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China-Tibet Relations, Past & Present

now what dya mean by "China-Tibet "relations?
you can say "Chinese Government-Tibet" relations,but you NEVER EVER say China-Tibet relations,
just like we don't say "India-New Delhi relations. "
pleaseeeee....
 
No, Chinese people do not say "China-Tibet"relations.because China is a country,not a nationality, and the Tibet is a nationality,not a country.
the "Han-Tibet"relations should be ok.
 
Obama pilloried over ducking Dalai Lama to appease China


WASHINGTON: The loud sucking noise you hear? That's President Barack Obama kissing up to the Chinese. The Dalai Lama in Washington, as Barack Obama's administration insisted it still respected the Tibetan leader. Fellow Tibetan exiles welcomed the globetrotting 74-year-old monk as he arrived at his Washington hotel.

At least that's what supporters of Dalai Lama would have you believe after the U.S President passed up a meeting with the Tibetan leader in Washington DC this week – ostensibly to not offend Beijing ahead of his (Obama’s) visit to China next month.

It’s the first time in ten visits to the US in 18 years that the Dalai Lama has failed to meet with the American president. The political and diplomatic slight to the man widely admired in the US as brought forth a volley of criticism against Obama, hitherto hailed a champion of human rights.

Republicans are pillorying Obama for being a pussycat before the Chinese, and there have been murmurs of disapproval from the Democrats too..

"We regret that despite escalating human rights violations in Tibet, the White House has chosen not to meet with His Holiness the Dalai Lama...preferring a time that will be less irritating to the Chinese government and after the president’s own trip to China. We are concerned that this time may never come," says Katrina Lantos Swett, whose late father Tom Lantos led the move to present the Tibetan leader with a Congressional Gold Medal in 2007, awarded by then President Bush at a bipartisan ceremony.

The Dalai Lama is scheduled to receive a human rights award in the US Capitol on Tuesday given by the Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice from Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is a long time admirer of the Tibetan leader. President Obama is also very much in the capital. But there will be no meeting.

The White House says Obama’s decision not to meet Dalai Lama means no disrespect to the Tibetan leader, but there is little doubt in Washington what’s behind the decision. The US President is going to Beijing next month at a time the US is widely seen as a declining entity and China as a growing power. Washington needs Beijing’s cooperation on several international issues – from climate change to trade to Iran and other key geo-political issues.

US officials have said Obama will meet the Dalai Lama after he returns from Beijing, a fact that has been communicated to the Tibetan leader. Last month, the White House sent senior aides Valerie Jarrett and Maria Otero, undersecretary of state for democracy and global affairs and now special envoy for Tibet, to Dharamsala to convey the US position to the Dalai Lama.

"The president has decided that he will meet with the Dalai Lama at a mutually agreeable time," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters Monday, while officials explained on background that the administration thought it more constructive to first engage Beijing on the Tibetan issue.

Won’t work, say Obama critics. "The Chinese are beginning to dictate what the Obama administration is doing," one Republican lawmaker was quoted as saying. "Do you think the Chinese will respect this? It’s a sign of weakness."

Obama’s handling of the matter will also be closely watched in New Delhi, which is suddenly facing a surfeit of prickly issues with China. The issue is complicated by the Dalai Lama’s scheduled visit to Arunachal Pradesh, which China considers disputed territory, in November, around the same time Obama will be in Beijing.

According to some reports, the Obama administration is pressing the Dalai Lama not to muddy the Arunachal issue while the U.S is engaged in persuading Beijing to initiate talks with the Tibetan leader. Washington is also being accused of dragging its feet on the implementation of the understanding reached between the preceding Bush administration and India, to undertake searches in Arunachal Pradesh territory for US Air Force personnel who had gone missing in action during the Second World War.

The US is also said to be re-examining some of the joint military exercises it is conducting with India to eliminate those which may cause concern to China. "The Obama administration is showing signs of greater sensitivity to the concerns and interests of China than those of India. Reliable reports indicate that it is veering towards a policy of neutrality on the issue of Arunachal Pradesh, which has been a major bone of contention between India and China," B.Raman, a former senior Indian intelligence official who laid out the charges, said in an online article on Monday.

Meanwhile conservative circles have jumped on Obama’s Dalai Lama cop-out to pillory him and say his predecessor handled the matter more skillfully. President Bush met the Dalai Lama several times, most notably and controversially in 2007, when he awarded the Congressional Gold Medal to the Tibetan leader in a public ceremony.

Although the Bush administration said the meeting and the award was not meant to antagonize China, the President’s reference to religious oppression brought a sharp response from the thin-skinned Beijing which called it an affront to the budding relations between the two countries. But it did not drastically affect ties.

"The Obama White House shows an inordinate - one might say obsessive - amount of concern for other countries' sensitivities," the right-wing Washington Times said in an editorial on Tuesday. "America need not jettison its commitment to freedom just to curry favour with some foreign leaders."

The Wall Street Journal noted that in nearly nine months in office, Obama has found time to meet with Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega and Vladimir Putin, but not the Dalai Lama, a peaceful religious leader who has long been a friend to the US
 
I think at the time, we should concentrate more on the development in Tibet province, to improve living standard. One problem here is the religion, I see so many monks in temples, they are young peoples they should go to work instead of studing religion and being feeded from outside. I see the old people are working hard on the field just to feed these monks.
 
The Tibetan legislature has decided that March 28th will commemorate the end of feudal serfdom in the autonomous region.

Monday's session of the regional legislature endorsed a proposal for setting up the annual "Serfs Emancipation Day".

