China to Invest $2.5 Billion into IP pipeline.

[ironman]

^^spot on.. you are correct.

 

[Hyde]

I guess Iran will have a larger say to accept or reject the offer.. Just selling to Pak will not be too profitable forIran

If India is willing to join the project at the same price accepted by Pakistan, they may go ahead......... i am worried if india will start re-negotiating prices with Iran from Ground 0 again and waste couple of years time like before and then refuse to join the project once again........ thats going to be completely waste of time for Iran and Pakistan.

I don't mind if they join the project as it is right now

 

[ajpirzada]

well given that now china is back in the game, it will be really hard for india to negotiate a concession from iran.
also india joining in at this stage will not effect pakistan iran deal which has already been signed by the two mentioned countries. instead india will be dealing with two countries separately. but there shouldnt be any problem as there already is a provision in the contract which allows any third country to join in any time.

 

[ejaz007]

I guess Iran will have a larger say to accept or reject the offer.. Just selling to Pak will not be too profitable forIran

You are wrong dear. A contract is only signed when a project is economically feasible. No one signs a project which is not profitable. This project is economically feasible even if the gas is only sold to Pakistan.

 

[ejaz007]

If India is willing to join the project at the same price accepted by Pakistan, they may go ahead......... i am worried if india will start re-negotiating prices with Iran from Ground 0 again and waste couple of years time like before and then refuse to join the project once again........ thats going to be completely waste of time for Iran and Pakistan.

I don't mind if they join the project as it is right now

India will have to pay more to join the project. The reason is simple if India would have joined from the beginning the project would have been designed keeping in mind the requirements of both Pakistan and India. Now the project has been designed keeping in mind Pakistan only. If India joins there shall be certain changes in the project and since these shall be done to accommodate India she shall bear the cost. Also India shall have to pay royalty to Pakistan for using her land and also for the security of the pipeline that shall be the responsibility of Pakistan. So for India the price shall be higher. This can only be compensated if India agrees to a high volume of gas.

This all could have been avoided had India stayed with the project.

 

[Hutchroy]

Hey have you ever something called map,
NO, OK NP THIS IS WAT I CUD FIND FOR YOU

The actual Route from Kashgar (Kashi) to Southern Iran (Bandar Abbas) avoids Pakistan.

As such do you thing China will construct a Pipe Line from Iran by a Longer Route?

 

[Hyde]

The actual Route from Kashgar (Kashi) to Southern Iran (Bandar Abbas) avoids Pakistan.

As such do you thing China will construct a Pipe Line from Iran by a Longer Route?

yes it will use the route from Pakistan due to many reasons.

1) Pakistan is china's most trustworthy friend in South Asia
2) Situation in Afghanistan is not stable and way worse than Pakistan.
3) China will have to pay commission to both countries as the pipeline will be going from Iran into Afghanistan and then Tajikistan and eventually reach China.

The route of Afghanistan into Tajikistan and then China is almost equal to the route of Pakistan and Iran and is highly dangerous too. But spreading the pipeline in Karakoram is easy comparing to Afghanistan's wakhan corrider that is almost impossible to access. I can name many more reasons but i am stopping here for now

 

[TaimiKhan]

The actual Route from Kashgar (Kashi) to Southern Iran (Bandar Abbas) avoids Pakistan.

As such do you thing China will construct a Pipe Line from Iran by a Longer Route?

Use google and see how and what is the terrain of Afghanistan and how much is it suitable for laying of pipelines and other stuff. With pakistan there would be one country in between, while as per your route, Tajikistan, Afghanistan and then Iran. More factors involved, stability, transit fees by each country, while with pakistan, just one country in the way. And Gwadar port is much more easily accessible and till current Iranian regime is there, there would always be fear of war, sanctions and other stuff.

 

[Hutchroy]

Use google and see how and what is the terrain of Afghanistan and how much is it suitable for laying of pipelines and other stuff. With pakistan there would be one country in between, while as per your route, Tajikistan, Afghanistan and then Iran. More factors involved, stability, transit fees by each country, while with pakistan, just one country in the way. And Gwadar port is much more easily accessible and till current Iranian regime is there, there would always be fear of war, sanctions and other stuff.

Here is a "Terrain" Map :

 

[Hutchroy]

Distances :

Kashgar(Kashi) to Bandar Abbas : 1,413 Miles

Kashgar-Islamabad-Gwadar-Bandar Abbas : 1,700 Miles.

