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China's high risk India gamble

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People make sound like CHina and India are in a boiling pot of water together. They are rivals such that competition will always exsit until an equilibrium is created..but they are far away from nuking each other unlike Pakistan and India.
 
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People make sound like CHina and India are in a boiling pot of water together. They are rivals such that competition will always exsit until an equilibrium is created..but they are far away from nuking each other unlike Pakistan and India.

india n pk are also far awy from nuking each other:no::no::no:
 
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China?s High Risk India Gamble | The Diplomat


Chinaloves to keep the pot boiling with countries it perceives as potential rivals, a fact no more evident than it is with its dealings with India in recent years. China’s recent decision to deny a visa to Indian Lt. General B. S. Jaswal, head of the Northern Command, is therefore just another example of its determination to find new issues to further complicate the already complex web of India-China differences.

The game is being played at multiple levels with Jammu and Kashmir, which is seen by China as an area of ‘international dispute’ in the same way as Arunachal Pradesh. At first glance, it seems a relatively recent diplomatic gambit. But it’s one that was first introduced some years ago, when the planned visit to Ladakh by the People’s Liberation Army Commander of the Lanzhou Military Region that covers Xinjiang (which sits opposite Jammu and Kashmir) was cancelled at the last moment by China on the grounds that Pakistan had protested that the territory is disputed. This move was soon followed by a visa denial to an official from the state on similar grounds, while last year, the Chinese embassy followed up by inventing a new method of giving stapled visas.

This has all come against a backdrop of PLA moves to enhance its road and rail-building work in ***************** Kashmir, with little indication that China sees the area as disputed or recognises that such activities are grossly illegitimate given India’s legal sovereignty.

None of this has gone unnoticed by decision makers in New Delhi. Yet, for the past decade they’ve played down these problems in the expectation that deepening engagement would eventually influence attitudes at the top in China and gradually result in a softening of the Chinese position.

But this hasn’t happened. If political liberals believed that flourishing trade ties (now worth $60 billion) or construction, power and telecom company contracts being signed with a total value of $25 billion to $30 billion would elicit a modicum of moderation on the Chinese side over these critical issues, they will have been hugely disappointed. There has been no moderation on the territorial and other differences that continue to dog the relationship, despite India presenting a united front with China on international trade and environment issues.

And China has a long list of demands. It wants Arunachal to be handed over (or, at the very least, Tawang and a few other areas); it wants India to stop offering sanctuary to the Dalai Lama so his struggle for the rights of the Tibetan people and Tibetan autonomy will be silenced; it wants to retain most of the territory it has forcibly occupied in Ladakh, land that extends well beyond even its official claim line of 1956; it wants Nepal to be neutral; it wants India to shun close ties with the United States; it wants to further open India’s market for its companies…and the list goes on....

What do you guys have to say?

China, i guess, is in it's every right to command where it wants.

This is what's called power-maneuvering. A much better move than outright military conflict that results in a lose-lose situation.

Basically in negotiations, neither party can gain what they want completely. some concessions have to be made, and both parties know this. So they try to reduce the amount of concessions they have to make by negotiating from a position of strength. The idea is to have the upper hand over the opponent, so that the opponent NEEDS the negotiation more, so the opponent will be willing to make more concessions.

Basically China is consolidating its power in the region and increasing its influence as a 'soft' way to bring India to the negotiating table on China's terms. If India is to counter it, we will also have to make similar moves and political maneuvering. And since China is bigger economically and militarily, we have to have some help in the form of someone stronger. Thus the recent increase in US-India bilateral ties.

The name of the game is politics.
 
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Well I don't know if Pakistan and India are going to nuke each other anytime soon, but it seems to me that India seem to get the short end of the stick against China, I mean they are not in the same kind of league and they are determined to come to the attention of the Chinese, especially after Admiral Mullen's guarantee to come to India's aid in confrontation with China.

On the other hand, Chinese are not keen for such a confrontation, I think they correctly gauge the prickly (quick to take offense) nature of the present day (I use to a lover but now I'm a fighter) Indian. They, the Chinese I mean, at least going by the report above, like to push the Indians buttons, now and then - I may be mistaken though.
 
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Well I don't know if Pakistan and India are going to nuke each other anytime soon, but it seems to me that India seem to get the short end of the stick against China, I mean they are not in the same kind of league and they are determined to come to the attention of the Chinese, especially after Admiral Mullen's guarantee to come to India's aid in confrontation with China.

On the other hand, Chinese are not keen for such a confrontation, I think they correctly gauge the prickly (quick to take offense) nature of the present day (I use to a lover but now I'm a fighter) Indian. They, the Chinese I mean, at least going by the report above, like to push the Indians buttons, now and then - I may be mistaken though.

india have problem related to land with china.china dont understand wat we want to say?.btw there is no such Admiral Mullen's guarantee .and india is not in league with u.s as much described here.we have to do on our own.and regarding to india trying to get chinese attention.this is baseless ,who told china to repeat the same thing which they know will be protested.so who is getting attention n who is testing the air ??
 
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there's more. we also want India to stop preparing for an invasion of pakistan, stop oppressing the poor peasants and stop supporting terrorism but we're more realistic so we just wrote those few down.

And we just want people like you to be kept out of reach from Internet. :partay:
 
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.we have to do on our own.and regarding to india trying to get chinese attention.this is baseless ,who told china to repeat the same thing which they know will be protested.so who is getting attention n who is testing the air ??


I very much agree that India have to do their own heavy lifting when it comes to getting China to toe the line, so to speak. But it seems to me that this should be deferred until it becomes a reasonable possibility - should the Indian press and elements within it's foreign and intelligence services continue to first bring India into confrontation, even if diplomatic, and then fail to the state as they did in 1962, then of course the cause of India will suffer a dramatic downturn

With regard to your who is getting whose attention, do you think I was referring to this when I highlighted that they, the Chinese, I mean, seem to push Indian buttons now and then - almost as if they know the reaction so well, and know how to play it and who's attention it would evoke (read USA)?
 
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well today china has upper hand but in next 4-5 India will be equal to China defense

as expert say in coming year china economy will go down and India will grow far better then china
 
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well today china has upper hand but in next 4-5 India will be equal to China defense

as expert say in coming year china economy will go down and India will grow far better then china
nope, china will remain ahead of us, because of her economic size. but we have to develop deterrence against any adventure, same as pak has done against us
 
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Yeah right, keep dreaming cos it free, some so called experts also predict India will eliminate poverty by 2015, super power by 2020.:lol:
 
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well today china has upper hand but in next 4-5 India will be equal to China defense

as expert say in coming year china economy will go down and India will grow far better then china


Why is no one thinking outside the box - is confrontation all that there is for Pakistan, India and China and USA??
 
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Yeah right, keep dreaming cos it free, some so called experts also predict India will eliminate poverty by 2015, super power by 2020.:lol:

why not if you well wish with us then sure :smitten:

you take any doubt in your mind India is an future power same as china but the difference is china is aggressive and India is defensive power :sniper:
 
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