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China's Economic Miracle Is Over

just last months china sacked four important industrial projects in KSA and launched the jamarat train while Indians scored zero. The obsession of comparing with china or evaluating china is an Indian disease, the rest of the world is least bothered.

Hint: check the flags of thread starter.

China started economic reforms and adaptation of controlled capitalism which facilitated the 70's sino soviet split while Indians desperately maintained their puppy love with an ailing empire much to the desperation of soviets and extracted maximum benefit out of it...a credit India deserves rightfully.


China is just cooling its growth rate,which is quite normal,u cant expect to still grow at a speed of above 10% after a particular level,China is not going anywhere

Well then why isn't same "indian logic" applied to Indian tall claims of double digit growth and even surpassing china??? China and Japan are the Asian giants and India is secondary. If there isnt much demands for the two then where will india sell?? to itself???
 
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why are people keep bringing india into this ?? the writer is not indian and we are also not comparing anything with that.. this is the topic of discussion among chinese members an people who knows about economics.. and not for one liners
 
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just last months china sacked four important industrial projects in KSA and launched the jamarat train while Indians scored zero. The obsession of comparing with china or evaluating china is an Indian disease, the rest of the world is least bothered.

Hint: check the flags of thread starter.

China started economic reforms and adaptation of controlled capitalism which facilitated the 70's sino soviet split while Indians desperately maintained their puppy love with an ailing empire much to the desperation of soviets and extracted maximum benefit out of it...a credit India deserves rightfully.




Well then why isn't same "indian logic" applied to Indian tall claims of double digit growth and even surpassing china??? China and Japan are the Asian giants and India is secondary. If there isnt much demands for the two then where will india sell?? to itself???

This is not Indian logic,this is just a reality,meanwhile India is growing at a good pace,we r not concerned,we r making it good, India received FDI of almost $ 8 billion in between the months of April and august,meanwhile what is ur position,i know China is not going anywhere,but i am also sure about Pakistan,going down very soon,so please show concern about ur nation than our's
 
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As expected some obssesed members bring india on this thread... no surprise...:)
 
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was amazed by a figure in the article
food inflation 34%
is that real C-D?
 
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China’s Economic Miracle Is Over

by Chriss W. Street.

China funded the largest economic stimulus programs in world history from July of 2009 through June of 2010. As a percentage comparison to the U.S. stimulus plan; the Chinese spent twice the amount of money in half the time. China focused their stimulus on encouraging production, whereas America’s stimulus went to consumption. It now appears that the Chinese produced a huge portion of the consumer goods Americans bought with their stimulus dollars. Consequently, China’s unemployment rate fell to 4.2%, whereas the U.S. unemployment rate rose to 9.6%. Unfortunately for China, their stimulus success has also sown the seeds of their economic demise. A vicious combination of inflation and a strengthening currency is about to end the Chinese economic miracle.

China’s economy is only a third as large as the U.S. economy, but the total amount of goods and services traded are similar. China exports $2 trillion and imports $1.5 trillion; the U.S. exports $1.5 trillion and imports $2 trillion. But as shown below, in the Great Recession, China achieved high growth and employment; but the cost of success is high interest rates and raging inflation.
Int. Rate Growth Rate Jobless Rate Inflation Rate Food % GDP Food Inflation
China 5.56% 9.60% 4.20% 4.40% 34.0% 10.8%
US 0.25% 2.00% 9.60% 1.10% 12.4% 1.4%
To understand the Chinese “miracle” it is important to be aware of China’s history. President Nixon may have opened China to the outside world in 1970, but it was the collapse of the Soviet Union in the 1980s that forced China to abandon communism and flirt with capitalism. From 1981 to 1993 China devalued its currency six times, from 2.8 Yuan to 5.3 Yuan to the dollar. Facing economic crisis and famine in 1994, China embraced capitalism as “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics”. The exchange rate was devalued to 8.7 Yuan per dollar and tax rates were set at a 40% discount to the U.S. and Japan.
The combination of a 68% devaluation of the currency and dramatically lower tax rate fueled China’s economic boom.
Over the last fifteen years, China’s economy quadrupled; while the U.S. doubled and Japan had no growth. The graph below demonstrates China has not taken advantage of its success to develop competitive domestic manufacturing. The Chinese export “miracle,” as shown in yellow, is still due to U.S. and Asian manufacturers outsourcing their low-tech “processing” of component assemblies to benefit from China’s low effective wage rates. China continues to run a small deficit in “ordinary” finished goods manufacturing and a larger deficit in the “other” category of services.

