China's New Stealth Bomber: H-X / H-20

[Deino]

Yes. You are absolutely right.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/6291433/china-teases-new-stealth-bomber-with-vid-trolling-us-rivals-super-bowl-advert/amp/
https://www-theweek-in.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.theweek.in/news/world/2020/05/04/china-could-unveil-stealth-bomber-in-november-report.amp.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16068067008999&amp_ct=1606806712513&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theweek.in%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F2020%2F05%2F04%2Fchina-could-unveil-stealth-bomber-in-november-report.html

Sorry, but we all know this was not the real prototype but simply a CG! How could anyone rate this a real image??

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Sorry, but we all know this was not the real prototype but simply a CG! How could anyone rate this a real image??

Is it a CG?

 

[Deino]

Is it a CG?

Yes for sure.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Well. Even Huitong is displaying in his blog as an image for H-20.

 

[Figaro]

Is it a CG?

Yes for sure.

It is an accurate CG most likely because it comes directly from AVIC ... we should expect the final H-20 to have a very similar profile.

 

[samsara]

China’s H-20 stealth bomber will give PLA ‘truly intercontinental’ strike capacity, says report

• Royal United Services Institute says the plane will allow China to extend its strike range far beyond its own shores
• Subsonic jet will mark a ‘major break’ with current capacity and could allow it to target US bases further afield

By Kristin Huang and Liu Zhen in Beijing | South China Morning Post
Published: 6:00am, 26 Nov, 2020

Artist’s impression of an H-20 stealth bomber. Photo: Weibo

China’s subsonic H-20 stealth bomber will give the country a “truly intercontinental” capacity expanding its reach far beyond the country’s seaboard, according to a report by a leading think tank.

The bomber is still under development but the Pentagon believes that when completed it will be able to target US overseas territories such as Guam, while other analysts believe its range will bring Hawaii within reach.

The report by the London-based Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) for Defence and Security Studies gave an overview of how Russia and China were developing their air forces, including next-generation planes and new weapons.

“Armed with nuclear and conventional stand-off missiles, the H-20 would represent a major break from previous PLAAF (PLA Air Force) doctrine and equipment development practice,” said the report released in late October.

It added that the PLA air force is currently configured as a regional force which is capable of penetrating the first island chain – a series of archipelagos in the Pacific stretching from the Kuril Islands, through Japan and on to the Philippines.

“The H-20, by contrast, would give China a truly intercontinental power-projection capability,” the report said.

Plans for the H-20 were announced by the PLA in 2016 and the subsonic bomber may be ready to enter service within five years.

Mainland media reports have said it will be able to deliver a payload of 45 tonnes, including nuclear weapons, and fire four stealth or hypersonic cruise missiles.

It is being developed as part of the PLA air force plans to expand its bomber operations, which form part of the broader programme to upgrade the armed forces.

In August the US defence department published a report that estimated its cruising distance. at 8,500km (5,280 miles), which would bring the US overseas territory of Guam well within range.

But other military experts have estimated the distance is more than 12,000km, which would mean Hawaii would be within striking range.

Song Zhongping, a former instructor with the PLA, said the H-20 had been designed to reach US territory as part of China’s nuclear triad, which also includes ground and sea-launched missiles.

“But the flywing design means it is unlikely to have aerial combat capability, therefore, stealth is more important,” he said.

Zhang Zhaozhong, from the National Defence University, said that stealth is the core capability for the H-20, as in modern warfare “flying bomb trucks” have been replaced by agile multi-purpose fighters, while improved air defence systems mean high-speed penetration attempts are unlikely to succeed.

“Thus stealth has been chosen and proven effective by both the American and Russian next-generation strategic bombers,” he said in a post on social media.

“Basically it is confirmed the next generation Chinese strategic bomber will use stealth, probably similar to the US B-21.”

In addition to the long-range H-20, the RUSI report also said China was also developing medium-range low observability bombers, which will improve the PLA’s strike capability in contested air space – in particular its ability to attack key US bases in Guam and Okinawa.

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Kristin Huang is a senior reporter for the China desk, and focuses on diplomacy and defence. She joined the Post in 2016, and previously reported for China Review News Agency. Kristin is interested in security in northeast Asia and China's growing military might.

