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China's DRDO is different...

So TEJAS and J20 can be compared? :omghaha:

Dude, I have an actual job unlike someone who each post will get them 50 cents, which would let someone live quite nicely in the hellhole you are from.

Before then

I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, Chicken go Chook :) LOL.

Interesting. You running DRDO and replying on PDF at the same time? :woot:

I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, Chicken go Chook :) LOL.
 
Dude, I have an actual job unlike someone who each post will get them 50 cents, which would let someone live quite nicely in the hellhole you are from.

Before then

I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12


To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, Chicken go Chook :) LOL.



I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12


To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, Chicken go Chook :) LOL.
Still no respond since July? :omghaha:

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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/nvid...st-single-computer-humanity-has-built.561198/
 


I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, No Response? Chicken go Chook :) LOL.

So TEJAS and J20 can be compared? :omghaha:


I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, No Response? Chicken go Chook :) LOL.

I am asking for something from India. Stop changing the topic :omghaha:


I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, No Response? Chicken go Chook :) LOL.

Sure. Indians are highly educated but where are the Indian equivalence? :woot:

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I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, No Response? Chicken go Chook :) LOL.

Interesting. You running DRDO and replying on PDF at the same time? :woot:

I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, No Response? Chicken go Chook :) LOL.

My favourite DRDO product.

How can you not list it ! Are you even indian to begin with? :)

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I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, No Response? Chicken go Chook :) LOL.

You mean a̶r̶j̶u̶n̶k̶ arjun? :omghaha:


I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, No Response? Chicken go Chook :) LOL.
 
When will DRDO, ADA, and HAL be capable of engineering something like this?

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When will DRDO, ADA, and HAL be capable of engineering something like this?

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doodoo, don't worry. if the chinese decide to bring them to a fight, we will have block F4R Rafales to take them down.

BTW, how is that engine working ? is it russian ?

another BTW, being able to use a permanent VPN doesn't maketh you a US citizen.

are you pakistani ? :omghaha:
 
doodoo, don't worry. if the chinese decide to bring them to a fight, we will have block F4R Rafales to take them down.

BTW, how is that engine working ? is it russian ?

another BTW, being able to use a permanent VPN doesn't maketh you a US citizen.

are you pakistani ? :omghaha:

Is Rafale a DRDO project? Also, Dassault doesn't sound Indian to me.


IAF’s 36 Rafales cost 40 per cent more than Dassault’s earlier offer

The price per Rafale aircraft that the government agreed in 2016 with French company Dassault for 36 fighters is 40 per cent higher than what Dassault had offered in 2012, in a global tender for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA).

Two senior defence ministry officials who were directly involved in contract negotiations with Dassault from 2012 onwards, have revealed to Business Standard that Dassault’s winning bid amounted to Euro 19.5 billion for 126 Rafale fighters.

The Euro 19.5 billion quote averaged out to Euro 155 million per aircraft. This included the cost of 126 fighters, technology transfer, indigenization, India-specific enhancements, weaponry, spares and maintenance guarantees.

At an exchange rate of Rs 65:14 to the Euro on January 30, 2012, when Dassault was declared the lowest bidder, its price amounted to Rs 127,000 crore, averaging almost exactly Rs 1,000 crore per Rafale fighter, inclusive of all the above additional aspects.

The MMRCA offer included 18 Rafales fully built in France, and 108 fighters to be built in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) from kits supplied by French vendors, Dassault, Thales and Snecma (renamed Safran Aircraft Engines in 2016). Even HAL’s labour costs were factored into this price.

In comparison to that Euro 155 million average cost per Rafale, the the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government’s September 2016 purchase of 36 Rafale fighters for Euro 7.8 billion works out to Euro 217 million per Rafale – exactly 40 per cent higher than Dassault’s 2012 quote.

It is not clear how the NDA government – including Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and Finance Minister Arun Jaitley, backed by senior IAF officials – has claimed that the 36-Rafale contract with Dassault in 2016 cost the IAF nine-20 per cent less than Dassault’s 126 Rafale offer.

