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China's Nuclear Strike Force

^^^ My bad, so it falls under second artillery rather than general PLA units.

5000km is quite long. They may serve to move nuclear missiles discreetly from place to place.

Actually someone mentioned that US and russia don't have SRBM because of trust issues with local commanding officers, well by moving nuclear assets mainly in tunnels they may have greater higher level control over it as opposed to movement on open ground.

So regional tunnels for mobilizing, while the missiles only pop out to fire only when the actual engagement order is given.

just my views
 
China's state-run television CCTV-7 had broadcast a series of photographs on the Julang 2 SLBM launch in May 2009. Here is the complete set of sequential images.

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The last few pictures somehow looked like the UFO sighted recently over a Chinese airport.
 
^^^ My bad, so it falls under second artillery rather than general PLA units.

5000km is quite long. They may serve to move nuclear missiles discreetly from place to place.

Actually someone mentioned that US and russia don't have SRBM because of trust issues with local commanding officers, well by moving nuclear assets mainly in tunnels they may have greater higher level control over it as opposed to movement on open ground.

So regional tunnels for mobilizing, while the missiles only pop out to fire only when the actual engagement order is given.

just my views

5000 km of underground tunnel? Where do you think the budget came from in the government's official statistics -- defence or "infrastructure" constructions? :D
 
5000 km of underground tunnel? Where do you think the budget came from in the government's official statistics -- defence or "infrastructure" constructions? :D

The ENTIRE underground city was built for FREE by volunteers

Do not estimate the power of communism and communism's ability to create miracles

Underground City (Beijing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The tunnels were built by more than 300,000 local citizens, including school children, and were mostly dug by hand.[2] Centuries-old city walls, towers and gates, including the old city gates of Xizhimen, Fuchengmen, and Chongwenmen were destroyed to supply construction materials for the complex.
 
The ENTIRE underground city was built for FREE by volunteers

Do not estimate the power of communism and communism's ability to create miracles

Underground City (Beijing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The tunnels were built by more than 300,000 local citizens, including school children, and were mostly dug by hand.[2] Centuries-old city walls, towers and gates, including the old city gates of Xizhimen, Fuchengmen, and Chongwenmen were destroyed to supply construction materials for the complex.

it is not 5000 kms. it is mentioned as 85 sq km
 
it is not 5000 kms. it is mentioned as 85 sq km

But trust the Chinese not to be content with just one Great Wall and to quietly build another one, this time below the ground. Why? The clue is that the underground tunnels (that is what they amount to) are being constructed by the Second Artillery Corps (SAC) of the People’s Liberation Army. The SAC are China’s strategic missile forces that are building their huge defences in the mountainous Hebei province of northern China. Apparently the underground instillations stretch for almost 5,000 kilometres, or about 3,100 miles!
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Imagine if they upgraded parts of the tunnel with high speed train travelling at 1000 Km/h when breakthrough with the technology is achieved.

Infact the 5000 km tunnel I believe is not continuous but more of networks at different parts of china. So there is no reason to believe that once the 1000km/h highspeed rail is completed why they won't built extensions between these networks since the rail is likely to be underground anyway.




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The last few pictures somehow looked like the UFO sighted recently over a Chinese airport.

It's unlikely that the PLA will test fire its SLBM toward china mainland.
 
Imagine if they upgraded parts of the tunnel with high speed train travelling at 1000 Km/h when breakthrough with the technology is achieved.

Infact the 5000 km tunnel I believe is not continuous but more of networks at different parts of china. So there is no reason to believe that once the 1000km/h highspeed rail is completed why they won't built extensions between these networks since the rail is likely to be underground anyway.




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It's unlikely that the PLA will test fire its SLBM toward china mainland.

1. i hear china is working on vacuum trains, underground in tunnels might be a good application of it?

2. i believe this latest test was confirm by us sources to have been launched from the sea towards western china(where it landed) though not at maximum range.
 
1. i hear china is working on vacuum trains, underground in tunnels might be a good application of it?

Yep that's the one i'm referring to.

2. i believe this latest test was confirm by us sources to have been launched from the sea towards western china(where it landed) though not at maximum range.

