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China’s push for self-reliance in semiconductors suffered two embarrassing reversals this week as one of the nation’s most high-profile chipmakers was taken over by municipal authorities in its home city of Wuhan, and a second chipmaker, affiliated with prestigious Tsinghua University in Beijing, defaulted on a corporate bond.

On Wednesday, the South China Morning Post, citing Chinese corporate registration records, reported that authorities in Wuhan’s Dongxihu district have seized control of Wuhan Hongxin Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (HSMC) following months of delays in the construction of a $20 billion semiconductor manufacturing plant that was to have been one of the most advanced in China.


Construction at the plant has been stalled since August; the facility appears not to have produced much of anything. The company’s chief executive has resigned and fled the country. The local government’s plans for the plant and sorting out the company’s debt obligations remain unclear.

News of HSMC’s travails came two days after a prominent Chinese credit rating agency declared that Tsinghua Unigroup, 51% owned by Tsinghua University-controlled Tsinghua Holdings, had defaulted on a privately-placed domestic bond worth $197 million. Unigroup owns one of China’s biggest mobile chip designers and controls Yangtze Memory Technologies Co. in Wuhan, which makes flash memories. Unigroup’s financial woes puzzled analysts because the company has enjoyed generous state-backing in years past; in 2015, Unigroup made headlines by attempting a $23 billion takeover of U.S. memory-chip maker Micron Technology.

Stumbles at HSMC and Unigroup highlight how difficult it will be for Beijing to realize its goal of achieve self-sufficiency in semiconductors by 2030.


China is the world’s largest consumer of semiconductors. It is expected to spend more than $300 billion on importing semiconductors this year—about $60 billion more than it spent last year on imports of crude oil. In 2019, China produced only 16% of the semiconductors it consumed domestically.

That dependence on foreign chipmakers has long been source of anxiety for China’s leaders. And it has become a national emergency over the past year as the Trump administration imposed a series of harsh measures designed to ban companies from both the U.S. and its trading parters from selling semiconductors or chip-making technology to China.

Beijing has lavished subsidies on home-grown chipmakers—mostly to no avail. In 2014, China announced a National Integrated Circuit Plan promising to spend $150 billion to expand local semiconductor manufacturing. Eliminating China’s dependence on foreign suppliers for key technologies like semiconductors is a central focus of China’s 14th Five-Year Plan drafted in Beijing last month.



And yet China’s leading chipmakers, by most estimates, remain five to ten years behind the most advanced fabrication facilities in Taiwan, South Korea, and the U.S. “Today, China has no leading-edge semiconductor manufacturing facility,” declare Justin Hodiak and Scott W. Harold of the RAND Corp., who note that China’s most modern foundry, at Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) in Shanghai, only began production for creating chips from the 14 nanometer technology node in late 2019—at least two generations, behind the leading edge foundries run by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. (TSMC), Samsung, and Intel.
S&P Global Market Intelligence estimates Chinese semiconductor companies have raised the equivalent of nearly $38 billion so far this year through public offerings, private placements, and asset sales. The Wall Street Journal reports that more than 50,000 Chinese companies have registered their businesses as related to semiconductors this year, a record that is four times the total from five years ago.
But many of these would-be chipmakers have no experience with the industry and are piling in from unrelated sectors like real-estate, cement, and agriculture to qualify for the latest round of tax breaks and government subsidies. HSMC isn’t the first multi-billion dollar China-based chip-making venture to go belly up—there have been at least two more this year—and almost certainly won’t be the last.

It would be foolish to suggest that China’s drive to become self-sufficient in semiconductors can’t succeed, but the evidence to date suggests this isn’t an industry that plays to China’s economic strengths.

https://fortune.com/2020/11/19/china-make-own-chips-failure/
 
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And yet China’s leading chipmakers, by most estimates, remain five to ten years behind the most advanced fabrication facilities in Taiwan, South Korea, and the U.S.
The US doesn't belong to this group of leading fabs.

The fully-independent Chinese line at 28 nm process is almost ready and will start producing chips in 2021. No other country in the world has a fab which is 100% technologically made by that particular country's technology. China is first.

What's more 14 nm process, by SMIC which soon will start producing at 7nm is not fully independent, but is getting more and more self-sufficient.
 
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The US doesn't belong to this group of leading fabs.


