China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[TsAr]

Without getting into the discussion whether JF-17 fighter can knock Out the Indian Carrier or via versa....

The country which has the most number if Aircraft carriers and and has used them most effectively in a war is USA....A formation containing a Aircraft carrier is referred to as "carrier strike group" by the Americans, now what is a CGS :
A carrier strike group (CSG) is an operational formation of the United States Navy. It is composed of roughly 7,500 personnel, an aircraft carrier, at least one cruiser, a destroyer squadron of at least two destroyers and/or frigates,[1] and a carrier air wing of 65 to 70 aircraft. A carrier strike group also, on occasion, includes submarines, attached logistics ships and a supply ship.

For further details kindly google it and read before arguing who is going to knock out who. A single aircarft carrier with 20+ aircraft is not good enough. Its good for India that they have got a Aircraft carrier, but they would need years before they have on hand experience and can effectively deploy them. Meanwhile Pakistan is and will work on countering this threat.

Lets not forget that the Indian Aircraft carrier is not meant alone for Pakistan. The bigger threat and challenge is from China, plus India navy is looking to become a regional force...Live and Let Live...Peace....

 

[gslv mk3]

Lol @BARCAP.. and barak-8 cancelled program (atleast for india)... rest of your post is typical chest thumping..

Haha...pdf s genius is here with his bunch of Jokes-'Shaurya is a pure BM ' 'India is largest importer of N reactors' and now he is 'lol'ing at capability ofMig 29 Ks...

Barak 8 is a ' cancelled ' program? Is that another great ' discovery ' by you?

Chest thumping?Dude these are facts,which your military planners take into account - 2 40,000 + tonne Carriers,Stealth Destroyers,Stealth frigates ,SSBN and its own communication sat for NCW,IN is a formidable force.

 

[Jf Thunder]

And you think JF 17 wil penetrate ADs of all other ships in the CBG & evade detection from the AEW aircraft and Vikys radar?

And the JF 17 would be intercepted by Mig 29 Ks long before it can come in range of vikramaditya.

Heck the Zhuk ME radar on the mig will see JF 17 before it can see the mig,and would fire a BVRAAM.

game over .

and you think that a Jf 17 carrying a high tech missile will be going alone to bombard the ships?
there is a DEFENSE TEAM for a reason dude, there are many strategies that can be used just like there are defense strategies there are also attack strategies, and the one which is more thought out is the successful one.

 

[gslv mk3]

and you think that a Jf 17 carrying a high tech missile will be going alone to bombard the ships?
there is a DEFENSE TEAM for a reason dude, there are many strategies that can be used just like there are defense strategies there are also attack strategies, and the one which is more thought out is the successful one.

And you think that the Long Range Tracking radars on ship wont detect that JF 17,let alone other ships,of CBG ( which include Shivalik class frigates and Kolkata / Delhi class destroyers?)

Mig 29s which have got much superior radars than JF would not pick up your acs?

Kamove AEW helis wont pic up the JFs?

And finally,Barak 8 system is a very capable syatem and Israel in inducting it to counter Yakhount missiles of Syria.So CM 400 AKG probabily wont have a chance against it.

 

[Indischer]

Very good question. I'll put it in a nutshell. You can't destroy an AC with the usual cruise missile. You'd need a big explosive warhead to do that which means a massive increase in the weight of the missile. Which means maneuvering the missile by its intrinsic guidance systems in the terminal phase from stand off OTH ranges on a moving target, which is extremely difficult due to the missile's mass and kinetic energy, unlike the much smaller, lighter and easily maneuverable SAMs, AAMs, ATGMs etc.

Might sound like an idiotic question, but here goes: What if many smaller cruise missiles are used to rain on the deck and effectively destroy the runway of an Aircraft Carrier? How easy is it to repair a bombed runway in-situ? I've read that a Kamikaze attack on the USS Franklin had sent it out of action for 4 months.

 

[Jf Thunder]

And you think that the Long Range Tracking radars on ship wont detect that JF 17,let alone other ships,of CBG ( which include Shivalik class frigates and Kolkata / Delhi class destroyers?)

Mig 29s which have got much superior radars than JF would not pick up your acs?

Kamove AEW helis wont pic up the JFs?

And finally,Barak 8 system is a very capable syatem and Israel in inducting it to counter Yakhount missiles of Syria.So CM 400 AKG probabily wont have a chance against it.

dude, i wasnt talking about ships, i was talking about a defense team of planes ._.
so what you are trying to say is that you will divert your ships, helis, fighters to stop one assault team, well thats good for you, and like i said its called a strategy, no defense mechanism is invincible, if they were then wars would be pointless even your defenses will have a weak point and that is up to our generals to find out, if they are capable of doing that

 

[Oldman1]

Might sound like an idiotic question, but here goes: What if many smaller cruise missiles are used to rain on the deck and effectively destroy the runway of an Aircraft Carrier? How easy is it to repair a bombed runway in-situ? I've read that a Kamikaze attack on the USS Franklin had sent it out of action for 4 months.