Make sense actually, the yellow sea has US naval carrier presence and is quite tense already so probably not a good idea to launch it the other way.
 
There are tunnels known as air raid shelters and there are tunnels used by PLAAF, and there are top secret tunnels used by Second Artillery.

The tunnels built by free labors are basically air raid shelters, every major cities have a network of such tunnels.

The locations of PLAAF and Second Artillery tunnels are secret and are built by the army and Second Artillery engineers. CCTV 7 showed some of these tunnel pictures but they would not leak the locations. But we can guess where they are since tunnels have to be built in rocky mountain to withstand the impact of nuclear bombs and missiles.

Remember the Shichuan earthqaukes? Second Artillery send a lot of their engineers for the rescure and repair works. There are alot of tunnels hiding in Shichuan mountains. Why would Second Artillery maintain such a large scale of engineering personnel and equipment? Becaue they have to keep on digging, and fortifying the tunnels. And also in war time, a lot of tunnels will be damaged and need to repair quickly.

I also know a daughter of a retired PLAAF pilot who described to me an airforce tunnel hiding in a mountain in Hubei province. I can't give more details because they can only give very brief description.
 
There are tunnels known as air raid shelters and there are tunnels used by PLAAF, and there are top secret tunnels used by Second Artillery.

The tunnels built by free labors are basically air raid shelters, every major cities have a network of such tunnels.

The locations of PLAAF and Second Artillery tunnels are secret and are built by the army and Second Artillery engineers. CCTV 7 showed some of these tunnel pictures but they would not leak the locations. But we can guess where they are since tunnels have to be built in rocky mountain to withstand the impact of nuclear bombs and missiles.

Remember the Shichuan earthqaukes? Second Artillery send a lot of their engineers for the rescure and repair works. There are alot of tunnels hiding in Shichuan mountains. Why would Second Artillery maintain such a large scale of engineering personnel and equipment? Becaue they have to keep on digging, and fortifying the tunnels. And also in war time, a lot of tunnels will be damaged and need to repair quickly.

I also know a daughter of a retired PLAAF pilot who described to me an airforce tunnel hiding in a mountain in Hubei province. I can't give more details because they can only give very brief description.

China also has many miles of ancient tunnels built during the dynasties to covertly move troops, maybe someday China will run out of room underground.
 
China Needs Weapons to Deter Nuclear Attack, Military Paper Says - WSJ.com

"Beijing Defends Buildup of Its Nuclear Arsenal
APRIL 22, 2010, 9:42 P.M. ET
By GORDON FAIRCLOUGH

SHANGHAI—China needs weapons capable of retaliating against any nuclear attack on the country, according to a commentary published Thursday in the nation's main military newspaper that sought to explain the strategic thinking behind Beijing's push to modernize its atomic arsenal.

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Nuclear-capable missiles are displayed at a massive parade to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China on October 1, 2009 in Beijing. (Getty Images)

The commentary in the official Liberation Army Daily also reiterated China's longstanding stated policy that it "will never be the first to use nuclear weapons at any time and under any circumstances."

Written by a retired general, the piece follows last week's international nuclear-security summit in Washington and comes amid questions in the U.S., Japan and elsewhere about the intent behind China's efforts to strengthen its nuclear forces.

In recent years, China has been expanding its arsenal of ballistic missiles and investing in weapons that are more mobile and sophisticated. The country has also developed a new generation of submarines capable of launching nuclear weapons.

Even so, China's atomic arsenal—with fewer than 100 long-range missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads, according to the Pentagon's 2009 estimate of Chinese military power—remains far smaller than those of the U.S. or Russia. Washington and Moscow recently agreed to limit their deployed nuclear warheads to 1,550 each. However, opponents of arms reductions by the U.S. have argued that such cuts could make it easier for China to catch up in terms of nuclear capability.

Officials in the U.S. and elsewhere have called on Beijing to better explain the motives behind the Chinese government's increased spending on both nuclear and conventional forces.

The commentary's author, Xu Guangyu, who now works for the state-run China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, said in an interview Thursday that he was responding to complaints from abroad that China's nuclear intentions are "not transparent." Gen. Xu said he wanted to dispel "misunderstandings" and challenge those who "promote a China-threat theory by exaggerating China's nuclear capabilities."

