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China will receive 91pc revenues from Gwadar port for 40 years

Out of so called 'investment' how much is loan and at what interest rate?

Who is laughing now...Chinese ofcourse!




The people that will be laughing the most is the average/poor Pakistani because a large part of that 91% share will be re-invested in CPEC/ the Pakistani economy without it being usurped by corrupt Pakistani officials/Politicians .This will ultimately give Pakistan a world-class infrastructure and high standard of living for ALL Pakistani citizens :azn:.........much to the dismay of our enemies :azn:

Their country. Their logic. Why do we care if they wanna sell out. We have enough problems back in India that happen due to bad planning as well. We need to tackle that rather.



Pakistan must be doing something VERY right when the race which calls for the destruction of the Pakistani race and nation claims we are "Selling Out" :azn:
 
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From the economic perspective its quite narrow minded to just focus on the port revenues. Vast majority of future revenues will come from supporting activities around Gwadar port and the city. Government revenue will come from: selling/leasing land, fees, JV with foreign firms, tax revenue from workers in industrial zones and supporting roles (ie. truck drivers, tradesmen), tax revenue from companies that are involved in the construction and support (food, services, finance, retail) of Gwadar city. The opportunities for revenue is endless when there is an economy.

The goal is to transform Gwadar into a regional trading hub and industrial zone much like Dubai, Shenzhen, and Shanghai.

"For instance, in addition to the preferential policies of reducing or eliminating Customs duties and income tax common to the economic and technological development zones, the state also permits the zone to allow foreign business people to open financial institutions and run tertiary industries." - Shanghai Pudong New Zone
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Gwadar port is important not for its port revenues but for the opportunities it opens up for Pakistan. Be mindful of the bigger picture. The port will attract investment enabling an export driven economy for value added activities and eventually helping Pakistan to be industrially competitive and vertically integrate its supply chain. Workers will get paid and their salaries taxed, workers will buy homes, consume goods and services, new business will start to support the city and access international markets. The port will have a great multiplier effect on the economy.

In the future the easiest way to make money in Gwadar will be in real estate/construction not the port.

Although the port is strategically important, it will play a small role in revenues compared to the Gwadar city project. Despite being the largest port in the world Port of Ningbo-Zhoushan only makes $420 million USD (profit) a year while moving 889 million tonnes of cargo, which is $0.5 USD per ton. At $1.6 billion USD Gwadar will need to ship more than 3.2 billion tons of cargo to break even. Over 40 years Gwadar port will need to ship more than an average of 80 million tonnes a year.

The profit/ton probably already contains the financing costs of the port. If we assume its included then if Gwadar matches Karachi's yearly tonnage of 65 million tons then the profit would be $32.5 million a year. As port technology gets more advanced with greater automation, the cost per ton will decrease further. There are a few berths in Port of Qingdao that's automated (a few people in the control room), currently capable of 1.5 million TEU and 5.2 million TEU in a few years, currently Port of Karachi handles 1.5 million TEU. The more efficient the port the more goods and industry it will attract, seeking high prices from ports will destroy industry.

https://www.porttechnology.org/news/asia_enters_fully_automated_terminal_era
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Karachi

Ports don't make as much money as people think.

https://finance.google.ca/finance?q=SHA:601018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_ports_by_cargo_tonnage

In an efficient industrial system ports are more of a support utility for exports. An efficient port will make Pakistan's exports and Gwadar as a hub a lot more competitive in the global marketplace.
 
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Gwadar is being developed 100% on Chinese own money... the Chinese were given 40 year lease to Build Own Transfer.

Pakistan does not have any loans or debts for Gwadar.

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is the best opportunity start a city from scratch based on the model of Shanghai Free Trade Zone (SFTZ) in Gwadar to interlink the entire region, including Pakistan, Iran, China and Central Asian States.

Win-win

However ... I understand your issue... here is your cure:
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Here educate yourself: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build–operate–transfer
Pakistan does not have a loan for CPEC?

Who don't be laughing at this? Everything is loan
 
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Pakistan does not have a loan for CPEC?

Who don't be laughing at this? Everything is loan

The financing is on a BOT basis which is different from a sovereign loan. The repayment in BOT financing is on the basis of the revenue from the facility and the repayment of loans is from Govt treasury. So this is not a loan against the govt of Pakistan.
 
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Pakistan does not have a loan for CPEC?

Who don't be laughing at this? Everything is loan



A bit like you guys said that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance :lol:

You also laughed at that idea...........but it became a reality. Just as then so is now :azn:
 
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The financing is on a BOT basis which is different from a sovereign loan. The repayment in BOT financing is on the basis of the revenue from the facility and the repayment of loans is from Govt treasury. So this is not a loan against the govt of Pakistan.
Hold on buddy still lots of ifs and buts of deal yet to be released. So u really think this deal is good for Pakistan? And all money spent on gwadar is chinese money. And what ever they earn in 40 years is their return?

