China to Invest $2.5 Billion into IP pipeline.

[ameer219]

that is because you have met indians you know their nature.... but for me i havent met any chinese .. how do i judge them????

Well, come out of your shell, and stop generalising Chinese people, not all of them are the same, and if I, a Pakistani, do not judge an Indian, what about you?

Well, what Zaki said is right, let's just quit this argument, its getting a bit out of hand, let's just move on.

 

[Hyde]

no one has answered my question my question was...

But why do we need to go to India ?

We have 510 Kilometers of Border with China. We have a bus service running from Pakistan - China since past 3+ decades (i think), we transport goods through roads............ why do we need India for IP gas pipeline?

 

[A.R.]

Hey have you ever something called map,
NO, OK NP THIS IS WAT I CUD FIND FOR YOU

and

But why do we need to go to India ?

We have 510 Kilometers of Border with China. We have a bus service running from Pakistan - China since past 3+ decades (i think), we transport goods through roads............ why do we need India for IP gas pipeline?

what is meant by my post

any development in Kashmir shall neither be allowed by Indian Govt. nor would be carried out by china...

the way which is shown in the map is quite mountainous it would cost a lot....
what about land slides??

 

[Hyde]

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the way which is shown in the map is quite mountainous it would cost a lt....
what about land slides??

what is meant by my post

1) How can India object on Azad Kashmir since we are not using land from Indian Occupied Kashmir. We just require a route from Azad Kashmir

2) China is already working in Azad Kashmir so they have no objections on it

3) China is willin to fund this project but it does not mean they are joining in IP pipeline

4) Yes it is very mountaneous and going to cost big money but when you think 25 Years agreement at least (and who knows if the project is extended for another 25 years or so?) one off payment won't hurt china this way. It might be little expensive in start but when you consider its a long term investment........... i guess it can become economically viable (but again the question is....... IF china joins the project in later stages)

 

[A.R.]

1) How can India object on Azad Kashmir since we are not using land from Indian Occupied Kashmir. We just require a route from Azad Kashmir

2) China is already working in Azad Kashmir so they have no objections on it

Are u asking question....
India had already objected for all the developments carried out by chinese companies in Azad Kashmir

it has been discussed with chinese.. and china agreed to shut all the operations in the area...
it has been clearly indicated to china that if the process is continued in the area all the chinese companies shall be turned out of the Indian market...I think china is not ready for losing indian market at any cost..

3) China is willin to fund this project but it does not mean they are joining in IP pipeline

4) Yes it is very mountaneous and going to cost big money but when you think 25 Years agreement at least (and who knows if the project is extended for another 25 years or so?) one off payment won't hurt china this way. It might be little expensive in start but when you consider its a long term investment........... i guess it can become economically viable (but again the question is....... IF china joins the project in later stages)

What about the Question of land sliding??

 

[Hyde]

Are u asking question....
India had already objected for all the developments carried out by chinese companies in Azad Kashmir

it has been discussed with chinese.. and china agreed to shut all the operations in the area...
it has been clearly indicated to china that if the process is continued in the area all the chinese companies shall be turned out of the Indian market...I think china is not ready for losing indian market at any cost..

Yeah you are right but the only problem is you read in Indian media whereas other nuteral sources differ to what your Indian Media cook stories. China is heavily investing in Azad Kashmir and we discussed thoroughly on this topic couple of weeks ago and later on Indian members had to run away after looking at long list of number of projects going on in Azad Kashmir by chinese companies and then they argued these are the final projects and china won't invest any further and then somebody shared another news from Chinese telling they are willing to invest X Billion dollars in Azad kashmir for future projects and ultimately every indian member had to run away from that thread

Something like that happened couple fo weeks ago.............. That is only Indian media who reported those news and only Indian public who believed on it. That is far from reality...... China is developing Dry port in Azad Kashmir, tryign to connect Gawadar port with Azad Kashmir via Road and Railway so that they can import goods from Gwadar >>> Azad Kashmir >>> Southern China. They are not stupid who are heavily investing there are you think they will go like that all of a sudden? There are about 10,000 Chinese workers in Pakistan and the majority of them working in Azad Kashmir only. Please stop believing in bollywood type stories of Indian media

What about the Question of land sliding??

Yes land sliding is there but not to forget when we were constructed Karakoram Highways (The Highest International Road anywhere in the World) around 1000 peoples died those days also due to various reasons (low temperature + land sliding etc) but both countries did know its a long term project and both nations are going to reap from what they sow today

 

[A.R.]

