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China to slow down speed of bullet trains

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/7349743.html April 14, 2011

China's high-speed railways will run at a slower speed than previously expected, according to the newly appointed railways minister.

In an interview with People's Daily published on Wednesday, Sheng Guangzu, who took on the role on Feb 25 replacing former railways minister Liu Zhijun, said high-speed trains will run at 300 kilometers per hour starting from July 1, instead of the previously announced 350 km/h.

The change to the country's high-speed rail network was made after Liu stepped down when he became the subject of an investigation for an alleged "severe violation of discipline" on Feb 12.

Sheng said in the interview that only the four east-west and four north-south artery lines of the high-speed rail network will carry trains at 300 km/h.

The inter-city lines that usually connect major centers within regions should be operated at between 200 and 250 km/h, while most railways in central and western China will operate at less than 200 km/h.

To placate passengers who complain they are forced to ride on high-speed trains and pay more because the ministry canceled slower trains, he said there will be other options. For example, the 300-km/h lines will also operate bullet trains at between 200 and 250 km/h.

The new policy is a change from the one publicized during Liu's time.

Previously, China was expecting to build a high-speed rail network with an operational speed of 350 km/h or more.

The landmark Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway was built to run trains at 380 km/h that could compete with airlines. But Sheng did not say whether the line will still run that fast when it opens in June.

Zhao Jian, a transport professor at Beijing Jiaotong University, told China Daily that the speeds should have been slower right from the start.

"Because, at 300 km/h or less, the high-speed rail network can operate in a more economically efficient and safer way," he said.

The energy consumption of trains at 350 km/h could be twice that of trains at 200 km/h, he explained.

For passengers, a lowered speed could mean a cut in ticket prices in the future.

Wang Yongping, spokesman for the ministry, said on Wednesday that the lowering of the operational speed will "provide a bigger price-float range", without elaborating.

Ha Yanmei, who commutes between Beijing and Tianjin every weekend, said the ticket price for high-speed trains should drop along with the speed.

"Otherwise, I will feel I am cheated by the ministry," she said.

As for concerns about whether railway construction will also slow down, Sheng said such work between 2011 and 2015 will be rolled out fast across the country, with an investment of 2.8 trillion yuan ($428 billion) allocated for it.

As planned, the country's railway network will stretch to 120,000 km by the end of 2015, up from the current 91,000 km, he said.

But he stressed that priority will be given to ongoing projects to make sure they have enough funds for construction to be completed, and emphasis will be given to projects that are in urgent demand because of economic development.

Zhao said the arrangement could mean some projects might be cut or postponed.

"In addition to cutting some projects, the ministry should also adjust some ongoing projects as well," he said, adding that the planned 350-km/h railway between Xi'an and Urumqi should be built to operate at 200 km/h.

The ministry also plans to ask passengers to provide their real names when buying bullet train tickets starting June 1.

From the end of June, the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway will be the first line in China to start selling tickets online. Online sales will be extended to other lines at the end of this year.

Source: Xinhua
 
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the article states high prices.

i remember in an argument with Martian I asked him back then about the pretty high ticket rates,i wondered who is gona board those trains when they can save more time by getting a flight with just paying a little more bucks.

One of the prime reason High speed railway is not a possibility in India right now is the high ticket prices according to a survey by Indian railways,I dont think people here in India an afford it,though not completely aware of Chinese situation.

the main problem for india to built HSR is not the high price but india does not have that industrial capability to do so. only industrial super powers like US. Japan, and Germany is able to do so. just look at india's current rail industry u can get the full picture``
 
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350kmph is still a safe speed.could it make the price down without slow down the speed?:hitwall:
About 200kmph is just ok for the short distance trip,but when it comes to the long distance,above 300kmph should be necessary. that will save a lot of time.:what:
 
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:coffee: Indians do not understand what is the problem, Because they don't understand a socialist countries.

Yes, China Railways-Department must be spin-down, and they cannot be substantially lower prices. Do you know why?
Because, If Railways-Department do not do that, China Aviation-Department will be crazy.

350 km/h, If you consider the time to the airport, high-speed rail travel faster than air travel, And high-speed rail travel more comfortable than air travel.
If the high-speed rail ticket lower than the plane ticket, China Aviation-Department will be crazy.
 
