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[striver44]

Within reach in term of their bomber range + refueling, but bombing Chinese ports will be quite challenging if not suicidal.

the bombers need not be close, the JASSM XR for example has a range of over 1900km, silent US submarines armed with cruise missile will also join the hunt.


oh I forgot China has those sand dunes in the south china sea that need to be constantly resupplied and defended.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Nope According to many here it's a Flanker.

Bad news China doesn't operate F-16.

Flanker and F-16 claims were both in the fog of war, NOT CONFIRMED

 

[antonius123]

the bombers need not be close, the JASSM XR for example has a range of over 1900km, silent US submarines armed with cruise missile will also join the hunt.


oh I forgot China has those sand dunes in the south china sea that need to be constantly resupplied and defended.

China has robust air defence system (HQ-9, HQ-19 etc) that is supposed to be able to counter missiles attack including JASSM.

If the bombers depart from Japan/Korean bases, China will wipe these bases with DF-26s/DF-21D,
If the bombers depart from Hawaii, they must pass challenge from HQQ9 shot from numerous PLAN destroyers on east pacific; even if the bombers can pass, soon after launching JASSM, they may not go back home to their bases.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

the bombers need not be close, the JASSM XR for example has a range of over 1900km, silent US submarines armed with cruise missile will also join the hunt.


oh I forgot China has those sand dunes in the south china sea that need to be constantly resupplied and defended.

Firs USAF will induct JASSM XR than talk and Sub launched tomahawk has range of only 2500 km if fire from east pacific near the US coast it can't be reach its intended target

 

[antonius123]

oh I forgot China has those sand dunes in the south china sea that need to be constantly resupplied and defended.

The stock in that islands should be more abundant compared to the stock in US fleets. Besides resupplying these island from China mainland is much faster than resuplying US fleets from US mainland.

Speaking about logistic, I would bet on China considering her industrial power, moreover if the war theater happen in front of her door.

 

[striver44]

China has robust air defence system (HQ-9, HQ-19 etc) that is supposed to be able to counter missiles attack including JASSM.

If the bombers depart from Japan/Korean bases, China will wipe these bases with DF-26s/DF-21D,
If the bombers depart from Hawaii, they must pass challenge from HQQ9 shot from numerous PLAN destroyers on east pacific; even if the bombers can pass, soon after launching JASSM, they may not go back home to their bases.

do you actually think that all intercepts will be 100% successful??
looking at the war in Armenia, where on paper the country look secure with those s-300s protection the entirety of the country only to end up getting crushed by basically an pilotless armed cessna. mainly to EW. the US is I believe the very best when it comes to EW.

even if the bases are wiped out as I say, long range bomber flying from the continental US will be able to fly and launch those long range cruise missile in swarm, not to mention the US submarines which is always present somewhere near China's coast ready to launch those pencils.

also mobile missile launchers like these will be the norms in the years to come. could be stationed in Japan and concealed.

 

[antonius123]

Oh I forgot, once US bombers launch attack on China's port, soon China will retaliate by raining ASBM to US fleets, including US bases in Japan/Korea/Guam.

Oh .. the devastation will be severe I think

 

[striver44]

The stock in that islands should be more abundant compared to the stock in US fleets. Besides resupplying these island from China mainland is much faster than resuplying US fleets from US mainland.

Speaking about logistic, I would bet on China considering her industrial power, moreover if the war theater happen in front of her door.

she'll need ships and planes in contested area , not very bright when you're facing the US

Oh I forgot, once US bombers launch attack on China's port, soon China will retaliate by raining ASBM to US fleets, including US bases in Japan/Korea/Guam.

Oh .. the devastation will be severe I think

the Carriers will be in a safe distance, China flaunts those missile capabilities early , the US has ample times to find a way to counter.

 

[antonius123]

do you actually think that all intercepts will be 100% successful??
looking at the war in Armenia, where on paper the country look secure with those s-300s protection the entirety of the country only to end up getting crushed by basically an pilotless armed cessna. mainly to EW. the US is I believe the very best when it comes to EW.

Turkey has proved HQ-9 has better accuracy than PAC and S-300, of course it doesnt guarantee 100% either.

But do not ever think flying bomber toward China will be a safe journey, on the contrary, China now has Beidou + OTH radar that can track these flying bombers and has prepared the destroyers to intercept these bombers in the route.

even if the bases are wiped out as I say, long range bomber flying from the continental US will be able to fly and launch those long range cruise missile in swarm, not to mention the US submarines which is always present somewhere near China's coast ready to launch those pencils.

With conventional explosion? then you will need several sorties.

Even for first sortie your bomber may not be able to go back home safe.

also mobile missile launchers like these will be the norms in the years to come. could be stationed in Japan and concealed.

Dont you think China also has the equivalent one?

she'll need ships and planes in contested area , not very bright when you're facing the US

Yes, and the number of ships China has is more than what US has.

