China to get S-400 from russia in 2017

[Umair Nawaz]

i will be interested in S-500.

 

[terranMarine]

That's very good new for Sino-Russia deal: we got new toys while Russia get $$$, indirectly both can boost the military relation to higher level without saying any words about alliance. In the future, don't be suprise if there is other high tech military cooperation to come. As I said before only Sino-Russia military cooperation will speed up the catch up to US military technology, we can complement each other with our resources technologies & finance.

Some of our neighbors are not happy with this new such India and Vietnam, but they can't blame Russia if they like to cozy with Russia's enemy, don't be surprise to get some payback , with 400km interception range, we can virtually shot down airplane take off from New Delhi.

No mentioning of this deal on Rosoborobexport site, still waiting for confirmation.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Su-35 will never come. Same as Lada sub. I heard China provide Russia half the development fee of S-400 and thats why China is first customers for S-400.

huh......so China is playing the same role as India financing Russian weapons they cant produce themselves?? Hope this will make Chinese Tiger to tone down his rhetoric of China not needing any weapon from Russia anymore, since China is already 'self sufficient' in this regard.

That's very good new for Sino-Russia deal: we got new toys while Russia get $$$, indirectly both can boost the military relation to higher level without saying any words about alliance. In the future, don't be suprise if there is other high tech military cooperation to come. As I said before only Sino-Russia military cooperation will speed up the catch up to US military technology, we can complement each other with our resources technologies & finance.
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Yes only if you provide the Finance and moscow the tech obviously.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Yes only if you provide the Finance and moscow the tech obviously.

There is two ways of possible cooperations: buy tech and share the production to reduce the military cost of both nation. If Russia is willing to sell some key tech that China need, why not? we got the tech , they get the money to even improve further their defense industries, it come to be a win-win. But there is other way of cooperation too, we can share the production to amortize the cost of military procurement such as build 75% of commun parts and the other 25% shall be specific and secrecy to the nation. As an example if China and Russia to build 4 aircraft carriers each by havee 75% of commun parts then we can greately reduce the military cost for both nations...that is another win-win solution too.

There is alot of fomula of military cooperation between China and Russia, we can complemented each other's need.

 

[mike2000 is back]

There is two ways of possible cooperations: buy tech and share the production to reduce the military cost of both nation. If Russia is willing to sell some key tech that China need, why not? we got the tech , they get the money to even improve further their defense industries, it come to be a win-win. But there is other way of cooperation too, we can share the production to amortize the cost of military procurement such as build 75% of commun parts and the other 25% shall be specific and secrecy to the nation. As an example if China and Russia to build 4 aircraft carriers each by havee 75% of commun parts then we can greately reduce the military cost for both nations...that is another win-win solution too.

There is alot of fomula of military cooperation between China and Russia, we can complemented each other's need.

Good/fair points. I never said otherwise. I just wanted ultra nationalistic members like Chinese tiger to tone down their rhetoric, since he use to think China doesn't need to import any arms/weapons whatsoever from Russia, since China is 'self sufficient' in such a field while India is the only one dependent on Russia for weapons/tech . Always good to be pragmatic and less boastful.

 

[Keel]

It is always good to have a competent foreign system to be used for checking the functions of the one built on our own
This will happen in S-400 if the deal comes through and also it will apply to any other weapons from Russia against ours. Russia is a respected weapon supplier

The same checking and self-examiniation exercises cannot be carried out in other countries which are unable to produce any decent advanced weapons on their own

Jingdezhen handcrafted and painted porcelain vase

 

[Luca1]

It is always good to have a competent foreign system to be used for checking the functions of the one built on our own
This will happen in S-400 if the deal comes through and also it will apply to any other weapons from Russia against ours. Russia is a respected weapon supplier

The same checking and self-examiniation exercises cannot be carried out in other countries which are unable to produce any decent advanced weapons on their own

Jingdezhen handcrafted and painted porcelain vase

Are you trying to hint that India is one of those countries?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Good/fair points. I never said otherwise. I just wanted ultra nationalistic members like Chinese tiger to tone down their rhetoric, since he use to think China doesn't need to import any arms/weapons whatsoever from Russia, since China is 'self sufficient' in such a field while India is the only one dependent on Russia for weapons/tech . Always good to be pragmatic and less boastful.