Pretty easy in fact. 4 months is impressive considering the damage the Franklin sustained. Not to mention the shipyards that are already burdened with repairing other ships that were damaged in the war.

For example the USS Enterprise was damaged and claimed to be sunk by the Japanese only to be repaired and kept on killing more Japanese. So its not a good idea to just damage the deck of the ship. And current carriers are pretty tough compare to WW2 carriers which were made of wood. USS America for example took weeks to sink by the U.S. Navy.

 

[Jf Thunder]

dude, as the carries have become stronger so have the missiles, so thet ratio of power is pretty much the same

 

[Oldman1]

dude, as the carries have become stronger so have the missiles, so thet ratio of power is pretty much the same

The U.S. Navy tested all kinds of weapons including anti ship missiles with considerable warheads. Still took 2 weeks to sink it. And its just sitting there. No destroyers or any type of countermeasures involved to prevent aircraft or missiles from heading towards it. Not to mention carriers themselves have aircraft to detect any hostiles.

 

[GURU DUTT]

and you think that a Jf 17 carrying a high tech missile will be going alone to bombard the ships?
there is a DEFENSE TEAM for a reason dude, there are many strategies that can be used just like there are defense strategies there are also attack strategies, and the one which is more thought out is the successful one.

well heres a scenario

india and pakistan are at war and indian navy is given the task to block your sea lines

now the question is how

answer is simple a squad of SU-30MKI at baroda lainches a attack on karachi and gadawar and dessimates all the naval ships of PN standing there and the second wave of jags finishes the job

well the things are not that easy but not that difficult aswell for india ause

1. all of your Air force will be monitored and all your actions will be tracked and followed very closeli by the indian ground based radars which even today scan all pakistani airspace as much as untill the hindukush ranges

2.All pakistani airforce will be bizzi in fighting and keeping indian iar force at bay where on earth will they be able to spare a squad of your almighty JF17s to diliver there define CM-400 and other so called carrier killers cause

a. there are at least 12 squads(240) of fighters on owr western border to keep PAF bizzi that includes

2 squads of M2k
2squads of MIG29
5squads of MKI
3squads of Jaguars

b. besudes this 3 dedicated phalcon AWACS platforms will keep even a better eye on PAF

c.round the clock Spy SAT cover(both israeli & indian + a few inputs from russian and americans aswell) will keep even a better eye on all you movements

d. every CBG will have at least 1 squad ok Mig 29K + 6 K25 & K31 ASW & AWAC helicopters backed by there own radars and anty aircraft missile systems

3. what about other ships of indian navy do you realli think they will stay away form the party

well brother thing is there is nothing you can do to take on owr CBGs they are not for you

 

[Oldman1]

Let me show you something. This is not a carrier but an old U.S. destroyer and how much punishment it took. You have to remember the U.S. warships have been hit by anti-ship missiles before and survived for example USS Stark and Liberty. Even Al Qaeda suicide boat that caused a 40 ft gap in the Cole and still didn't sink it.

 

[Jf Thunder]

well heres a scenario

india and pakistan are at war and indian navy is given the task to block your sea lines

now the question is how

answer is simple a squad of SU-30MKI at baroda lainches a attack on karachi and gadawar and dessimates all the naval ships of PN standing there and the second wave of jags finishes the job

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wow, i am speechless, you have finished us like our army navy and air force was sleeping ._.
well at least you can certainly dream good, i wish you best of luck in your dream wars where you attack us and no one comes to our defense, in my dreams i see a Babur missile fired at your ACC and it sinks along with all the planes ^_^

The U.S. Navy tested all kinds of weapons including anti ship missiles with considerable warheads. Still took 2 weeks to sink it. And its just sitting there. No destroyers or any type of countermeasures involved to prevent aircraft or missiles from heading towards it. Not to mention carriers themselves have aircraft to detect any hostiles.

so what you are trying to say is that ACC are invincible, ok then that means we have lost a war even before it began

 

[Oldman1]

so what you are trying to say is that ACC are invincible, ok then that means we have lost a war even before it began

Didn't say it was invincible, just really tough to sink it.

 

[GURU DUTT]

wow, i am speechless, you have finished us like our army navy and air force was sleeping ._.
well at least you can certainly dream good, i wish you best of luck in your dream wars where you attack us and no one comes to our defense, in my dreams i see a Babur missile fired at your ACC and it sinks along with all the planes ^_^


so what you are trying to say is that ACC are invincible, ok then that means we have lost a war even before it began

read again kiddo i edited it for your convenience

 

[Viper 94]

And you think JF 17 wil penetrate ADs of all other ships in the CBG & evade detection from the AEW aircraft and Vikys radar?

And the JF 17 would be intercepted by Mig 29 Ks long before it can come in range of vikramaditya.

Heck the Zhuk ME radar on the mig will see JF 17 before it can see the mig,and would fire a BVRAAM.

game over .

you do realize that jf-17 would also carry sd-10 bvr missiles
or be escorted by f-16s with amraams
also there will be awacs aircraft continuously communicating with the strike package
so the game is not over that easily