These officials have argued that the Euro 7.8 billion cost of 36 Rafales included add-ons like weaponry, spare parts and logistic guarantees. However, the IAF’s 2007 tender for the MMRCA – termed “Request for Proposals” (RFP) – which Business Standard has reviewed in detail includes all these enhancements in the 2012 price.

The 2007 RFP stipulates that vendors must price in the “total cost of acquisition”. This includes the purchase cost of the “bare bones” aircraft, specified enhancements, weaponry, spares, maintenance and the cost of operating the aircraft for 40 years, including the cost of fuel, oil and lubricants.

The 2007 RFP requires vendors to price seven specified aspects into their bids. These are: (a) Direct acquisition cost, or the cost of buying and building 126 Rafales along with weaponry (termed M1); (b) Cost of Total Technical Life (TTL) reserves, or the spares needed over the Rafale’s service life of 40 years (M2); Cost of reserves for ensuring availability of 75 per cent of the fleet at all times (M3); Cost of intermediate level periodic servicing (M4); Cost of depot level overhaul (M5); Operating cost of the fleet for 40 years (M6) and the cost of technology transfer for building the Rafale in India and for other technologies specified in the RFP (M7).

Appendix F of the RFP mandates that the “total cost of acquisition” (M8), would be arrived at by adding all seven aspects above – i.e. M1 to M7. The vendor with the lowest “total cost of acquisition” would be declared L-1, and would be awarded the contract.

In fact, the difference between the two bids is actually greater, because the 126 MMRCA bid involves building 108 fighters in India, which adds to the cost. In contrast, the 18 Rafales that were to be supplied in flyaway condition would cost significantly less.

While the price Dassault quoted for the 18 fully built Rafales is not known, an estimate can be obtained from the pricing of the Sukhoi-30MKI. About five years ago, a Sukhoi-30MKI built in Russia would cost below Rs 300 crore, while the same aircraft built by HAL in Nashik would cost the IAF about Rs 450 crore – a 50 per cent mark-up for indigenisation.

Dassault’s Euro 19.5 billion quote remained valid at the time Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced in Paris on April 10, 2015 that he had requested President Francois Hollande to supply 36 fully-built Rafale fighters in a government-to-government arrangement. In February 2015, at the Aero India 2015 show in Bengaluru, Dassault chief Eric Trappier confirmed: “Our pricing remains the same from Day One of L-I (lowest bidder). So there has been no change on that front.”

Stipulations in the 2007 RFP impose several additional requirements on the vendor. The 126 Rafale fighters were to comprise of six independent squadrons of 18 fighters each and 18 additional reserve aircraft to cater for losses. They were to be based in three main operating bases, each housing one squadron.

Appendix F of the RfP specifies: “Each squadron would be required to operate two independent detachment of six aircraft for a period of 30 days at a time while continuing operations from the parent base.” The bid price is required to include the cost of spare parts, ground handling equipment and ground support equipment needed for these operations.

Paragraph 45 of the RfP requires the vendor to “confirm his willingness to provide the aircraft for field evaluation in India on ‘No Cost No Commitment’ basis.” Eventually, the six vendors ended up spending in the region of $50 million each on fielding and marketing their aircraft.

Even so, the government eventually cancelled the MMRCA tender and went in for a government-to-government purchase of 36 Rafale fighters on September 23, 2016. Now, the IAF is preparing a fresh RFP for 110 medium fighters, in which the same vendors are expected to participate.
 
Is Rafale a DRDO project? Also, Dassault doesn't sound Indian to me.


IAF’s 36 Rafales cost 40 per cent more than Dassault’s earlier offer

The price per Rafale aircraft that the government agreed in 2016 with French company Dassault for 36 fighters is 40 per cent higher than what Dassault had offered in 2012, in a global tender for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA).

Two senior defence ministry officials who were directly involved in contract negotiations with Dassault from 2012 onwards, have revealed to Business Standard that Dassault’s winning bid amounted to Euro 19.5 billion for 126 Rafale fighters.

The Euro 19.5 billion quote averaged out to Euro 155 million per aircraft. This included the cost of 126 fighters, technology transfer, indigenization, India-specific enhancements, weaponry, spares and maintenance guarantees.