What's more 14 nm process, by SMIC which soon will start producing at 7nm is not fully independent, but is getting more and more self-sufficient.
It depend on US still selling key production equipment to SMIC to make 14nm chips or not. If u forgot, let me remind u that SMIC even stop selling chips to Huawei to avoid US's anger.
 
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It depend on US still selling key production equipment to SMIC to make 14nm chips or not. If u forgot, let me remind u that SMIC even stop selling chips to Huawei to avoid US's anger.

US sells the most replaceable pieces of equipment: the CVD and PVD reactors.

The least replaceable - lithography - is not US technology.
Intels 10nm technology is widely regarded as comparable to TSMCs 7nm technology. SMIC is 2 generations behind Intel/Samsung and 3 behind TSMC.

Who told you Intel was shipping 10 nm?



They might even go fabless before they ship 10 nm as their failure is costing billions.
 
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None of US fab has arrived on 7nm production, while SMIC has.

It suggest that US should be behind China.
Thats not how it works

Two vaguely related anecdotes that happen every other weekend in the USA = China behind
No US propaganda spoonfeeding low IQ retards with onesided negative stories about the USA = USA ahead
Then you insert your specific topic into the conclusion you already had drawn before your found some anecdotal evidence fitting into your narrative.
 
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Thats not how it works

Two vaguely related anecdotes that happen every other weekend in the USA = China behind
No US propaganda spoonfeeding low IQ retards with onesided negative stories about the USA = USA ahead
Then you insert your specific topic into the conclusion you already had drawn before your found some anecdotal evidence fitting into your narrative.

All you have to know about this guy are 3 terms:

1. Enron
2. Theranos
3. 2008
 
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US sells the most replaceable pieces of equipment: the CVD and PVD reactors.

I know you know you're lying...and yet you lie just to save face. You're better than that...

As an example tell us all of a non-US origin replaceable EUV light source at the heart of ASML's lithography machines.
 
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I know you know you're lying...and yet you lie just to save face. You're better than that...

As an example tell us all of a non-US origin replaceable EUV light source at the heart of ASML's lithography machines.

That's not the entire equipment, just a component, and ASML owns the IP.

Otherwise, it is true that there are multiple competitors to LAM and AMAT. They're big, but not monopolies. If US was so irreplacable then why is ASML in Netherlands and there's no competitor in the US? What is the US lithography company?
 
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That's not the entire equipment, just a component, and ASML owns the IP.

Otherwise, it is true that there are multiple competitors to LAM and AMAT. They're big, but not monopolies. If US was so irreplacable then why is ASML in Netherlands and there's no competitor in the US? What is the US lithography company?

Still US Origin and subject to export controls. You know nothing about Dutch tax laws, if you did you'd know that many US origin IP is owned by Dutch or Irish legal entities - since the IP is US origin it is under US export controls but outside Federal and State Tax regimes. The EUV/DUV light source is the crown jewel of ASML Lithography. There is no ASML Lithography without CYMER.
 
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Still US Origin and subject to export controls. You know nothing about Dutch tax laws, if you did you'd know that many US origin IP is owned by Dutch or Irish legal entities - since the IP is US origin it is under US export controls but outside Federal and State Tax regimes. The EUV/DUV light source is the crown jewel of ASML Lithography. There is no ASML Lithography without CYMER.

ASML was around long before Cymer and even Cymer has competitors for i.e. discharge EUV sources. They have a higher yield laser source for now but whose to say nobody will make a better laser source later, or a discharge source, or a cyclotron source?
 
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ASML was around long before Cymer and even Cymer has competitors for i.e. discharge EUV sources. They have a higher yield laser source for now but whose to say nobody will make a better laser source later, or a discharge source, or a cyclotron source?

CYMER was the sole supplier for ASML. Yup pretty much no one has come close to CYMER, besides CYMER was just one of the many examples of US Origin tech to debunk your US origin tech has alternatives theory.
 
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CYMER was the sole supplier for ASML. Yup pretty much no one has come close to CYMER, besides CYMER was just one of the many examples of US Origin tech to debunk your US origin tech has alternatives theory.

 
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Why is it "China bad" when a business folds? The number of pureplay fabs has been steadily reducing in the past 20 years, and yet the industry is more in demand than ever. China's existing fabs are growing both in numbers and capabilities, not shrinking. I don't see you getting your vagina wet when a fab in Europe or US folds.

Double standard much?
 
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