Yeah you are right but the only problem is you read in Indian media whereas other nuteral sources differ to what your Indian Media cook stories. China is heavily investing in Azad Kashmir and we discussed thoroughly on this topic couple of weeks ago and later on Indian members had to run away after looking at long list of number of projects going on in Azad Kashmir by chinese companies and then they argued these are the final projects and china won't invest any further and then somebody shared another news from Chinese telling they are willing to invest X Billion dollars in Azad kashmir for future projects and ultimately every indian member had to run away from that thread

Something like that happened couple fo weeks ago.............. That is only Indian media who reported those news and only Indian public who believed on it. That is far from reality...... China is developing Dry port in Azad Kashmir, tryign to connect Gawadar port with Azad Kashmir via Road and Railway so that they can import goods from Gwadar >>> Azad Kashmir >>> Southern China. They are not stupid who are heavily investing there are you think they will go like that all of a sudden? There are about 10,000 Chinese workers in Pakistan and the majority of them working in Azad Kashmir only. Please stop believing in bollywood type stories of Indian media



Yes land sliding is there but not to forget when we were constructed Karakoram Highways (The Highest International Road anywhere in the World) around 1000 peoples died those days also due to various reasons (low temperature + land sliding etc) but both countries did know its a long term project and both nations are going to reap from what they sow today

ok... it dosent mean that indian govt. will sit quite... if it dose so opposition parties going to kill the govt..

secondly that dosent satisfy my question that are chinese govt ready to lose indian market?? when it is clearly indicated by an immediate action of canceling the visa of chinese workers who are on the project of chinese companies in India...

 

[Hyde]

ok... it dosent mean that indian govt. will sit quite... if it dose so opposition parties going to kill the govt..

secondly that dosent satisfy my question that are chinese govt ready to lose indian market?? when it is clearly indicated by an immediate action of canceling the visa of chinese workers who are on the project of chinese companies in India...

1) I am not asking them to stay quite also........ but who is going to listen to them both Pakistan and Iran were a kind of begging with India to join the IP gas pipeline.......... they keep coming in and out.......... now they are out of the project.......... how can India dictate Pakistan or China (who are not even their friends) to not go ahead with the project?

2) well China is not your friend.............. they have their own foreign policy that is so far favourable to Pakistan. If Chinese are still investing in Pakistan and aiming to invest more............. you should better understand the answer yourself.......... since i did not even read the news that you are telling me besides from Indian news channels.

I will repeat again........ China is not joining the project...... there has been no such news in the media so far...... so whatever you are debating is useless in first place. They are funding the project not joining the project like diverting gas from Pakistan into China.

 

[A.R.]

1) I am not asking them to stay quite also........ but who is going to listen to them both Pakistan and Iran were a kind of begging with India to join the IP gas pipeline.......... they keep coming in and out.......... now they are out of the project.......... how can India dictate Pakistan or China (who are not even their friends) to not go ahead with the project?

that may be your point of view... but problem is not easy... try to see it from indian and chinese point of view... i have already discussed that why india is not joining the project, with other members in this thread..
and thats not the answer to my question
are chinese govt ready to lose indian market??

2) well China is not your friend.............. they have their own foreign policy that is so far favourable to Pakistan. If Chinese are still investing in Pakistan and aiming to invest more............. you should better understand the answer yourself.......... since i did not even read the news that you are telling me besides from Indian news channels.

chinese are a friend of india ...and its there need to be stable... as india still holds tibet card...we have more trade than china-pak trade..

I will repeat again........ China is not joining the project...... there has been no such news in the media so far...... so whatever you are debating is useless in first place. They are funding the project not joining the project like diverting gas from Pakistan into China.

My question is not that if chinese are joining the project or not...
Indian do not allow to let any third country to carry out activities in the region..
Are u getting my point???

 

[bc040400065]

Ha ha hungry of energy... 30000MW that what you call hungry of energy.

Pakistan is in tremendous shortage of energy.. thats all.

please correct ur number because pakistan maximum use is 15000MW. and shortage is variable as now a days is 4000MW not 30000MW.

 

[Hyde]

One last post for you

that may be your point of view... but problem is not easy... try to see it from indian and chinese point of view... i have already discussed that why india is not joining the project, with other members in this thread..
and thats not the answer to my question
are chinese govt ready to lose indian market??