At an exchange rate of Rs 65:14 to the Euro on January 30, 2012, when Dassault was declared the lowest bidder, its price amounted to Rs 127,000 crore, averaging almost exactly Rs 1,000 crore per Rafale fighter, inclusive of all the above additional aspects.

The MMRCA offer included 18 Rafales fully built in France, and 108 fighters to be built in India by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) from kits supplied by French vendors, Dassault, Thales and Snecma (renamed Safran Aircraft Engines in 2016). Even HAL’s labour costs were factored into this price.

In comparison to that Euro 155 million average cost per Rafale, the the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government’s September 2016 purchase of 36 Rafale fighters for Euro 7.8 billion works out to Euro 217 million per Rafale – exactly 40 per cent higher than Dassault’s 2012 quote.

It is not clear how the NDA government – including Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman and Finance Minister Arun Jaitley, backed by senior IAF officials – has claimed that the 36-Rafale contract with Dassault in 2016 cost the IAF nine-20 per cent less than Dassault’s 126 Rafale offer.

These officials have argued that the Euro 7.8 billion cost of 36 Rafales included add-ons like weaponry, spare parts and logistic guarantees. However, the IAF’s 2007 tender for the MMRCA – termed “Request for Proposals” (RFP) – which Business Standard has reviewed in detail includes all these enhancements in the 2012 price.

The 2007 RFP stipulates that vendors must price in the “total cost of acquisition”. This includes the purchase cost of the “bare bones” aircraft, specified enhancements, weaponry, spares, maintenance and the cost of operating the aircraft for 40 years, including the cost of fuel, oil and lubricants.

The 2007 RFP requires vendors to price seven specified aspects into their bids. These are: (a) Direct acquisition cost, or the cost of buying and building 126 Rafales along with weaponry (termed M1); (b) Cost of Total Technical Life (TTL) reserves, or the spares needed over the Rafale’s service life of 40 years (M2); Cost of reserves for ensuring availability of 75 per cent of the fleet at all times (M3); Cost of intermediate level periodic servicing (M4); Cost of depot level overhaul (M5); Operating cost of the fleet for 40 years (M6) and the cost of technology transfer for building the Rafale in India and for other technologies specified in the RFP (M7).

Appendix F of the RFP mandates that the “total cost of acquisition” (M8), would be arrived at by adding all seven aspects above – i.e. M1 to M7. The vendor with the lowest “total cost of acquisition” would be declared L-1, and would be awarded the contract.

In fact, the difference between the two bids is actually greater, because the 126 MMRCA bid involves building 108 fighters in India, which adds to the cost. In contrast, the 18 Rafales that were to be supplied in flyaway condition would cost significantly less.

While the price Dassault quoted for the 18 fully built Rafales is not known, an estimate can be obtained from the pricing of the Sukhoi-30MKI. About five years ago, a Sukhoi-30MKI built in Russia would cost below Rs 300 crore, while the same aircraft built by HAL in Nashik would cost the IAF about Rs 450 crore – a 50 per cent mark-up for indigenisation.

Dassault’s Euro 19.5 billion quote remained valid at the time Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced in Paris on April 10, 2015 that he had requested President Francois Hollande to supply 36 fully-built Rafale fighters in a government-to-government arrangement. In February 2015, at the Aero India 2015 show in Bengaluru, Dassault chief Eric Trappier confirmed: “Our pricing remains the same from Day One of L-I (lowest bidder). So there has been no change on that front.”

Stipulations in the 2007 RFP impose several additional requirements on the vendor. The 126 Rafale fighters were to comprise of six independent squadrons of 18 fighters each and 18 additional reserve aircraft to cater for losses. They were to be based in three main operating bases, each housing one squadron.

Appendix F of the RfP specifies: “Each squadron would be required to operate two independent detachment of six aircraft for a period of 30 days at a time while continuing operations from the parent base.” The bid price is required to include the cost of spare parts, ground handling equipment and ground support equipment needed for these operations.

