China's 3 Most Powerful Dynasties

[nang2]

you are debating with a genius that can not read and write Chinese, and never been to China, but such small obstacles obviously could not hamper him to claim himself as a China expert.

Qin is not a formal country?? That's the best joke of the day!

Qin Shi Huang's policies like 书同文 (standardize writing system)，车同轨 (standardize transportation system)，统一度量衡 (standardize weights and measures), 郡县制 (rule the entire China via provinces and counties), make Qin no doubtfully a formal country. And such policies bring continual benefits to China even today. And that's exactly the reason why Chairman Mao's poem said: 祖龙虽死魂犹在 (Translation: We could still feel the legacy from Qin Shi Huang today, although he has been dead for thousand years)

I don't expect him to know more about Chinese history than what I know about Indian history, which is very limited.

 

[Shotgunner51]

120年前の日本はアジアにヨーロッパ決意離れたので、私たちは日本とアジア人を見てた。確固たる文化継承者ではありません！あなたが発見ヨーロッパ文明の戦艦堅固な大砲がすごいから、捨てたアジア人としての理念。東条英機は、弟の兄の愛に対して、弟が兄のために良いと言っていました。英日英機、私は彼が私たちを目覚めて、私たちは、彼は、私たちを。あなた達の日本人の本質を理解させます。中華名族が台頭する動力を持っている！ありがとうございます！

日本軍国主義は好きじゃないけど、山本五十六に挑戦してアメリカの勇気に挑戦して！少なくとも彼は真の武士は、安倍晋三強すぎて！

私は日本人に対して恨みがありません。でも、アジアは中国には中国、日本じゃない。

私たち中国人は強者を崇拝して、日本人と同様に。

Please post in English whenever possible, or at least add some translation.

 

[Suika]

120年前の日本はアジアにヨーロッパ決意離れたので、私たちは日本とアジア人を見てた。確固たる文化継承者ではありません！あなたが発見ヨーロッパ文明の戦艦堅固な大砲がすごいから、捨てたアジア人としての理念。東条英機は、弟の兄の愛に対して、弟が兄のために良いと言っていました。英日英機、私は彼が私たちを目覚めて、私たちは、彼は、私たちを。あなた達の日本人の本質を理解させます。中華名族が台頭する動力を持っている！ありがとうございます！

日本軍国主義は好きじゃないけど、山本五十六に挑戦してアメリカの勇気に挑戦して！少なくとも彼は真の武士は、安倍晋三強すぎて！

私は日本人に対して恨みがありません。でも、アジアは中国には中国、日本じゃない。

私たち中国人は強者を崇拝して、日本人と同様に。

Look, the google Japanese doesn't come out so well. But well, I'll try to respond.

During the Meiji period, Japan was looking out for itself. That was the kind of world it was. It is important to keep in mind that the Europeans were not a single entity. They competed with each other. Everyone was competing with everyone. The strong made colonies, the weak became colonies. In Asia, Japan competed with the US (Philippines), Russia (Korea, North East China), France (Vietnam), Great Britain (Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Burma, and India), and the Netherlands (Indonesia). That's a scary place.

After WW1, China was still not unified, only real briefly under Yuan Shikai. Although he backed stapped Sun Yat-sen. In order to fight Yuan Shikai, Sun Yat-sen need outside support, and no one would give him major help, so he turned to the Soviet Union for help. So the Soviet Union got their fingers into China by supporting him. And part of that support agreement was to let in the 1st generation of Chinese communist such as Mao and Deng. Sun Yat-sen soon died, and his follower Chiang Kai-shek took over the KMT and shortly after a trip in the SU and working with the Chinese Communist, he reasoned them to be a cancer to China. So he became very much against them.

Anyway, the warlord wars went underway, Japan backed the clique that was in North East China. But that clique suffered a major defeat, and it's economy went bad by 1930. While the Japanese were south in Korea. Everyone seems to forget that the Soviets were north and east. And it was the Soviets that built the railway line in North East China. So when that clique became weak, it's rather reasonable to expect that the Soviets might fill in if the Japanese had not invaded. There was no other Chinese clique strong enough to fill in North East China. So the Japanese went in, well the Japanese Army that is, Tokyo government was still against it.

When all these factors, and many more (I could go on) are considered, I think a view comes out to not take the history so personally. Of course for relations to improve, Japan should still apologize since they did invaded, regardless of the geopolitical situation that was going on. But these days, I think it is the new geopolitical situation that keeps people in China thinking of not letting go of the past.

 

[帅的一匹]

Look, the google Japanese doesn't come out so well. But well, I'll try to respond.

During the Meiji period, Japan was looking out for itself. That was the kind of world it was. It is important to keep in mind that the Europeans were not a single entity. They competed with each other. Everyone was competing with everyone. The strong made colonies, the weak became colonies. In Asia, Japan competed with the US (Philippines), Russia (Korea, North East China), France (Vietnam), Great Britain (Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Burma, and India), and the Netherlands (Indonesia). That's a scary place.

After WW1, China was still not unified, only real briefly under Yuan Shikai. Although he backed stapped Sun Yat-sen. In order to fight Yuan Shikai, Sun Yat-sen need outside support, and no one would give him major help, so he turned to the Soviet Union for help. So the Soviet Union got their fingers into China by supporting him. And part of that support agreement was to let in the 1st generation of Chinese communist such as Mao and Deng. Sun Yat-sen soon died, and his follower Chiang Kai-shek took over the KMT and shortly after a trip in the SU and working with the Chinese Communist, he reasoned them to be a cancer to China. So he became very much against them.