If that was the chinese point of view...... they would have stopped their activities long before. But unfortunately China has their own foreign policy and indian pressure could never harm its policies. If you mean if China continued investing in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan they will lose indian market then you are most welcome to do so. China is already investing in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan and if there was any such true statement from India you can imagine they just thrown it into the trash-can and still investing in Pakistan. We can discuss about this issue if ever China stopped investing there in Pakistan.... for now they are very busy in constructing roads, railway networks, ports, industries and in infrastructure work. Let them continue doing their job We shall discuss about it once china stopped it activities fearing Super Power India.......... that is not going to happen.

chinese are a friend of india ...and its there need to be stable... as india still holds tibet card...we have more trade than china-pak trade..

Oh well Your Army chief says China is the biggest enemy of India. Go and debate with your army chief first and come back after the concensus with your army chief

My question is not that if chinese are joining the project or not...
Indian do not allow to let any third country to carry out activities in the region..
Are u getting my point???

Who cares about India? this is a pipeline going from Iran into Pakistan thats all. India was invited to join the project and they are out now. They can never stop us making this pipeline........ they cannot put pressure on us. If ever China wishes to join this project this pipeline can be diverted from Pakistan to China we do not require any permission from India for this why are you dragging India in this project who has nothing to do with it any longer. If india cannot allow they can continue screaming like that, was there any project ever that we cancelled after the screaming of India?

And one last thing i want to mention is...... Chinese foreign minister or somebody cleared before that we are not participating in this pipeline project however if need arises we will lay the seperate pipeline in future from Iran>>>Pakistan>>>China. They have not shown intentions to join in this project so far so why are you even dragging india into it? This was about China funding this project if China had even cared about India's statements that you are telling me........ they would have never funded this project? common sense man.....

 

[bc040400065]

no one has answered my question my question was...

Well forget indian market... if china wants gas then they will build a gas pipe line along with the karakorum highway... its simple china would first guard its energy need and then would think of any foreign country and in that case india ,,, well i don't think so china will listen to india.... they have sign an agreement for 7000MW dam in AJK just few months ago and again india protested but china did not listened.... so what about that?????

 

[A.R.]

One last post for you



If that was the chinese point of view...... they would have stopped their activities long before. But unfortunately China has their own foreign policy and indian pressure could never harm its policies. If you mean if China continued investing in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan they will lose indian market then you are most welcome to do so. China is already investing in Azad Kashmir and Pakistan and if there was any such true statement from India you can imagine they just thrown it into the trash-can and still investing in Pakistan. We can discuss about this issue if ever China stopped investing there in Pakistan.... for now they are very busy in constructing roads, railway networks, ports, industries and in infrastructure work. Let them continue doing their job We shall discuss about it once china stopped it activities fearing Super Power India.......... that is not going to happen.


Oh well Your Army chief says China is the biggest enemy of India. Go and debate with your army chief first and come back after the concensus with your army chief



Who cares about India? this is a pipeline going from Iran into Pakistan thats all. India was invited to join the project and they are out now. They can never stop us making this pipeline........ they cannot put pressure on us. If ever China wishes to join this project this pipeline can be diverted from Pakistan to China we do not require any permission from India for this why are you dragging India in this project who has nothing to do with it any longer. If india cannot allow they can continue screaming like that, was there any project ever that we cancelled after the screaming of India?

And one last thing i want to mention is...... Chinese foreign minister or somebody cleared before that we are not participating in this pipeline project however if need arises we will lay the seperate pipeline in future from Iran>>>Pakistan>>>China. They have not shown intentions to join in this project so far so why are you even dragging india into it? This was about China funding this project if China had even cared about India's statements that you are telling me........ they would have never funded this project? common sense man.....

read the topic of the thread..

Its just like with you...

mine is also last reply to you..

 

[Hyde]

Well forget indian market... if china wants gas then they will build a gas pipe line along with the karakorum highway... its simple china would first guard its energy need and then would think of any foreign country and in that case india ,,, well i don't think so china will listen to india.... they have sign an agreement for 7000MW dam in AJK just few months ago and again india protested but china did not listened.... so what about that?????

you are talking about Bungi Hydropower Project oh well that is still in its initial stages and would require sometime before the final approval.

China is currently busy in Diamer-Bhasha and Neelum Jhelum projects too

Don't worry AR you won't understand what i am talk about you continue watching those bollywood type indian news channels

 

[Hyde]

read the topic of the thread..

Its just like with you...

mine is also last reply to you..

when you have no answer obviously you will say something like that

I read the title now kindly you read the title again "China to invest 2.5 billion dollars in IP pipeline". Now tell me you are saying china is not investing in Pakistan fearing the loss of indian market and on second place they are willing to invest a fresh 2.5 billion dollars??? and this is only one news out of many making your claim invalid.

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