Personally, I believe China can still learn alot from Russia, China once defeated because of our arrogance from blindly close our eyes to this dynamic world. Regardless of what Russia or others can offer to us, we Chinese should alway open our mind to even a mediocrity that people are willing to share with us.

 

[Beidou2020]

Are you trying to hint that India is one of those countries?

I think we all know what country he was talking about. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

 

[Beast]

Personally, I believe China can still learn alot from Russia, China once defeated because of our arrogance from blindly close our eyes to this dynamic world. Regardless of what Russia or others can offer to us, we Chinese should alway open our mind to even a mediocrity that people are willing to share with us.

Same as Russian has a long to learn from China. Its no more one way traffic. Russian shipbuilding and drone technology are poor. Even in terms of aviation, they are slowly losing the edge.
We have implement 3D printing for aviation and even leaders in this area where the Russia is still infant stage.

 

[F-22Raptor]

China’s plan to purchase Russia’s new S-400 anti-aircraft missile defense system is expected to put Taiwan in greater jeopardy in the case of a Chinese invasion, as the system would likely increase Beijing’s ability to control the skies over the nation and over the Taiwan Strait.

However, Russia’s S-400 system is not enough to stop the US from coming to Taiwan’s aid — if Washington makes that decision — and the US already has classified countermeasures for dealing with it, Global Security think tank director John Pike said.

Russian state weapons export agency Rosoboronexport announced the US$3 billion sale last week.

Defense News reports that the system, with an estimated range of 400km, would allow China to strike any aerial target over Taiwan.

“The S-400 will challenge Taiwan’s ability to conduct air defense operations within its own air defense identification zone, which covers the Taiwan Strait,” Defense News said.

“There’s no doubt that Russia and China would like Taiwan to think this is very bad news,” Pike said.

However, he said that while the S-400 sale should be of “great concern” to Taiwan, it would not be decisive in an actual invasion.

Pike said that if the US decides to defend Taiwan, the S-400 system would not impact that decision and that he was confident the Pentagon could deal with the Russian-made system.

According to Defense News, China’s aging inventory of S-300s — with an estimated range of about 300km — allows it to strike targets only along Taiwan’s northwest coast.

Earlier this year, the Project 2049 Institute said the potential of an S-400 sale to China had “understandably caused something of a panic in Taiwan security circles.”

Research fellow Ian Easton wrote on the Project 2049 Web site that the S-400 threat “may not be as dire as forecast.”

Easton said: “Chinese air defenses are not invulnerable today, not will they be in the future.”

He said that in peacetime, if an S-400 air surveillance radar unit were switched on, it would be subject to immediate interception by Taiwanese signals intelligence units on Dongyin Island (東引), Matsu Island and the Penghu Islands.

It would also be detectable by US and Japanese signals intelligence units on Okinawa, submarines off the Chinese coast and crewed and automated aircraft patrolling in the East China Sea.

Once radar emissions are captured, countermeasures can be developed, Easton added.

China still would not have missile coverage over Taiwan’s air bases at most operational altitudes, and Taiwanese pilots could fly under the S-400’s radar sweep, Easton said.

Also, in case of a full-scale conflict, Chinese S-400 missiles would be susceptible to Taiwanese electronic jamming and cyberwarfare units, anti-radiation drones and cruise missiles.

China’s Russian missiles will not deter US: analyst - Taipei Times

 

[AMDR]

China’s plan to purchase Russia’s new S-400 anti-aircraft missile defense system is expected to put Taiwan in greater jeopardy in the case of a Chinese invasion, as the system would likely increase Beijing’s ability to control the skies over the nation and over the Taiwan Strait.

However, Russia’s S-400 system is not enough to stop the US from coming to Taiwan’s aid — if Washington makes that decision — and the US already has classified countermeasures for dealing with it, Global Security think tank director John Pike said.

Russian state weapons export agency Rosoboronexport announced the US$3 billion sale last week.

Defense News reports that the system, with an estimated range of 400km, would allow China to strike any aerial target over Taiwan.

“The S-400 will challenge Taiwan’s ability to conduct air defense operations within its own air defense identification zone, which covers the Taiwan Strait,” Defense News said.

“There’s no doubt that Russia and China would like Taiwan to think this is very bad news,” Pike said.

However, he said that while the S-400 sale should be of “great concern” to Taiwan, it would not be decisive in an actual invasion.

Pike said that if the US decides to defend Taiwan, the S-400 system would not impact that decision and that he was confident the Pentagon could deal with the Russian-made system.