They already sanctioned 60 billion dollars worth of loans. Many are transfer of plants from China. And what they use to build is upto the Chinese.

What happened to you guys really

A bit like you guys said that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance :lol:

You also laughed at that idea...........but it became a reality. Just as then so is now :azn:
Both are different altogether. Yiu are comparing nuclear weapons with CPEC!

A bit like you guys said that Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance :lol:

You also laughed at that idea...........but it became a reality. Just as then so is now :azn:
And i see many Pakistanis are now chest thumping about chinese military powers against India's. So u basically agreed to defeat? Think about next generation of Pakistanis growing up under Chinese supremacy. First you lost east Pakistan. Now that new country has more or less equal economy and thriving.

And i for the next 40 years after gwadar starts, you will have to obey to all flimsy and fancies of chinese. I remember pigs character in Angry bird movie. U must check it out on youtube. Abd compare with what China does with all
 
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Hold on buddy still lots of ifs and buts of deal yet to be released. So u really think this deal is good for Pakistan? And all money spent on gwadar is chinese money. And what ever they earn in 40 years is their return?

They already sanctioned 60 billion dollars worth of loans. Many are transfer of plants from China. And what they use to build is upto the Chinese.

What happened to you guys really


Both are different altogether. Yiu are comparing nuclear weapons with CPEC!


And i see many Pakistanis are now chest thumping about chinese military powers against India's. So u basically agreed to defeat? Think about next generation of Pakistanis growing up under Chinese supremacy. First you lost east Pakistan. Now that new country has more or less equal economy and thriving.

And i for the next 40 years after gwadar starts, you will have to obey to all flimsy and fancies of chinese. I remember pigs character in Angry bird movie. U must check it out on youtube. Abd compare with what China does with all



Defeat??????????????......we've been winners since August the 14th 1947 when a Muslim minority was able to dismember, rip, tear and spread open wide the legs of mother india to create Pakistan from conquered indian territory:devil: and there is nothing indian kind can ever do to get that conquered territory back again :chilli:bangladesh is 6× smaller than Pakistan and the bengalis have 0 in common with us. They are situated within indian territory. Their independence was inevitable.

The doubts you are conjecturing with regards to CPEC is EXACTLY the same doubts and dismissals indians expressed as to why Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. indianisms all failed then. Just as then so is now :azn:

PS You are right, CPEC & becoming a nuclear weapons state are 2 different things. Becoming a nuke power was FAR FAR more difficult than CPEC being successful. With the billions the Chinese superpower is pouring into Pakistan every year, the success of CPEC is all but guaranteed :azn:

You know you must be doing something VERY right when an enemy who yearns for the destruction of the Pakistani race and nation is all of sudden concerned with our economic well being and calling us a "colony" of China :lol:
 
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The investment of Gwadar port is 1.6 billion US dollar, roughly 10,000 million RMB, to withdraw the investment in the following 40 years, the average *net profit* per year of Gwadar should be 250 million RMB.

Qingdao (China) port is top 10 port worldwide, 500 million tons of goods are transported via Qingdao port in 2016, its net profit is 2200 million RMB, roughly 4 RMB net profit per ton.

If we take Qingdao port as a reference, this indicate Gwadar need transport 250 / 4 = 60 million tons of goods per year in the 40 years to meet the profit requirement of 250 million RMB per year, this assume Qingdao port and Gwadar has same level of business operation.

The throughput of Karachi port in 2015 is roughly 44 million tons, we can see that it's not easy for Gwadar port to meet the bar of 60 million tons throughput in the near future, it's estimated that Gwadar port has no profit in the first 5 years operation.

The port itself is not a cash cow as somebody think, e.g. the port in Greek had been losing money before China took over it. Gwadar port is primarily a facility for development of Balochistan, without industry support, it's no chance to withdraw the investment, so I estimate that there will be oil refine, mining, probably automobile factory etc open in this region, otherwise it hardly can support high throughput of goods. The port itself may not earn, however the compound effect it bring into this region is significant.
 
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And, China has now more motivation to bypass Malacca straight as much as possible!!!! Bad news for the India!!!!!!

Sorry, how far is Gwader from India? If India were to block China at malacca straits, it could easily block Gwader too.

The investment of Gwadar port is 1.6 billion US dollar, roughly 10,000 million RMB, to withdraw the investment in the following 40 years, the average *net profit* per year of Gwadar should be 250 million RMB.

Qingdao (China) port is top 10 port worldwide, 500 million tons of goods are transported via Qingdao port in 2016, its net profit is 2200 million RMB, roughly 4 RMB net profit per ton.

If we take Qingdao port as a reference, this indicate Gwadar need transport 250 / 4 = 60 million tons of goods per year in the 40 years to meet the profit requirement of 250 million RMB per year, this assume Qingdao port and Gwadar has same level of business operation.