I don't understand why you think US will be in advantageous situation in term of logistic; the war theater is less than 5000km from China coast but more than 10000km from US coast, not to mention China has better capability to produce the munition and supply for replenishment.

the Carriers will be in a safe distance, China flaunts those missile capabilities early , the US has ample times to find a way to counter.

The carriers in safe distance mean inutile carriers. They can do NOTHING against China.

 

[striver44]

Turkey has proved HQ-9 has better accuracy than PAC and S-300, of course it doesnt guarantee 100% either.

the US is a globally deployed Navy , the have ships based in Spain, UK, Romania, etc not just Japan, US intelligence will already smell if China will launch an imminent attack on it's main Asian port such as Yokosuka giving them ample time to evacuate, even if let say China have the ability to destroy American ships in let's say Japan, it will not cripple the US navy because the US Navy doesn't concentrate all it's ships in one port. all due to China's premature exposing of it's missile threat, the US has ample time to anticipate such strikes against it's fleet by dispersing ships.

it's called distributed lethality.

'Distributed Lethality' Is The Surface Navy's Strategy For The Trump Era

The strategy, which shifts the focus away from aircraft carrier battle groups toward dispersion and deception, will lead the Navy to push for very different investment decisions during the Trump years.

www.forbes.com

China on the other hand had most of it's fleet stationed within range of US missile launched from Japan, from Submarines below, and bombers (supersonic and stealthy) from the continental US. all the while US destroyers likely do some piracy against Chinese bound shipping in the Atlantic, Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.

Turkey has proved HQ-9 has better accuracy than PAC and S-300, of course it doesnt guarantee 100% either.

But do not ever think flying bomber toward China will be a safe journey, on the contrary, China now has Beidou + OTH radar that can track these flying bombers and has prepared the destroyers to intercept these bombers in the route.

the US has a space force to ensure their dominance in space.

Even for first sortie your bomber may not be able to go back home safe.

China don't have F-16. relax

Dont you think China also has the equivalent one?

it's complicated, if China wants to strike US fleet in mainland USA it could result in Nuke exchange between both countries because the trajectories of an hypersonic and an ICBM are almost the same. from the US it could look like china has just launched an ICBM.

Yes, and the number of ships China has is more than what US has.

yep majority are the 70+ corvettes and missile boat, also chinese ships has less vls than the US navy

The carriers in safe distance mean inutile carriers. They can do NOTHING against China.

they have their jets to fly long enough and their stand off missile to strike even longer

 

[Han Patriot]

most of it will be blocked in the 1st and 2nd island chain.
think about a Hochseeflotte 2.0

Blocked? Unless your Papa comes in, you are fried when we send in the armada. Lol

 

[antonius123]

the US is a globally deployed Navy , the have ships based in Spain, UK, Romania, etc not just Japan, US intelligence will already smell if China will launch an imminent attack on it's main Asian port such as Yokosuka giving them ample time to evacuate, even if let say China have the ability to destroy American ships in let's say Japan, it will not cripple the US navy because the US Navy doesn't concentrate all it's ships in one port. all due to China's premature exposing of it's missile threat, the US has ample time to anticipate such strikes against it's fleet by dispersing ships.

They can smell, but what can they do? :

it's called distributed lethality.

'Distributed Lethality' Is The Surface Navy's Strategy For The Trump Era

The strategy, which shifts the focus away from aircraft carrier battle groups toward dispersion and deception, will lead the Navy to push for very different investment decisions during the Trump years.

www.forbes.com

In conventional war, these distributed lethality will bring less threat toward China. They need to be present in the war theater if they want to attack China.

China on the other hand had most of it's fleet stationed within range of US missile launched from Japan, from Submarines below, and bombers (supersonic and stealthy) from the continental US. all the while US destroyers likely do some piracy against Chinese bound shipping in the Atlantic, Mediterranean and Indian Ocean.

Not really. Your AShM range is less than 1000km; DF-21 more over DF-26 is much superior in term of range.
Your submarine is threat, but China has so many ships for US sub to handle, not to mention PLAN numerous sub and hundred drone sub undersea. Once your sub launch torpedo/missile, soon your sub location can be found easily and has litle chance to survive.

the US has a space force to ensure their dominance in space.

Same like China.

China don't have F-16. relax

That junk wont help much in war against China.
What can it do in sea warfare with it's short range

it's complicated, if China wants to strike US fleet in mainland USA it could result in Nuke exchange between both countries because the trajectories of an hypersonic and an ICBM are almost the same. from the US it could look like china has just launched an ICBM.

Do not ever think because of that China will hesitate use DF-21/26. If US attack these weapons are in China's equation, with risk of nuclear war.

 

[striver44]

Blocked? Unless your Papa comes in, you are fried when we send in the armada. Lol

So it's true then? PLA is in the mercy of the US.

 

[Han Patriot]

So it's true then? PLA is in the mercy of the US.

12 carriers, what do you think is stopping us from frying the other baby navies? Only your Papa is keeping us at bay. Lol