Thus this nearly Three Hundred Miles i.e. about 500 Kilometres should make a difference. Of course the "Direct" Route seems to encounter Lesser High Mountains than in the Cse of the route via Pakistan.

 

[Hyde]

Here is a "Terrain" Map :

since the gas pipeline will be going from Balochistan to Sindh and from there to China (if china joins the project) i have drawn the better map for you.........

Now also keep in mind:

1) The total costs of this project will be divided in three countries (Iran, Pakistan and China) so if china lays a seperate pipeline for itself she will have to pay more.

2) China will need to bring this pipeline from Sindh to China and not from South Paris fields in Iran into China so the distance is half

3) The Wakhan corrider at the border of Afghanistan and Tajikistan is one of the most dangerious places on earth so it is going to be very hard to lay the pipeline in such a cold weather with almost no infrastructure and going to be very costly + more peoples going to die comparing to the route from Pakistan

4) Pakistan has better infrastructure than Afghanistan and it is very important point to keep in mind when we see snow-covered moutains near the Pak-Afghan and China borders.

5) China will pay commission only to Pakistan for using their route and not two countries (Afghanistan + Tajikistan)

The reasons are countless so it is a very stupid idea if ever china decides this route (that is never going to happen anyway)

 

[Hutchroy]

since the gas pipeline will be going from Balochistan to Sindh and from there to China (if china joins the project) i have drawn the better map for you.........

Now also keep in mind:

1) The total costs of this project will be divided in three countries (Iran, Pakistan and China) so if china lays a seperate pipeline for itself she will have to pay more.

2) China will need to bring this pipeline from Sindh to China and not from South Paris fields in Iran into China so the distance is half

3) The Wakhan corrider at the border of Afghanistan and Tajikistan is one of the most dangerious places on earth so it is going to be very hard to lay the pipeline in such a cold weather with almost no infrastructure and going to be very costly + more peoples going to die comparing to the route from Pakistan

4) Pakistan has better infrastructure than Afghanistan and it is very important point to keep in mind when we see snow-covered moutains near the Pak-Afghan and China borders.

5) China will pay commission only to Pakistan for using their route and not two countries (Afghanistan + Tajikistan)

The reasons are countless so it is a very stupid idea if ever china decides this route (that is never going to happen anyway)

From the Routes you have shown the distance from Iran-Afghanistan Border to the Chinese Border is about 20-25% shorter than the distance from the Iran-Pakistan Border to the Chinese Border.

Since the Transit dues are based on Distance covered it would be logical that the Shorter Route would be the more economic one especially when added to the Initial 25% lower building cost.

As such I would rather wait for the final decision by the Chinese.

Please note that China is also going to Import Natural Gas from Turkmenistan and as such you can work out the Route this particular pipe line would follow.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Is it true that china is also seeking the possibility of importing gas from myamaar?

 

[Hyde]

From the Routes you have shown the distance from Iran-Afghanistan Border to the Chinese Border is about 20-25% shorter than the distance from the Iran-Pakistan Border to the Chinese Border.

Since the Transit dues are based on Distance covered it would be logical that the Shorter Route would be the more economic one especially when added to the Initial 25% lower building cost.

As such I would rather wait for the final decision by the Chinese.

Please note that China is also going to Import Natural Gas from Turkmenistan and as such you can work out the Route this particular pipe line would follow.

my friend i don't even understand why i am arguing to you who did not even bother to look at the map properly.

You are not understanding how difficuilt it is to ly the pipeline through your given route. Come on lay the pipeline in these moutains





It is almost impossible to spread the pipeline in such a snow covered mountains. It will take decades and will cost billionaires of dollars to build the basic infrastructure there. It is not feasilble for china to use this route and they will never use it.

When Karakoram Highway was build it took about 20-25 years for the simple road between Pakistan and China and this pipeline will be brought from Afghanistan into Tajikistan and the route is in thousands of kilometers and only China is going to pay for the whole pipeline if opt to go for the seperate pipeline. Iran can offer them to join the project with Pakistan that will shorten the distance for china since they will be getting gas from Sindh into Southern China and also divide the costs between three nations.

Don't worry you won't understand....... carry on with your dreams

 

[Hyde]

Is it true that china is also seeking the possibility of importing gas from myamaar?

China wants gas from everywhere............ China's energy demands are too high. They will take from wherever possible