The throughput of Karachi port in 2015 is roughly 44 million tons, we can see that it's not easy for Gwadar port to meet the bar of 60 million tons throughput in the near future, it's estimated that Gwadar port has no profit in the first 5 years operation.

The port itself is not a cash cow as somebody think, e.g. the port in Greek had been losing money before China took over it. Gwadar port is primarily a facility for development of Balochistan, without industry support, it's no chance to withdraw the investment, so I estimate that there will be oil refine, mining, probably automobile factory etc open in this region, otherwise it hardly can support high throughput of goods. The port itself may not earn, however the compound effect it bring into this region is significant.

But Pakistanis on the other thread were boasting about transporting 400 million tonnes of goods through Gwader and that entire Chinese trade with middle east and possibly the world shifting to this port. I want to know your understanding of the claim.
 
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Sorry, how far is Gwader from India? If India were to block China at malacca straits, it could easily block Gwader too.



But Pakistanis on the other thread were boasting about transporting 400 million tonnes of goods through Gwader and that entire Chinese trade with middle east and possibly the world shifting to this port. I want to know your understanding of the claim.

I have explained very clearly that it's not easy for Gwadar port itself to become profitable,
the primary goal of Gwadar port is for development of Balochistan. If the industry parks can boom as expected, Gwadar has the potential to become a logistic hub for their transportation to Middle East and Africa, India. 40 years is a long time, many things can change. Gwadar can become another Dubai or remain as a small town, it's up to Pakistan to grasp this opportunity, the investment from China is only a catalyst, China can take the risk to walk the first step to do Pakistan a favor, however how far can Gwadar march, it's up to the Pakistan government and its people.

I'm personally optimistic about the future of Gwadar port, it has a good geographic position, a gateway to Iran, Arab, East Africa and India, the only concern is stability of politics in Pakistan.
 
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I have explained very clearly that it's not easy for Gwadar port itself to become profitable,
the primary goal of Gwadar port is for development of Balochistan. If the industry parks can boom as expected, Gwadar has the potential to become a logistic hub for their transportation to Middle East and Africa, India. 40 years is a long time, many things can change. Gwadar can become another Dubai or remain as a small town, it's up to Pakistan to grasp this opportunity, the investment from China is only a catalyst, China can take the risk to walk the first step to do Pakistan a favor, however how far can Gwadar march, it's up to the Pakistan government and its people.

I'm personally optimistic about the future of Gwadar port, it has a good geographic position, a gateway to Iran, Arab, East Africa and India, the only concern is stability of politics in Pakistan.

Thank you. I second your opinion. But I have come across Pakistanis in this forum who claim China is going to do all its trade through this port and entire CPEC loan is going to paid off through toll taxes. Thats some wishful thinking.
 
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Sorry, how far is Gwader from India? If India were to block China at malacca straits, it could easily block Gwader too.



But Pakistanis on the other thread were boasting about transporting 400 million tonnes of goods through Gwader and that entire Chinese trade with middle east and possibly the world shifting to this port. I want to know your understanding of the claim.


No worries. india can't because China/Pakistan has the weapons and technology to "unblock" indian intrusions with ease :azn: Our claims that the profit we will make via Gwadar is ridiculous? Funny that, indians claimed EXACTLY the same with regards to Pakistan becoming a nuclear weapons state......:azn:
 
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Defeat??????????????......we've been winners since August the 14th 1947 when a Muslim minority was able to dismember, rip, tear and spread open wide the legs of mother india to create Pakistan from conquered indian territory:devil: and there is nothing indian kind can ever do to get that conquered territory back again :chilli:bangladesh is 6× smaller than Pakistan and the bengalis have 0 in common with us. They are situated within indian territory. Their independence was inevitable.

The doubts you are conjecturing with regards to CPEC is EXACTLY the same doubts and dismissals indians expressed as to why Pakistan would NEVER EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. indianisms all failed then. Just as then so is now :azn:

PS You are right, CPEC & becoming a nuclear weapons state are 2 different things. Becoming a nuke power was FAR FAR more difficult than CPEC being successful. With the billions the Chinese superpower is pouring into Pakistan every year, the success of CPEC is all but guaranteed :azn:

You know you must be doing something VERY right when an enemy who yearns for the destruction of the Pakistani race and nation is all of sudden concerned with our economic well being and calling us a "colony" of China :lol:

All this self realisation will be out of doubts in few years.

So called 6 times the size of Pakistan. GDP is just below 6 times the size of Bangladesh.

So called minority community in India was those who ruled India now left with Pakistan and Bangladesh.

LOL get some Apple fizz and chilax

For Gwadar Port.. the thread is about Gwadar Port .. my response was about Gwadar.. Can't you read Gwadar as the thread title. Where did I say CPEC?

@4GTejasBVR

:enjoy: dude whole CPEC is because of Gwadar port sold out to China. From when Gwadar was not part of CPEC
 
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