Paragraph 45 of the RfP requires the vendor to “confirm his willingness to provide the aircraft for field evaluation in India on ‘No Cost No Commitment’ basis.” Eventually, the six vendors ended up spending in the region of $50 million each on fielding and marketing their aircraft.

Even so, the government eventually cancelled the MMRCA tender and went in for a government-to-government purchase of 36 Rafale fighters on September 23, 2016. Now, the IAF is preparing a fresh RFP for 110 medium fighters, in which the same vendors are expected to participate.


those SAME rafales will take down those russian engined stealth fighters china had put together. those SAME rafales at the hands of those who will fly with 4 times more payload than you. because of geography. and physics.

fool pakistanis, alright ?

make a customized J31 and let the pakistanis call them project azm.

don't try that 50 cent business on seasoned people like us.
 
those SAME rafales will take down those russian engined stealth fighters china had put together. those SAME rafales at the hands of those who will fly with 4 times more payload than you. because of geography. and physics.

fool pakistanis, alright ?

make a customized J31 and let the pakistanis call them project azm.

don't try that 50 cent business on seasoned people like us.

In your dreams. Rafale is a 4th-gen fighter and hopelessly obsolete. Of course, the delivery of the jet is now looking doubtful due to the corruption scandal surrounding its acquisition. The only thing you Indians are good at are rape, empty talk, and corruption. DRDO's saving grace is that it's not good at rape.
 
In your dreams. Rafale is a 4th-gen fighter and hopelessly obsolete. Of course, the delivery of the jet is now looking doubtful due to the corruption scandal surrounding its acquisition. The only thing you Indians are good at are rape, empty talk, and corruption. DRDO's saving grace is that it's not good at rape.


dooodooo, who takes you seriously ?

go have a dog meat sandwich and calm down dooodooo.

Meanwhile dooodooo, those Rafales which are hopelessly obsolete will swat those CCP poodles in chinese junk planes sent up by PLaugH. In short, indian rapists will shoot down superior chinese junk and rape those hairless cute chinese. or rape them first and then shoot them down later, whichever.:rofl:

dooodooo sounds like seesonic. hmmm
 
dooodooo, who takes you seriously ?

go have a dog meat sandwich and calm down dooodooo.

Meanwhile dooodooo, those Rafales which are hopelessly obsolete will swat those CCP poodles in chinese junk planes sent up by PLaugH. In short, indian rapists will shoot down superior chinese junk and rape those hairless cute chinese. or rape them first and then shoot them down later, whichever. :china:

LOL, only an Indian would take great pride in importing French fighter jets... Colonial mentality remains strong in India.

But what about India's indigenous capabilities? What can Indians do for themselves? More than 70 years after Indian independence, DRDO still can't design and manufacture an indigenous infantry fighting vehicle...

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LOL, only an Indian would take great pride in importing French fighter jets... Colonial mentality remains strong in India.

But what about India's indigenous capabilities? What can Indians do for themselves? More than 70 years after Indian independence, DRDO still can't design and manufacture an indigenous infantry fighting vehicle...


spoken like a true 50 cent bot.

did you know dooodooo that your motherland China still imports fighter jets from Russia ? Hell, those japanese boot licking colonial habits of chinese must be difficult to forget, i mean nobody forgets the "rape" of nunking, do they ?:sarcastic:

hell your joint fighter is actually a tri partner plane. russian-chinese-pakistani. the engine is supplied by Russia. Why ? cause in short, chinese engines are JUNK. :sarcastic:
 
dooodooo, who takes you seriously ?

go have a dog meat sandwich and calm down dooodooo.