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Airlines edged out by Wuhan-Nanjing trainsBy Zhao Chunzhe (chinadaily.com.cn)
Updated: 2011-03-31 17:07

The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has decided to suspend all flights on the Wuhan to Nanjing route from March 27, due to fierce competition from high-speed trains, the Wuhan Evening News reported Thursday.
The bullet train, which has a speed of 250 kilometers per hour, makes the trip in three hours. The almost-full high-speed train runs that route three times a day and costs 180 yuan ($27) for second class seats. The full price of an air ticket is 730 yuan ($108), which means the airline is flying on deficits with half-empty shuttles.
Facing the fierce competition, the airline cut their prices as much as 80 percent, but the distance between the airport and downtown area still makes it less popular. For a while, only about 30 passengers were on board.
With the completion of the Nanjing South Station connecting to Beijing and Shanghai, the high-speed link between Wuhan and Nanjing will soon increase. The airline finally decided to drop the route.
Shuttle buses also face tough competition. A bus driver admitted that the number of passengers on the Wuhan-Nanjing route these days is zero. The bus company said its passengers have decreased 200,000 per year, resulting in a direct loss of 30 million yuan ($4.4 million).
The passengers can take advantage of the competition. They can choose how to travel with more flexibility. Flying can save time, while high-speed trains are punctual and long-distance buses more economical, the report said.

the article states high prices.

i remember in an argument with Martian I asked him back then about the pretty high ticket rates,i wondered who is gona board those trains when they can save more time by getting a flight with just paying a little more bucks.

One of the prime reason High speed railway is not a possibility in India right now is the high ticket prices according to a survey by Indian railways,I dont think people here in India an afford it,though not completely aware of Chinese situation.

let me help you figure it out , take wuhan as an example ,if you live in downtown area ,it will take you more than two hours to get to the airport because of the traffic congestion,but the new railway station is very close 3rd ring road ,high-speed trains will actully save both time and $ if it's a short distance trip,similar story happen in most major cities
 
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Many Chinese PDF member are reluctant to confess the truth of this ugly, but I do not mind.
Who is against the High Speed ​​Rail? China Airlines!
Railways-Department and China Airlines, they are all state-owned companies. The Chinese govt afraid of China airline staff out of work, So they compromise and concession.
Fu*king! A bunch of rascals!
 
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The government is filled with special interest and losers. Who says we don't have democracy? We have the worst of democracy all right here!
 
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all of those talking indians hv no idea what HSR meant to chinese daily business, doubt any one of them actually traveled HSR.. ask any business men in china how does the HSR affect their business and work.

besides all of HSR constructions started only few years ago, like any other product before it reaches its economical of scale the price is going to be high, like it costs more than $1,000 for a mobile phone in 80s, but now costs as less as $100``
 
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The government is filled with special interest and losers. Who says we don't have democracy? We have the worst of democracy all right here!

yea looks like your former Railways Minister Liu Zhijun was quite a corrupt fella..... Its seems socialists countries aren't immune to corruption aswell

 
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yea looks like your former Railways Minister Liu Zhijun was quite a corrupt fella..... Its seems socialists countries aren't immune to corruption aswell


What do you expect from a country with a Gini index on the level of Russia and Phillipines?

Our rich get richer. Our poor get poorer. And the middle class move to Canada or Australia.

The government in the 12th 5th year plan specificed that this is a national security issue. Hopefully it gets the attention it deserves. Middle income trap.
 
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On my last trip I traveled from Ningbo to Shanghai & back.

A super journey,wonderful trains system & railway stations.
 
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wait wha? the speed was never the issue. the ticket prices was.
 
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wait wha? the speed was never the issue. the ticket prices was.
I think what they meant is the train with higher speed cost more to produce, hence the ticket price is higher, to recoup the cost. Probably lost in translation or something.


serves me right for not reading the whole thread
 
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wait wha? the speed was never the issue. the ticket prices was.

Zhao Jian, a transport professor at Beijing Jiaotong University, told China Daily that the speeds should have been slower right from the start.

"Because, at 300 km/h or less, the high-speed rail network can operate in a more economically efficient and safer way," he said.

The energy consumption of trains at 350 km/h could be twice that of trains at 200 km/h, he explained.
 
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