China has developed solid fuel-powered rockets that can be moved by truck, making them easier to launch and harder for foreign militaries to track than the liquid -fueled, silo-based missiles that previously had been the mainstay of China's nuclear force. The country also appears intent on deploying nuclear-armed submarines.

The point of such steps, Gen. Xu wrote, is "to really possess, and to convince the other side that it faces an intolerable second-strike nuclear capability, thereby deterring an enemy from using nuclear weapons against us." Other states, he said, "must grasp, without the least ambiguity, that we possess a deterrent." He also stressed that China "adheres to a defensive nuclear strategy."

In its annual report on the Chinese military last year, the U.S. Defense Department said China has developed a "more survivable and flexible strategic nuclear force" that "would be able to inflict significant damage on most large American cities." But the report concluded that: "There is no evidence that China's doctrine of 'no first use' has changed."

—Gao Sen in Beijing contributed to this article.

Write to Gordon Fairclough at gordon.fairclough@wsj.com"
 
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Lying at the north foot of Taibai Mountain (the peak of Qinling Mountain), Taibai Mountain National Forest Park, is located in Meixian County, Shaanxi Province. Covering an area of 7,287 acres, 94.3% of which is covered with forest, it contains 10 scenic districts and over 180 attractions. Since its height above the sea level varies from 0.39 miles to 2.18 miles, Taibai Mountain National Forest Park is the highest national forest park of China. It was officially established in 1991 and has been formally open to the public since July, 1992.

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Taibai Mountain National Forest Park is a fantastic place for visitors to find relaxation and refreshment. With respect to its climate, it is better to travel here in July and August, but do not forget to bring a cotton coat and rain gear. Traveling by ropeway (with a length of 0.68 mile) gives visitors the chance to appreciate the marvelous spectacle of glacier relics and sea of clouds.

Reports shine light on nuclear weapons vigilance

"Reports shine light on nuclear weapons vigilance
By WALTER PINCUS
Tuesday, March 16, 2010

While public attention is focused on a new arms-control treaty between Russia and the United States, the slow, dull work of keeping nuclear warheads and weapons-grade uranium and plutonium protected from terrorists goes on almost unnoticed.

But two new reports have shed light on the subject. A fascinating study on China's system of securing its nuclear weapons was published last week. Two days earlier, an update on the multiyear U.S. effort to secure Russian nuclear sites, and those of other countries, was presented to the House Appropriations subcommittee on energy and water, which has jurisdiction over funding for the U.S. nuclear weapons complex.

Mark A. Stokes's study of Beijing's nuclear weapons for the Project 2049 Institute, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization focused on Asia, describes where the Chinese are storing their warheads and how they are protecting them. Stokes, who served 20 years in the Air Force, also worked in the Defense Department's office of international security affairs, where he handled China, Taiwan and Mongolia.

Stokes writes that "under its declaratory no-first-use policy, the PRC's [People's Republic of China's] nuclear deterrent has relied upon quantitative and geographic ambiguity," while the Chinese Communist Party's Central Military Commission "maintains strict control over China's operational nuclear warheads." In peacetime its warheads stock is managed "through a system that is separate and distinct" from the People's Liberation Army's Second Artillery missile bases. This includes warheads for use by the air force and the navy but separate from China's civilian-controlled fissile materials.

Stokes identifies an independent organization called 22 Base as the prime group "responsible for storing and managing most of the Second Artillery's warhead stockpile." The storage complex is in central China near Taibai Mountain, one of the highest peaks in the country. Tunnels have been dug deep into the mountain, and rail lines enable constant movement of nuclear weapons in and out of the 22 Base complex. "China's warhead and handling system is designed to survive a first strike and retain sufficient operational capability for retaliation," Stokes writes.

Stokes concludes that "22 Base's physical protection system appears to be founded upon more than 'guns, gates, and guards,' " which often mark the U.S. system. While a dedicated security battalion and a cavalry company patrol the 400-square-kilometer security zone, a technical support battalion works on safekeeping warhead components. The report points out, however, that China's warheads are "most vulnerable" during their constant transport between storage and launch sites -- the movement that Beijing counts on to make itself less vulnerable to a first strike."
 
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