Liu Zhen joined the Post in 2015 as a reporter on the China desk. She previously worked with Reuters in Beijing.

 

[juj06750]

China’s H-20 stealth bomber will give PLA ‘truly intercontinental’ strike capacity, says report

• Royal United Services Institute says the plane will allow China to extend its strike range far beyond its own shores
• Subsonic jet will mark a ‘major break’ with current capacity and could allow it to target US bases further afield

By Kristin Huang and Liu Zhen in Beijing | South China Morning Post
Published: 6:00am, 26 Nov, 2020

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Kristin Huang is a senior reporter for the China desk, and focuses on diplomacy and defence. She joined the Post in 2016, and previously reported for China Review News Agency. Kristin is interested in security in northeast Asia and China's growing military might.

Liu Zhen joined the Post in 2015 as a reporter on the China desk. She previously worked with Reuters in Beijing.

another Minnie Chan (?) from South China Morning Post (the famous anti-chinese media in hong kong)
they are asian female reporters without much knowledge of arms development;
I wish South China Morning Post employs expertise reporters

 

[Figaro]

Zhang Zhaozhong, from the National Defence University, said that stealth is the core capability for the H-20, as in modern warfare “flying bomb trucks” have been replaced by agile multi-purpose fighters, while improved air defence systems mean high-speed penetration attempts are unlikely to succeed.

Isn't this the same guy who said the US could not take Baghdad in 1000 years back in 2003? Not sure if his word is too credible here.

 

[samsara]

Isn't this the same guy who said the US could not take Baghdad in 1000 years back in 2003? Not sure if his word is too credible here.

It's up to you want to take his words or not. I take his words for this matter. Every one who reads seriously here (and in SDF too) know who's the background Zhang Zhaozhong. Some times he might not tell all the truth intentionally, which is understandable.

But what's your wonder indeed about a SUBSONIC STEALTH H-20?

If you have different opinion on H-20, just say it out. Do you think it will be SUPERSONIC? Or, non-stealth??

Btw I don't know the Baghdad thing, but it's too long already and not relevant at all here. And for such thing, whatever it was, has nothing to do with the present affairs. I am surprised that you raised such trivial and obsolete thing at ease for questioning the substance, or judging one's standing.

 

[Figaro]

It's up to you want to take his words or not. I take his words for this matter. Every one who reads seriously here (and in SDF too) know who's the background Zhang Zhaozhong. Some times he might not tell all the truth intentionally, which is understandable.

But what's your wonder indeed about a SUBSONIC STEALTH H-20?

If you have different opinion on H-20, just say it out. Do you think it will be SUPERSONIC? Or, non-stealth??

Btw I don't know the Baghdad thing, but it's too long already and not relevant at all here. And for such thing, whatever it was, has nothing to do with the present affairs. I am surprised that you raised such trivial and obsolete thing at ease for questioning the substance, or judging one's standing.

No I just mean we are probably not getting any new information out of him. It has been known for many years now that the H-20 will utilize a subsonic flying wing design. Most likely, he does not have extra information on this (as the H-20 is extremely classified).

 

[Last starfighter]

China’s New Stealth Bomber Can't Be as Powerful as It Sounds
Reports say it can fly halfway across the Pacific carrying 45 tons of bombs. That's ... unlikely.
By Kyle Mizokami
DEC 9, 2020

• China’s first totally new bomber in decades, the H-20, will reportedly give the country “truly intercontinental power-projection capability.”
• The H-20 is believed to be similar in appearance to the American B-2 Spirit bomber.
• A South China Morning Post report adds other details from the mainland, though some seem unlikely.
• report on China’s new, upcoming bomber paints a picture of a big, stealthy plane capable of flying halfway across the Pacific, laden with up to 45 tons of bombs.
• The South China Morning Post (SCMP) claims the bomber will make China an intercontinental power, but don’t be surprised if the real plane falls short of its capabilities.
• The Xi’an H-20, according to the SCMP, is a large, stealthy bomber under development for China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force. The bomber would supplement and eventually replace the H-6, a 1950s-era design that China has steadily upgraded over the decades.
• The H-20, which China announced in 2016, is expected to be revealed sometime in the next year or two.
  