On March 28, 1959, the central government announced it would dissolve the aristocratic local government of Tibet, and replace it with a preparatory committee for establishing the Tibet Autonomous Region.

The move came after the central government foiled an armed rebellion staged by the Dalai Lama and his supporters, most of whom were slave owners attempting to maintain serfdom. That meant the end of serfdom and the abolition of the hierarchic social system characterized by theocracy.

About 1 million serfs and slaves, accounting for 90 percent of Tibetan population in the 1950s, were then freed.

The question is why did it take this long for them to be given freedom? Imagine if the Dalai Clique had it's ways, more suffering to the people!

What say the Indian members? Any excuses or lies?
 
I think at the time, we should concentrate more on the development in Tibet province, to improve living standard. One problem here is the religion, I see so many monks in temples, they are young peoples they should go to work instead of studing religion and being feeded from outside. I see the old people are working hard on the field just to feed these monks.

Here's the problem and practical reality:

I studied Buddhism for many, many years under direct guidance by several Buddhist monks. With age and wisdom I see the truth is that nobody on earth really knows the answer to what really happens after we all die. There are many speculations, and I feel that even when it comes time that we each die, we will still not have the answer! The reason is before we actually fully pass away, we first lose our consciousness, ability to think, etc..... slowly (or quickly) until we gradually become 'dead'.

So all religion deals with the basic human fear: WHAT HAPPENS AFTER DEATH?

All religions postulates and make claims to have the divine answer. But the truth is no one know, no holy book knows for sure. So we must come to accept this basic reality that we all must one day die and gain peace from not knowing what comes after.
 
There is a world outside.. and there is a term called freedom of speech...brother..!!! And nobody is talking about war here.. but of a fact that there are people in tibet who wants freedom whose voices are not heard outside, even though if it is in a minority..!!!! If you cant digest it.. nobody can help it brother..!!!

I think our politcal reform will go further, you will see a china with more democracy in future. I am sure our democratical system will be a different one from that of western world. Nowadays, our main task is to maintain the stablity to make a good enviorment for the economical development. Our goverment thinks always about long term prospect, while in western world, as well as in India, the governing party's thinking is alway how it can stay in power for the next election. They do lots of short term plans to please their people, while in long term these plans could cause some damages.
India sees itself as the biggest demorcracy in the world, but how can you call yourself demorcracy when the caste system is still in power, slums are spreading allover India, farmers without land are domonstrate on streets for their survivial.
 
it is always easy for indian to talk about ethnic group's freedom.
there are less than 500 thousand in lhasa and more than that were killed because they believe in a different god in the very year of your becoming an independent country.
 
I think at the time, we should concentrate more on the development in Tibet province, to improve living standard. One problem here is the religion, I see so many monks in temples, they are young peoples they should go to work instead of studing religion and being feeded from outside. I see the old people are working hard on the field just to feed these monks.

It's their tradition. Please respect it. To them, work or money is not the definition of happiness.
 
This is my first reply in this forum. :cheers:

The relation between China and Tibet is that Tibet is a province of China! We won't let any inch of our territory seperated from us! :china:
 
chinese can kill only poor tibetian ppl..they cant take a small island called taiwan ..forget about india lol..as long as papa russia in on ur head,,no matter how gud reverse engineer chinese r , cant do anything except shouting and crying..
 
chinese can kill only poor tibetian ppl..they cant take a small island called taiwan ..forget about india lol..as long as papa russia in on ur head,,no matter how gud reverse engineer chinese r , cant do anything except shouting and crying..

Actually, much to your horror, Tibetan population has grown tremendously under CPC dictatorship, but GoI kills under-privileged Indian children relentlessly and unremittingly in millions a year Two million slum children die every year as India booms | World news | The Observer, while giving its grand-papa Russia billions for military garbage.
 
I think at the time, we should concentrate more on the development in Tibet province, to improve living standard. One problem here is the religion, I see so many monks in temples, they are young peoples they should go to work instead of studing religion and being feeded from outside. I see the old people are working hard on the field just to feed these monks.

It's their tradition. Please respect it. To them, work or money is not the definition of happiness.

Both of you have a reason.

I guess the point is: the state should stop sponsoring the religion of all kinds by letting them thrive or shrink themselves.

The real picture is that, even CPC helps Tibet religion by providing food to the monks and renovating the temples for free, the monks' desire for more and more, just like any human being's, is ever increasing and non-stopping.

I plan to go Tibet this summer...unfortunately I can't speak local language. :undecided:
 
Actually, much to your horror, Tibetan population has grown tremendously under CPC dictatorship, but GoI kills under-privileged Indian children relentlessly and unremittingly in millions a year Two million slum children die every year as India booms | World news | The Observer, while giving its grand-papa Russia billions for military garbage.

we r currently developing.many challenges aganist us.and still a way to go..but this troll [children death]is expected from u in a defense forum.u believe there is no single children death in any other country..
chinese hv 2nd no highest poor ppl/riots in tha world..
ask ur president mr obama who recently meet dalai lama for innocent killing of Tibetans.
First pictures of Tibet killings | The Observers
yes wr r currently developing defense capabilities..
and thanx for calling russian arms a garbage on which indeed chinese do some reverse engineering.if the source code is garbage then reverse engineered product has to be garbage..:wave::wave:
 


This is the map of Republic of China in 1924

Not People's Republic of China, which found in 1949




The map includes Tibet, but no Taiwan

Because Taiwan was ceded by Japan in 1895.

After 1945 (Fall of Japanese empire), Taiwan returned to Republic of China
 
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