy the rule can face fines amounting to several years' salary, have access to social services cut and even go to prison"?
Things like tax breaks only work if you are not so dirt poor and actually pay tax. Dire situations sometimes calls for dire measures.
Problem with rules like the one child policy is that we tend to project these rules on our own situation and time. Of course just looking at the name of such a rule and not seeing the nuances doesn't help either.
 
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A typical communist tyranical measure. No stops there, just go full throttle.

Even if it is a hare brained idea like the "great leap", "cultural revolution" or making iron in the backyard.

CD, you repeated the same post!

It had already been answered here.

So basically, your much boasted about "demographic advantage" will only kick in after 20 years. :lol: And that is assuming no changes in the one-child policy in that time, which is frankly laughable.

China and India had the same GDP in 1990, but look at today. Now our economy is four times bigger, and growing faster.

Also, the place with the youngest average age is sub-Saharan Africa. The places with the highest average age are Europe and Japan. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it.
 
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So basically, your much boasted about "demographic advantage" will only kick in after 20 years. :lol: And that is assuming no changes in the one-child policy in that time, which is frankly laughable.

No indications of that so far. I have full faith in the Chinese babus. ;)

China and India had the same GDP in 1990, but look at today. Now our economy is four times bigger, and growing faster.

You forgot this!

Great power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The place with the youngest average age is Africa. The places with the highest average age are Europe and Japan. Figure it out. :azn:

China will be the first country to grow old before it grows rich. Almost a cliche now. ;)
 
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  Two remarks suffice for my answer to this threads


" When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.

  When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights."



FROM 《What Do You Really Want from Us?》

When we were the sick man of Asia, we were called the yellow peril.

  When we are billed to be the next superpower, we are called the threat.

  When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.

  When we embrace free trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs.

  When we were falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.

  When we tried to put the broken pieces back together again,

  free Tibet you screamed, It was an invasion!

  When tried communism, you hated us for being communist.

  When we embrace capitalism, you hate us for being capitalist.

  When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.

  When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights.

  When we were poor, you thought we were dogs.

  When we loan you cash, you blame us for your national debts.

  When we build our industries, you call us polluters.

  When we sell you goods, you blame us for global warming.

  When we buy oil, you call it exploitation and genocide.

  When you go to war for oil, you call it liberation.

  When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you demanded rules of law.

  When we uphold law and order against violence, you call it violating human rights.

  When we were silent, you said you wanted us to have free speech.

  When we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashed-xenophobes.

  “Why do you hate us so much﹖”we asked.

  “No,” you answered, “we don't hate you.”

  We don't hate you either, but, do you understand us?

  “Of course we do, ”you said, “We have AFP, CNN and BBC's ……”

  What do you really want from us?

  Think hard first, then answer, Because you only get so many chances.

  Enough is enough, enough hypocrisy for this one world.

  We want one world, one dream, and peace on earth.

  This big blue earth is big enough for all of us.
 
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^^ I like that poem. Truly heart rending.

Alas, many of your arrogant chest thumpers don't believe in live and let live.
 
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  Two remarks suffice for my answer to this threads


" When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.

  When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights."



FROM 《What Do You Really Want from Us?》

When we were the sick man of Asia, we were called the yellow peril.

  When we are billed to be the next superpower, we are called the threat.

  When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.

  When we embrace free trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs.

  When we were falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.

  When we tried to put the broken pieces back together again,

  free Tibet you screamed, It was an invasion!

  When tried communism, you hated us for being communist.

  When we embrace capitalism, you hate us for being capitalist.

  When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.

  When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights.

  When we were poor, you thought we were dogs.

  When we loan you cash, you blame us for your national debts.

  When we build our industries, you call us polluters.

  When we sell you goods, you blame us for global warming.

  When we buy oil, you call it exploitation and genocide.

  When you go to war for oil, you call it liberation.

  When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you demanded rules of law.

  When we uphold law and order against violence, you call it violating human rights.

  When we were silent, you said you wanted us to have free speech.

  When we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashed-xenophobes.

  “Why do you hate us so much﹖”we asked.

  “No,” you answered, “we don't hate you.”

  We don't hate you either, but, do you understand us?

  “Of course we do, ”you said, “We have AFP, CNN and BBC's ……”

  What do you really want from us?

  Think hard first, then answer, Because you only get so many chances.

  Enough is enough, enough hypocrisy for this one world.

  We want one world, one dream, and peace on earth.

  This big blue earth is big enough for all of us.

huh...........good poem
 
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