  The H-20 is depicted as having a flying wing design that trades speed for range and stealth. According to SCMP’s mainland sources, the H-20 will have a bomb load of 45 tons, far more than the B-52H Stratofortress’s 35 tons and the B-2 Spirit’s 20 tons.
• Do the H-20's specifications sound credible?
  Yes. China has made great strides, and rumors about upcoming equipment are generally accurate.No. It sounds far too ambitious, large, costly, and beyond the country's capabilities.
  Do the H-20's specifications sound credible?
• The SCMP article cites unnamed sources who say the bomber will also have a range of at least 12,000 kilometers, or at 7,456 miles—an impressive range that would put Hawaii within reach of the H-20. It would also put all 50 U.S. states within striking distance if the H-20 took an Arctic flight route.
• By comparison, the B-52H has an unrefueled combat range of 8,800 miles, while the B-2 has an unrefueled range of 6,904 miles.
  
  
  
• B-52H bomber flying over New York City, July 4th, 2020.
• The SCMP also cites mainland reports that say the H-20 will be equipped with nuclear weapons, forming one leg of a nuclear triad that also includes nuclear missile submarines and land-based missiles. The bomber will also carry four “stealth or hypersonic” missiles.
• 
  
• The aircraft the SCMP describes seems unlikely to add up to a real bomber. A flying wing design that carries 45 tons of bombs would be enormous: Unlike bombers such as the H-6 and B-52H, which have long fuselages capable of carrying vast amounts of bombs, a flying wing must stuff everything (weapons included) into a flying boomerang shape. The H-20, as sketched out by the SCMP, would need to be much larger than the four-engined B-2.
  
  
  
  
  The B-2 stealth bomber.
  JEROD HARRISGETTY IMAGES

There’s also the matter of the 7,456-mile combat range. That number is a huge leap over the H-6, and seems to conveniently cover the entire United States. The H-20 would have to carry an enormous amount of fuel to transport 45 tons of bombs, further adding to the bomber’s size.

Chinese H-6 bombers flying in formation over Beijing, 2019.
BARCROFTGETTY IMAGES

It seems unlikely that the final bomber will be this much of a “wonder weapon.” While China has taken great strides in military technology over the past 30 years, much of it has been incremental in terms of progress. The Pentagon, in its 2020 report on Chinese Military Power, pegs the H-20 as a plane with a more modest 5,281-mile range and the ability to lift just 10 tons of munitions.

One thing the SCMP article definitely gets right, however, is the new bomber's nuclear role. China, which lacks the aerospace know-how to build modern bombers, operates a nuclear “dyad,” consisting of land- and submarine-launched missiles. The H-20 will almost certainly add a third leg to Beijing’s nuclear capability, making it a true “triad.”

According to The Diplomat, some of China’s H-6 bombers appear to be adopting a nuclear mission. H-6 bombers lack the range to reach the U.S., and would be easily destroyed by modern air defenses. China is likely developing the weapons, procedures, and tactics for a nuclear bomber now so a new bomber, once operational, could step in and assume the role relatively quickly.

I hope readers like this light reading courtesy of Popular Mechanics

 

[striver44]

their J-20 is only a modest success.

 

[Deino]

China’s New Stealth Bomber Can't Be as Powerful as It Sounds
Reports say it can fly halfway across the Pacific carrying 45 tons of bombs. That's ... unlikely.
By Kyle Mizokami
DEC 9, 2020
View attachment 694677
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Oh come on ... we have a thread already, so please DO NOT start a new one just for a stupid report.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

China’s New Stealth Bomber Can't Be as Powerful as It Sounds
Reports say it can fly halfway across the Pacific carrying 45 tons of bombs. That's ... unlikely.
By Kyle Mizokami
DEC 9, 2020
View attachment 694677