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Consequently, the success of the Chinese economy remains very susceptible to changes in China’s costs of production. Until recently, China could count on millions of impoverished peasants leaving the farms in the countryside each year to head to the cities for low tech jobs and a better life. This seemingly “endless pool of labor” kept worker wages low. But the stimulus program was so successful that the economy has now reached full employment. To get more workers, companies are forced to offer higher wages to convince workers to switch employers. The higher employment and rising wage rates have increased the demand for food, which is over one third of Chinese personal consumption. The higher demand for food has created rampant food inflation. With food prices up almost 11% this year, farmers who might have considered moving to the cities are staying on the farms and getting rich. Workers in the cities are being squeezed by consumer prices that are rising faster than wages.
China’s labor force is 800 million versus the U.S. labor force of 154 million workers. Currently China’s unemployment rate is 4.2%, or 33.6 million versus the U.S. unemployment rate of 9.6%, or 14.8 million workers. Chinese exports amount to a massive 45% of their economy versus 11% for the U.S. economy.
China could put an end to this domestic demand-pull and cost-push inflation by allowing its currency to float up in value; but any increase in currency exchange rate would directly increase the cost competitiveness of Chinese labor. Since over two thirds of Chinese exports are process manufacturing for corporations in other countries, changes in the exchange rates with China would have a direct proportional relationship to the willingness of corporations to out-source their low tech processing work to China.
Several recent academic studies have determined that, every 10% appreciation of China’s currency, would result in a 17% reduction in China’s processed exports. Estimates of how much the Chinese currency would rise in value if the Chinese government allowed it to float, range from 10% to 40%. Therefore, a free floating currency could increase China’s unemployment by 40 to 160 million!
China’s economic miracle allowed the country to become the second largest economy and the largest exporter in the history of the world. This miracle continues to be grounded on the third world economic model of providing foreigners impoverished peasant labor at the lowest effective cost. High unemployment in the rest of the world is driving labor costs down, whereas full employment and high demand are driving China’s labor costs up. Rapidly growing inflation will soon force the Chinese to allow their currency to appreciate. China is not prepared to handle hard economic times. The government has kept its tax rates very low by not providing social services. As inflation and unemployment rise, China’s economic miracle will be over.

I didnt even bother to read the article . BS

chinese in general may like to underestimate Indian growth rate but we Indians should be awake and not buy this crap some westerners are trying to sell.
 
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You aren't going to be around here very long, if you can't debate in a civilized manner.

would have appreciated it had you asked your pakistani friends with the same amount of righteousness not to bring India in it unnecessarily.

dont let friendship make you biased .dont expect it from a member like you
 
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I didnt even bother to read the article . BS

chinese in general may like to underestimate Indian growth rate but we Indians should be awake and not buy this crap some westerners are trying to sell.

Nope, the Chinese public always considers that both China and India are two growing giants among the developing nations. Our Media are not ethnocentric like those Western Media.
 
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would have appreciated it had to asked your pakistani friends with the same amount of righteousness not to bring India in it unnecessarily.

dont let friendship make you biased .dont expect it from a member like you

All they did was derail the thread, they didn't start swearing and using excessive language.

Threads are derailed all the time. Flaming on the other hand can really ruin a thread.
 
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I am no economics student but I doubt China's economic growth can slow down anytime soon. They've worked quite hard for it and deserve it. I think the only thing which could be a potential roadblock 20 years down the line is the lack of labor of a certain age group because of the 1 child policy and given that it is a welfare state - the pressure it can put on an ageing population - similar to faced by Europe right now.
 
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Nope, the Chinese public always considers that both China and India are two growing giants among the developing nations. Our Media are not ethnocentric like those Western Media.

That's right. :tup:

The Chinese media tends to be very low-key, and doesn't bash other countries for no reason.

The main news coming out of India right now is the high level of economic growth.
 
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A country that has grown at 9-10 % for the last 30 years will not stop growing so suddenly.

china's economy will certainly slow down now but will still continue to grow relatively fast atleast till 2030.
 
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