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China to Trounce U.S. in Next Decade

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The Western financial crisis heralded a significant shift in the balance of power between the United States and China. Most starkly, it brought forward the date when the Chinese economy will overtake the US economy in size from 2027 (the Goldman Sachs projection in 2005) to 2020. The reason is simple: while the US economy is around the same size as it was in 2008, with the prospect of perhaps a decade of very weak growth ahead, the Chinese economy has continued to grow at around 9 percent and future economic growth is likely to be in the region of 8 percent. While 2027 sounded sufficiently far in the future to sound speculative, 2020, in contrast, is less than a decade away and feels much more like an extension of the present. The rise of China and the decline of the United States is becoming more tangible by the year.

Significant landmarks are happening thick and fast: in 2010, China overtook Germany to become the world’s largest exporter; in the same year it overtook Japan to become the world’s second-largest economy; at the beginning of 2011, it overtook the United States to become the world’s largest manufacturing nation, a position the United States had held for 110 years; in 2020, if not earlier, it will overtake the United States to become the world’s largest economy; and perhaps not too long afterwards, when the renminbi is finally made convertible, the latter will replace the dollar as the world’s leading reserve currency. With each landmark we move a little further away from a world shaped by the United States and toward one shaped by China.

There has been a strong tendency in the West to see this world in narrowly economic terms, with China assuming similar characteristics as the United States during the process of its rise and the global furniture that we are familiar with remaining little changed. This is to greatly underestimate the nature and import of China’s rise. It will not even be true economically. When China overtakes the United States, it will still be both a developed and a developing economy; it will continue to be a huge trading nation, on a far greater scale than the United States; and it will be far more orientated towards the developing world, to which it presently sends over half its exports, than Washington has been.

Nor will the international financial system remain more or less unchanged. The only way that the IMF and the World Bank will survive China’s rise to economic ascendancy is if they come to reflect the new configuration of global economic power: in other words, if, in time, China comes to call the shots in the IMF. But even in this eventuality, it is entirely possible that the IMF will be effectively replaced by a different kind of body, one more in line with Chinese interests and aspirations, along with those of other developing countries like India. In this context, it should be noted that already, in 2009-10, the China Development Bank and the China Exim Bank between them lent more to the developing world than the World Bank, which suggests that the latter could, within a decade or so, become increasingly marginalized. Then factor in the renminbi as the dominant world currency, with Shanghai replacing New York as the global financial centre, and we are clearly looking at a very different world economic order.

Furthermore, the accompanying geopolitical and cultural changes are likely to be even more profound. China may have called itself a nation-state for the last century, but it remains primarily a civilization-state, as it has been for more than two millennia. Whereas the Western sense of identity is overwhelmingly shaped by their history as nation-states, the Chinese sense of identity is rooted in and shaped by their civilizational past. It is impossible to comprehend the very distinctive nature of the Chinese state, and the roots of its legitimacy, or similarly distinctive Chinese attitudes towards race, otherwise. Likewise, to make sense of China’s rapidly changing relationship with East Asia, it is necessary to take account of the tributary system which was the organizing basis of China’s relations with its neighbors for thousands of years until around a century ago. Indeed, China’s present claim on the Spratly and Paracel Islands in the South China Sea, which is based on inter-temporal law rather than territorial water law, derives directly from its history as a civilization-state. Those who believe that China’s rise to global hegemony will in practice change little can only hold to this view by ignoring China’s quite different history to that of the West.

Will this Chinese world be better or worse than the Western-made world we are familiar with? In one very important sense it will be better: while the West has never represented much more than a sliver of humanity, China and India between them constitute 38 percent of the world’s population. Their rise represents a huge rough and ready democratization of the world. Nor should we fear this world because it will be so unfamiliar to us. We need to understand and embrace it: the sooner the better, because, willy-nilly, we have no choice. In time it will come to pass.

Commentary: China to Trounce U.S. in Next Decade | The National Interest
 
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The guy's a tool that lacks critical thinking.

:edit: or he's being sensationalist to sell himself. I think the latter.
 
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thanks, very good reading.

the US has extend its trade and prosperity to western nations and Japan,

but China will spread the development welfare to every corner of the world, with more harmony and less aggression.

I very much agree with that. thanks for sharing.
 
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The guy's a tool that lacks critical thinking.

:edit: or he's being sensationalist to sell himself. I think the latter.

sore grapes.

how to explain even now China lend more to the developing countries than the World Bank does, the Agency controlled by your country, the mighty US?

your aim is to sacrifice the other part of the world to benefit your own country, and your allies to the best.
 
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I think China is trying to help US by keeping it from going bankrupt the least American can do is say the Magic word " Thank you"
 
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they won't. because they are desperately keeping their rule over the third world nations.