Meanwhile dooodooo, those Rafales which are hopelessly obsolete will swat those CCP poodles in chinese junk planes sent up by PLaugH. In short, indian rapists will shoot down superior chinese junk and rape those hairless cute chinese. or rape them first and then shoot them down later, whichever. :china:
Yeah yeah Rafale is better than F-22/F-35 and has a coaking device on it and hide it to all electromagnetic waves, your mentality like 4 year old kid who knows nothing about aviation and only come here to troll, you (India) have or going to have will be out of this universe 1000000000 gen a head from rest of the world fighter jets, you have too much false superiority ego over China @Cat Shannon
GAY SHUPA DUPA POWA HIND @Cat Shannon :lol::sarcastic::jester::man_in_love::suicide::suicide2::rofl::enjoy:
 
Yeah yeah Rafale is better than F-22/F-35 and has a coaking device on it and hide it to all electromagnetic waves, your mentality like 4 year old kid who knows nothing about aviation and only come here to troll, you (India) have or going to have will be out of this universe 1000000000 gen a head from rest of the world fighter jets, you have too much false superiority ego over China @Cat Shannon
GAY SHUPA DUPA POWA HIND @Cat Shannon :lol::sarcastic::jester::man_in_love::suicide::suicide2::rofl::enjoy:

stop snorting sugar, kid. honest advice.
 
spoken like a true 50 cent bot.

did you know dooodooo that your motherland China still imports fighter jets from Russia ? Hell, those japanese boot licking colonial habits of chinese must be difficult to forget, i mean nobody forgets the "rape" of nunking, do they ?:sarcastic:

hell your joint fighter is actually a tri partner plane. russian-chinese-pakistani. the engine is supplied by Russia. Why ? cause in short, chinese engines are JUNK. :sarcastic:

Spoken like a true bhakt. Take pride in your indigenous rape capabilities. :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:


Toddler, 2, raped and left for dead beside railway tracks
The girl was kidnapped in Delhi, India, on Saturday and subjected to the degrading ordeal
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  • Updated12:32, 19 NOV 2018
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The vile sex attack happened beside railway tracks in Delhi, India (file image) (Image: AFP/Getty Images)
A two-year-old girl was abducted and raped beside a railway track, and left for dead on Saturday.

The child, who cannot be identified, was gagged and taken away from her parents as they slept just yards away further down the line.

She was raped beside the tracks in Delhi, India.

Passersby later found the toddler lying unconscious, naked and bleeding heavily as trains hurtled past just inches away.

It is said she was rushed to hospital and underwent life-saving surgery.

Now the child is believed to be in a stable condition at another hospital in the city.

A 24-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of rape.

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The toddler was found lying in the dirt beside the tracks (Image: RooM RF)
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Police in India have arrested a 24-year-old man (Image: AFP/Getty Images)
Police continue their investigation.

It comes just days after it emerged a 33-year-old man became the lead suspect in the investigation into the rape of a 16-month-old baby boy .
 
Spoken like a true bhakt. Take pride in your indigenous raping capabilities. :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:


Toddler, 2, raped and left for dead beside railway tracks
The girl was kidnapped in Delhi, India, on Saturday and subjected to the degrading ordeal
  • 11:53, 19 NOV 2018
  • Updated12:32, 19 NOV 2018
News
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The vile sex attack happened beside railway tracks in Delhi, India (file image) (Image: AFP/Getty Images)
A two-year-old girl was abducted and raped beside a railway track, and left for dead on Saturday.

The child, who cannot be identified, was gagged and taken away from her parents as they slept just yards away further down the line.

She was raped beside the tracks in Delhi, India.

Passersby later found the toddler lying unconscious, naked and bleeding heavily as trains hurtled past just inches away.

It is said she was rushed to hospital and underwent life-saving surgery.

Now the child is believed to be in a stable condition at another hospital in the city.

A 24-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of rape.

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The toddler was found lying in the dirt beside the tracks (Image: RooM RF)
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Police in India have arrested a 24-year-old man (Image: AFP/Getty Images)
Police continue their investigation.

It comes just days after it emerged a 33-year-old man became the lead suspect in the investigation into the rape of a 16-month-old baby boy .

Simon Porter has now been added to the Tennessee's Top Ten Most Wanted list.

Lieutenant Blake Grooms, of Lawrenceburg Police, said the little boy was hurt "to the point of permanent damage for the rest of his life."


LMAO. P**I TRIGGERRED. :sarcastic:

Do you know what the japanese did to the mighty chinese at nanking ? i think you can't ever forget that. :rofl:
 

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