According to Defense News, China’s aging inventory of S-300s — with an estimated range of about 300km — allows it to strike targets only along Taiwan’s northwest coast.

Earlier this year, the Project 2049 Institute said the potential of an S-400 sale to China had “understandably caused something of a panic in Taiwan security circles.”

Research fellow Ian Easton wrote on the Project 2049 Web site that the S-400 threat “may not be as dire as forecast.”

Easton said: “Chinese air defenses are not invulnerable today, not will they be in the future.”

He said that in peacetime, if an S-400 air surveillance radar unit were switched on, it would be subject to immediate interception by Taiwanese signals intelligence units on Dongyin Island (東引), Matsu Island and the Penghu Islands.

It would also be detectable by US and Japanese signals intelligence units on Okinawa, submarines off the Chinese coast and crewed and automated aircraft patrolling in the East China Sea.

Once radar emissions are captured, countermeasures can be developed, Easton added.

China still would not have missile coverage over Taiwan’s air bases at most operational altitudes, and Taiwanese pilots could fly under the S-400’s radar sweep, Easton said.

Also, in case of a full-scale conflict, Chinese S-400 missiles would be susceptible to Taiwanese electronic jamming and cyberwarfare units, anti-radiation drones and cruise missiles.

China’s Russian missiles will not deter US: analyst - Taipei Times

"but the news told me that the F-35 is a piece of trash that can't fly"

Navy League 2015: F-35 studies next-generation EW capability - IHS Jane's 360

Next.

 

[munchkin]

"but the news told me that the F-35 is a piece of trash that can't fly"

Navy League 2015: F-35 studies next-generation EW capability - IHS Jane's 360

Next.

F-35 sucks

 

[AMDR]

F-35 sucks

I actually encourage you to keep believing that

 

[Zarvan]

China’s plan to purchase Russia’s new S-400 anti-aircraft missile defense system is expected to put Taiwan in greater jeopardy in the case of a Chinese invasion, as the system would likely increase Beijing’s ability to control the skies over the nation and over the Taiwan Strait.

However, Russia’s S-400 system is not enough to stop the US from coming to Taiwan’s aid — if Washington makes that decision — and the US already has classified countermeasures for dealing with it, Global Security think tank director John Pike said.

Russian state weapons export agency Rosoboronexport announced the US$3 billion sale last week.

Defense News reports that the system, with an estimated range of 400km, would allow China to strike any aerial target over Taiwan.

“The S-400 will challenge Taiwan’s ability to conduct air defense operations within its own air defense identification zone, which covers the Taiwan Strait,” Defense News said.

“There’s no doubt that Russia and China would like Taiwan to think this is very bad news,” Pike said.

However, he said that while the S-400 sale should be of “great concern” to Taiwan, it would not be decisive in an actual invasion.

Pike said that if the US decides to defend Taiwan, the S-400 system would not impact that decision and that he was confident the Pentagon could deal with the Russian-made system.

According to Defense News, China’s aging inventory of S-300s — with an estimated range of about 300km — allows it to strike targets only along Taiwan’s northwest coast.

Earlier this year, the Project 2049 Institute said the potential of an S-400 sale to China had “understandably caused something of a panic in Taiwan security circles.”

Research fellow Ian Easton wrote on the Project 2049 Web site that the S-400 threat “may not be as dire as forecast.”

Easton said: “Chinese air defenses are not invulnerable today, not will they be in the future.”

He said that in peacetime, if an S-400 air surveillance radar unit were switched on, it would be subject to immediate interception by Taiwanese signals intelligence units on Dongyin Island (東引), Matsu Island and the Penghu Islands.

It would also be detectable by US and Japanese signals intelligence units on Okinawa, submarines off the Chinese coast and crewed and automated aircraft patrolling in the East China Sea.

Once radar emissions are captured, countermeasures can be developed, Easton added.

China still would not have missile coverage over Taiwan’s air bases at most operational altitudes, and Taiwanese pilots could fly under the S-400’s radar sweep, Easton said.

Also, in case of a full-scale conflict, Chinese S-400 missiles would be susceptible to Taiwanese electronic jamming and cyberwarfare units, anti-radiation drones and cruise missiles.

China’s Russian missiles will not deter US: analyst - Taipei Times

First of S 400 is a Defensive weapon secondly if China decides to take Taiwan USA will just watch and do nothing