Anyway, the warlord wars went underway, Japan backed the clique that was in North East China. But that clique suffered a major defeat, and it's economy went bad by 1930. While the Japanese were south in Korea. Everyone seems to forget that the Soviets were north and east. And it was the Soviets that built the railway line in North East China. So when that clique became weak, it's rather reasonable to expect that the Soviets might fill in if the Japanese had not invaded. There was no other Chinese clique strong enough to fill in North East China. So the Japanese went in, well the Japanese Army that is, Tokyo government was still against it.

When all these factors, and many more (I could go on) are considered, I think a view comes out to not take the history so personally. Of course for relations to improve, Japan should still apologize since they did invaded, regardless of the geopolitical situation that was going on. But these days, I think it is the new geopolitical situation that keeps people in China thinking of not letting go of the past.

You blasted the Feng-Xi clique leader Chang Tso-Lin to smithering when he refused your excessive requests in Manchu.

 

[Suika]

You blasted the Feng-Xi clique leader Chang Tso-Lin to smithering when he refused your excessive requests in Manchu.

Yeah, they also assassinated the Korean Queen when she wasn't going to go along with the Japanese either. Despite Korea itself having become much more commercially involved with Japan, she still wanted Russia in Korea instead. Ask the Polish, Estonians, Ukrainians, and Finnish about how life was under Russian domination. Realpolitik is a scary place. Such assassinations don't get my support but the geopolitical situation is still as it was.

 

[帅的一匹]

Chang Tso-Lin dealt with Japan for 24 years. Year 1916 when Chang Tso-Lin ruled Mukden serves as time division point. The relationship is divided into two different stages, each stage is 12 years. At the first 12 years Chang Tso-Lin mainly cozied up to the Japanese, while Japanese kept a close eyes on Chang Tso-Lin's loyalty in this period. The later 12 years, Chang Tso-Lin and Japan mainly took advantage of each other, showing the complicated contradictions in the process of using each other. In this period, Chang Tso-Lin tried to get rid of Japanese Control as they ask too much for every assistance. Chang Tso-Lin had enough of Japan's unlimited demand and strong will to dominate the relationship, and decided to resist.

There is no expectation , there is no disappointment. What did Japan want the most? renting land right, railway control right from the hands of ChangTso-Lin; Japan hope Chang only buy Japanese arms, just hired Japanese consultants; hope he could cut off contact with the central government. the implementation of independent of Manchu.....all these unreasonable demand were denied by Chang Tso-Lin.

After failed to foster a puppet in Manchu, the Japanese army decided to invade China by themself.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Sun Yat-sen soon died, and his follower Chiang Kai-shek took over the KMT and shortly after a trip in the SU and working with the Chinese Communist, he reasoned them to be a cancer to China. So he became very much against them

This went more deeply than what the normal history book would tell you, the split of Communist and Chiang was more about the involvement of western imperial powers, Shanghai banking tycoons and internal struggle of Nationalist party. However, as a foreigner, you seem to know a lots about China.

 

[帅的一匹]

This went more deeply than what the normal history book would tell you, the split of Communist and Chiang was more about the involvement of western imperial powers, Shanghai banking tycoons and internal struggle of Nationalist party. However, as a foreigner, you seem know a lots about China.

Chiang don't have faith, he only cares his family business.

But withou Chiang, we might have fallen.

 

[GS Zhou]

This went more deeply than what the normal history book would tell you, the split of Communist and Chiang was more about the involvement of western imperial powers, Shanghai banking tycoons and internal struggle of Nationalist party. However, as a foreigner, you seem know a lots about China.

KMT's internal conflicts is the key. Sun Yat-sen didn't appoint any successor before his sudden death in Beijing. That creates decade-long conflict among Chiang, Hu Hanming (胡汉民) and Wang Jingwei (汪精卫). They all believe themselves as the most suitable successor to Sun. So endless conflicts, even wars among them three, which made China's situation even worse.

 

[Shotgunner51]

China's 3 Most Powerful Dynasties
China's mighty history continues to shape it...

Han Dynasty and Tang Dynasty were continental powers, how about Ming Dynasty which opened a new age in maritime exploration?

The voyages of Zheng He, who was one of the greatest admirals in history. Unlike all the marauding, 15th-17th century European pirates, whom we mythically call “explorers” and “settlers”, the Chinese traded goods, technology and diplomacy everywhere they sailed, not committing genocide, rape, slavery and theft. (Image by Rochester.edu)

 

[Nan Yang]

Five stars!!
五星！

Samsung origin.

 

[Jlaw]

I don't expect him to know more about Chinese history than what I know about Indian history, which is very limited.

Indian history was not long ago. 1947. It's not like you need to go back millennium like
Chinese history

 

[Jlaw]

Han Dynasty and Tang Dynasty were continental powers, how about Ming Dynasty which opened a new age in maritime exploration?

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The voyages of Zheng He, who was one of the greatest admirals in history. Unlike all the marauding, 15th-17th century European pirates, whom we mythically call “explorers” and “settlers”, the Chinese traded goods, technology and diplomacy everywhere they sailed, not committing genocide, rape, slavery and theft. (Image by Rochester.edu)

Was it because Zheng did not plundered caused the emperor to scrap the navy altogether?

 

[GeraltofRivia]

Wait a minute, how can Song Dynasty not be in the list, which is arguably the culture peak of ancient china.

It has the No 1 painting of Chinese history -
Along the River During the Qingming Festival

The most beautiful and valuable porcelain artwork in China's history:
Ru Ware

And the art work from the emperor Huizong -