India as the second populous country should pal with the third world instead of teaming with the US to exploit the world poors, which India itself is.

if you guys spend less time badmouthing Pakistan.
 
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they won't. because they are desperately keeping their rule over the third world nations.

India as the second populous country should pal with the third world instead of teaming with the US to exploit the world poors, which India itself is.

if you guys spend less time badmouthing Pakistan.

India exploits the world's poor but itself is the greatest victim of exploitation.

India subsidizes cheap but smart BS level engineers for the West through IIT which is the greatest theft of human resources from a country in the history of the world. Of course the white bosses who control the patents are all Western educated MBAs. This is while millions of Indian children are still starving and illiterate.
 
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sore grapes.

how to explain even now China lend more to the developing countries than the World Bank does, the Agency controlled by your country, the mighty US?

your aim is to sacrifice the other part of the world to benefit your own country, and your allies to the best.
May be it is pay back time since China has been a recipient of the World Bank...

World Bank, France lend China $900M for rebuilding - USATODAY.com
BEIJING (AP) — The World Bank and France have agreed to lend China more than $900 million to rebuild areas devastated by a massive earthquake earlier this year, state media reported Sunday.
The official Xinhua News Agency said the World Bank will provide a loan of $710 million to China -- $510 million of which will be allocated to southwestern Sichuan province, hardest hit by the May 12 quake that left nearly 90,000 people dead or missing.

The rest will go to neighboring Gansu province, Xinhua said, citing Ede Ijjasz, a World Bank manager for China and Mongolia. Xinhua said the loans still need board approval by the international lending institution in December.

The money will be used for the construction of roads, bridges, water pipelines, hospitals and child care facilities, the report said.

The French Development Agency, meanwhile, will lend China $200 million for reconstruction of urban infrastructure and rural houses in the quake zone, Xinhua said.

Last month, Chinese media reported that the government has raised about a quarter of the nearly $250 billion it needs to rebuild after the earthquake, which destroyed roads, knocked down buildings, left thousands of schools in piles of rubble and destroyed the homes of millions of people.

World Bank Says It Will Lend China $168.4 Million - Orlando Sentinel
January 13, 1991
The World Bank announced $168.4 million in loans on Friday to improve living conditions in three Chinese cities.

President Bush has urged the bank to lend to China only for basic human needs. The United States has the largest share of votes among the 154 governments that own the bank, but it does not have a veto on loans, which are approved at closed meetings.

Barbara Clay, a Treasury spokeswoman, declined to say how the U.S. representative had voted. But one official, who asked not to be identified, said the American had abstained.
 
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And when you ungrateful viets are ready to pay back Hongkong China for the 1.16 billion spent on feeding you criminals for more than two decades? Have some shame and be grateful to who had saved you viet criminals from ending up as "fish food" or some entertainments from the pirates. :lol:
Vietnamese Refugees in Hong Kong
 
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that's far fetched logic.

by the way, I'd like to have your comment on what AZADPAKISTAN2009 mentioned above, " the Americans at least should say THANK YOU to China for not letting your country broke, and you enjoy sitting in your office posting this far fetched trolling reason...
 
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that's far fetched logic.

by the way, I'd like to have your comment on what AZADPAKISTAN2009 mentioned above, " the Americans at least should say THANK YOU to China for not letting your country broke, and you enjoy sitting in your office posting this far fetched trolling reason...
You tried to portray China as some kind of benefactor to the world but ignorant that China was the World Bank's aid recipient several times and that galled you. As for China supposedly helping US? Please...Without US, China would still be in that communist dug economic hellhole. The 'thank you' should be the other way around.
 
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I don't support or not-support your comments here.

One thing that is clear is that USA is on a constant decline and at the very same time China is on a constant rise.

Power is shifting from West to East and the American hatred for China is certainly not going to help.


The day US starts pulling it's forward deployed forces, just like Spain did, British did, French did in their declining days, would be the day you will actually see peace in the world.
 
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That is very good. We can see that you are studying the history of institutionalized slavery so China can be that master Asian race like the Yamato once aspired to be.

I have an interest in the US civil war and read about it in free times at work. General Lee was such a tragic figure, outsmarting the Union several times including at the 7 days battle and 2nd Bull Run, yet still losing the war due to being crushed by Union industry. Even today the sovereign nation of the Confederate States of America is being occupied under the Union boot. Many Confederate Americans fly only the Confederate flag.

Back then, there were also field slaves. Many house slaves looked down on field slaves, and even worse, looked down on free Africans. They believed that Masta and Missus gave them civilization and religion, while field slaves had no time to absorb such "white" things, being forced to labor in the fields, never mind free Africans. The house slaves were sometimes appointed to watch over the field slaves, and though they and the field slaves shared the same skin color, the house slaves sometimes were the cruelist overseers of all, even crueler than Masta and Missus.
 
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