• China’s first totally new bomber in decades, the H-20, will reportedly give the country “truly intercontinental power-projection capability.”
• The H-20 is believed to be similar in appearance to the American B-2 Spirit bomber.
• A South China Morning Post report adds other details from the mainland, though some seem unlikely.
• report on China’s new, upcoming bomber paints a picture of a big, stealthy plane capable of flying halfway across the Pacific, laden with up to 45 tons of bombs.
• The South China Morning Post (SCMP) claims the bomber will make China an intercontinental power, but don’t be surprised if the real plane falls short of its capabilities.
• The Xi’an H-20, according to the SCMP, is a large, stealthy bomber under development for China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force. The bomber would supplement and eventually replace the H-6, a 1950s-era design that China has steadily upgraded over the decades.
• The H-20, which China announced in 2016, is expected to be revealed sometime in the next year or two.
  
  The H-20 is depicted as having a flying wing design that trades speed for range and stealth. According to SCMP’s mainland sources, the H-20 will have a bomb load of 45 tons, far more than the B-52H Stratofortress’s 35 tons and the B-2 Spirit’s 20 tons.
• Do the H-20's specifications sound credible?
  Yes. China has made great strides, and rumors about upcoming equipment are generally accurate.No. It sounds far too ambitious, large, costly, and beyond the country's capabilities.
  Do the H-20's specifications sound credible?
• The SCMP article cites unnamed sources who say the bomber will also have a range of at least 12,000 kilometers, or at 7,456 miles—an impressive range that would put Hawaii within reach of the H-20. It would also put all 50 U.S. states within striking distance if the H-20 took an Arctic flight route.
• By comparison, the B-52H has an unrefueled combat range of 8,800 miles, while the B-2 has an unrefueled range of 6,904 miles.
  
  
  
• B-52H bomber flying over New York City, July 4th, 2020.
• The SCMP also cites mainland reports that say the H-20 will be equipped with nuclear weapons, forming one leg of a nuclear triad that also includes nuclear missile submarines and land-based missiles. The bomber will also carry four “stealth or hypersonic” missiles.
• 
  
• The aircraft the SCMP describes seems unlikely to add up to a real bomber. A flying wing design that carries 45 tons of bombs would be enormous: Unlike bombers such as the H-6 and B-52H, which have long fuselages capable of carrying vast amounts of bombs, a flying wing must stuff everything (weapons included) into a flying boomerang shape. The H-20, as sketched out by the SCMP, would need to be much larger than the four-engined B-2.
  
  
  
  
  The B-2 stealth bomber.
  JEROD HARRISGETTY IMAGES

There’s also the matter of the 7,456-mile combat range. That number is a huge leap over the H-6, and seems to conveniently cover the entire United States. The H-20 would have to carry an enormous amount of fuel to transport 45 tons of bombs, further adding to the bomber’s size.

Chinese H-6 bombers flying in formation over Beijing, 2019.
BARCROFTGETTY IMAGES

It seems unlikely that the final bomber will be this much of a “wonder weapon.” While China has taken great strides in military technology over the past 30 years, much of it has been incremental in terms of progress. The Pentagon, in its 2020 report on Chinese Military Power, pegs the H-20 as a plane with a more modest 5,281-mile range and the ability to lift just 10 tons of munitions.

One thing the SCMP article definitely gets right, however, is the new bomber's nuclear role. China, which lacks the aerospace know-how to build modern bombers, operates a nuclear “dyad,” consisting of land- and submarine-launched missiles. The H-20 will almost certainly add a third leg to Beijing’s nuclear capability, making it a true “triad.”

According to The Diplomat, some of China’s H-6 bombers appear to be adopting a nuclear mission. H-6 bombers lack the range to reach the U.S., and would be easily destroyed by modern air defenses. China is likely developing the weapons, procedures, and tactics for a nuclear bomber now so a new bomber, once operational, could step in and assume the role relatively quickly.

I hope readers like this light reading courtesy of Popular Mechanics

This is just an opinion and pure speculation as no one knew about the real capability of the secretive H-20 yet.
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their J-20 is only a modest success.

Example of another biased and hopeless opinion.

 

[Han Patriot]

This is just an opinion and pure speculation as no one knew about the real capability of the secretive H-20 yet.
.

Example of another biased and hopeless opinion.

Can't be sound like he is guestimat8ng.