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China's missing trillions

Economists have known for years that China's official economic data was full of inconsistencies, but new data shows that the gap between what is real and what is reported could be very wide indeed. And the good news is that the structural imbalance thought to exist in China's economy between exports and domestic consumption, might not be as severe as we thought.

Last week JPMorgan’s chief Asian and emerging market strategist Jonathan Garner visited Hong Kong to launch the group’s Asian/global emerging markets equity strategy, entitled 2010 Outlook: Headwinds Building But Further Upside Likely. In the report, Morgan Stanley suggests that China’s 2008 GDP figures could out by $US1.25 trillion – but not in the direction most economists would suppose.

China's official GDP estimate was around $US4.4 trillion for 2008 GDP, but Morgan Stanley’s estimate is more like $US5.7 trillion – an astonishing 30 per cent higher. Garner also suggests that total per capita spending of $US1,221, is actually, more like $2,183 (79 per cent higher).

Garner’s premise for this theory stems primarily from the idea that GDP is extremely difficult to calculate, especially in an economy as big as China’s.

“It [GDP] is subject to a lot of statistical inference and estimation and particularly in emerging markets, where private sector services activities of all forms, be it offering a haircut service or a car or offering, let’s say, English language tuition, all of these things that might be going in China at the moment – you have to have the statistical agency to capture it,” he said at the conference. He is essentially suggesting leakage of some spending on service-related industries.

He also points to the auto and white-goods booms of 2009. “If the stated incomes in China are correct, the official incomes, you shouldn’t have had China becoming the world’s largest auto market last year. That degree of auto sales shouldn’t have occurred, so the only conclusion must be that the incomes are understated,” he said.

The good news is that if Garner is right and his figures are closer to the real picture of what’s going on in China then the structural imbalance in the economy, between exports and domestic demand, is not as severe as market-watchers may have thought.

But the reasons for the inaccuracies might not just be as simple as GDP being hard to calculate. In a recent interview with Business Spectator, David O’Rear, chief economist of the Hong Kong General Chamber of Commerce, said that China's GDP figures have a twenty per cent margin of error. He suggests the problem is caused not only by the data being difficult to manage, but also because of political manipulation in certain areas.

China, politically, is very target-oriented. There are targets for just about everything, from production to efficiency, wind power to waste water. Not meeting those targets can be very embarrassing indeed when you’re in a developed economy like Australia or the US with scathingly critical media and looming elections.

But it is inconceivable that Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao would endure the sort of public criticism that would occur if a western leader failed to meet his or her economic targets. But that’s a bit of a non-issue, because as it happens, the targets always seem to get met.

High-profile China commentator Gordon Chang has also suggested political pressure is in part to blame for the China's skewed statistics, saying that China's government believes the maintenance of the appearance of a vibrant economy is necessary to act as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Calling on China to increase domestic consumption based on figures that may be incorrect, as the US has done, is not the most constructive way to approach this issue. While some of the political hurdles might be more problematic, developed economies would do better to bring pressure to bear on China – through research, trade, government and diplomatic channels – to improve the statistical infrastructure in place to gather this data, and indeed offering any support or expertise that may benefit its development and improve our true picture of what's really going on in China.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...markets-pd20100215-2P8WC?OpenDocument&src=sph

Whether there is enough wisdom to meet the requirements of the parties, the key lies in China's strength. The United States is a strength of the supremacy of the State, and now continue with the policy of the past, just because your strength is not enough. So.
 
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US meals are fairly good cooked than the pakistani ones...

India had pay her price for 1962 war. Several warning were given to India not to go for foward policy! India was burned for feigning ignorant to the warning.

Please do not drag Pakistan to this.
 
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US meals are fairly good cooked than the pakistani ones...

India itself to meet the like, sufficient. Even if the United States hopes that China's involvement in South Asia, as long as you like to in the White House for dinner,It is ok.
 
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India had pay her price for 1962 war. Several warning were given to India not to go for foward policy! India was burned for feigning ignorant to the warning.

Please do not drag Pakistan to this.

And you were suggesting others not to troll. Huh?? :tsk:
 
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India had pay her price for 1962 war. Several warning were given to India not to go for foward policy! India was burned for feigning ignorant to the warning.

Please do not drag Pakistan to this.

Well, then 1962 is the time when India was new, was war stricken, 1962 India did not enough troops,no weapons..... But now?? We are a lot better, now I dont think china can even do anything more than writing china on stones inside Indian side and run back home...

gone are those days when India Was defense less, now we have one of the best forces in the world...

Have you heard of mayavati , that one lady is enough for u:lol:
 
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Why Indians are always enthusiastic about? China is really not much attention for India, peaceful life, it is OK?
 
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MIGHTY china , needs no help from US , infact it has been helping US thru its economic blunder by purchasing its bonds to prevent Millions of people from becoming homeless

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Infact it was OBAMA who visited China to learn how they handled their financial crisis....

To which the chinese leaders responded and they told him


Look , china go no war with neighbour , if neighbour bad evil water/land stealer we got problem but we don't invade other country and call it our own , and we don't start wars...

See there thats Tiwan , its our part of country just ppl are confused ... don't give them weapons they cause problems
Obama when learning the secret came back , and told every one to pull out at once
 
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Well, then 1962 is the time when India was new, was war stricken, 1962 India did not enough troops,no weapons..... But now?? We are a lot better, now I dont think china can even do anything more than writing china on stones inside Indian side and run back home...

gone are those days when India Was defense less, now we have one of the best forces in the world...

Have you heard of mayavati , that one lady is enough for u:lol:

Sir, could you specify that you are a lot better in what?:blink: In paper futrue plan?
 
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Well, then 1962 is the time when India was new, was war stricken, 1962 India did not enough troops,no weapons..... But now?? We are a lot better, now I dont think china can even do anything more than writing china on stones inside Indian side and run back home...

gone are those days when India Was defense less, now we have one of the best forces in the world...

Have you heard of mayavati , that one lady is enough for u:lol:

Stop giving excuse for your failure!

Who is the *****? We will kill the ***** anyway!
 
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Stop giving excuse for your failure!

Who is the *****? We will kill the ***** anyway!

We ourselves Are trying for that, how on earth are you gonna do that, it would be a good favour if you do that for us....
 
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This is just a blabber filled with ignorance & uncertainty. You have failed to come up with something solid & conclusive. Go read the article I posted above. China needs US more than US needs China. No use even if you up the ante about anything US does. They pi$$ed on your warnings on Dalai Lama, Taiwan & Google. Maximum you can say that such hard statements are coming for Chinese internal consumption, so that the government appears like doing something.

At least, we claimed our stand, warned them and sanctioned the company related to selling arm to TAIWAN. Could you tell me is there another country in the world can do the same thing to US as china did?

PS: We are not soft nation like some south-asian country.:lol:
 
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