China threatens nuclear war against United States - labels Australia “gum stuck to China’s shoe”

[crankthatskunk]

He has a point. China's nuclear arsenal is very limited in numbers compared to rest of its forces strength.
Now that China is arch enemy of the "West" replacing the USSR and then Russia, it needs to come to the same stature as Russia is in terms of nuclear arms.

While China is at it, it should also help Pakistan with uranium and other technical bits, to increase its arsenal to at least 500 nuclear weapons. That would shut India up for good.

But I suggest China should adopt two prong policies, one should focus on the military side, including the nuclear arms, and the second should concentrate on efforts to ditch the dollar as world reserve currency.

I think later is going to hurt USA more and would ultimately finish it as World Super Power. I am certain of it, the USA downfall is written in the decline of dollar.

 

[redtom]

There are no facts in this world for a long time, and there are no agreements and no credibility. Force and money have always been talking. China is just adapting to this world. Just like free trade invented by the Americans, when the United States is the world's most powerful industrial country, the United States is the defender of free trade. When China replaced the United States, the Americans threw free trade into the toilet.

The world is now moving in a good direction because the United States is accusing China of nuclear threats, accusing China of controlling international organizations, and accusing China of supporting opposition in other countries. We can also use American terms. Defender of world peace, leader of international order, supporter of democratic movement, freedom fighter.

We are very happy to replace the United States, and we will do a thousand times better than the United States.

 

[Nadeem Ganjum]

This the global times editor clown. He recently was caught in a sex scandal with his co-workers and making two of them pregnant. lol

Chinese State Media Editor Mired in Sex Scandal

www.theepochtimes.com

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Is this relevant to the thread ?

 

[crankthatskunk]

China is a regional power. To be a superpower you need the economic reach, global military reach/bases all of the world; NATO like an alliance.
oh- fanboys from puny countries does not equate to a military alliance

What puny countries you have in mind!!

 

[denel]

Yeah, right. The CCP cadre is going to risk their mansions and privileges in a nuclear exchange with the USA. The reality is that the "elites" in both countries need each other to maintain their exalted positions. The USA Democratic Party is, underneath it all, a beloved partner of the Chinese Communist Party. Such talk above is, to use a Japanese expression, Kabuki theater for mystification of both the American and Chinese proletariat.

of course not

Anyone who pays attention to this side show forgets the discussion between Mao and Nixon; - 'Dont worry when we have to use retrotic to keep our cadres happy, it is for domestic consumption'.

In reality, CCP loves money and power; one nosebleed, we will see how their deck of cards will fall

 

[rent4country]

China doesn't release numbers on its nuclear weapons like Israel so no one knows how many nukes china has. Could be 500 or 5000 or more no one knows. But everyone knows China has the ability to manufacture limitless number of hydrogen bombs.

what's your point? you guys talk like everything is a one-way street, only.

The US intel know their numbers and all nuclear countries have limitless ability to manufacture bombs too.

 

[Zsari]

China warns of ‘nuclear showdown’ with the United States
China has launched a blistering attack on the West threatening it with a “high intensity showdown” possibly involving nuclear weapons.


The Chinese government’s mouthpiece newspaper has launched a blistering attack on the United States threatening it with a “high intensity showdown” possibly involving nuclear weapons.

Hu Xijin, the editor of the Chinese state-run newspaper the Global Times, said enhancing China’s nuclear program was now vital to the country’s “strategic deterrence” against the United States.
His comments came shortly after US President Joe Biden called for a further investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
“We must be prepared for an intense showdown between China and the US,” Mr Hu wrote in an op-ed for the Global Times. “The number of China’s nuclear warheads must reach the quantity that makes US elites shiver should they entertain the idea of engaging in a military confrontation with China.”
Mr Hu – who once called Australia “gum stuck to China’s shoe”


“Given the intensifying US strategic containment of China, I would like to remind once again that we have many urgent tasks, but one of the most important is to keep rapidly increasing the number of nuclear warheads and strategic missiles like the Dongfeng 41 with extremely long-range and high survival capabilities,” Mr Hu wrote in a post translated by Chinese human rights activist Jennifer Zeng.

“This is the cornerstone of China’s strategic resilience against the United States.

“We must be prepared for a high-intensity showdown between the US and China, at which point a large number of DF-41 and JL-2 and JL-3 will be the backbone of our strategic will. “Our nuclear missiles must be so numerous that the US elite will tremble at the thought of military confrontation with China at that time.

“On such a basis, we can calmly and actively manage our differences with the US and avoid all kinds of gunfire.

“As US hostility toward China continues to burn, we need to use our strength and the unbearable risks they would face if they took the risk to force them to remain calm.”

His comments come days after US President Biden ordered the US intelligence community to investigate whether the Covid-19 virus first emerged in China from an animal source or from a laboratory accident – stoking fury from China.

The move hints at growing impatience with waiting for a conclusive World Health Organisation (WHO) investigation into how the pandemic that has killed more than 3.5 million people worldwide began.

During an ongoing meeting of WHO member states, European Union countries and a range of others also pressed for clarity on the next steps in the organisation’s efforts to solve the mystery, seen as vital to averting future pandemics.

The WHO finally managed to send a team of independent, international experts to Wuhan in January, more than a year after Covid-19 first surfaced there in late 2019, to help probe the pandemic origins.

But in their long-delayed report published in late March, the international team and their Chinese counterparts drew no firm conclusions, instead ranking a number of hypotheses according to how likely they believed they were.

China’s chilling ‘nuclear war’ threat

The Chinese government’s mouthpiece newspaper has launched a blistering attack on the United States threatening it with a “high intensity showdown” possibly involving nuclear weapons.

www.news.com.au

Nuclear weapons are a deterrence force. Despite the sensationalism of the report, China needs to increase its nuclear arsenal to ensure there is no strategic miscalculation by the US. Regardless of all the distortion and detraction, the editor's call for action is a sound one.

 

[Jackdaws]

China warns of ‘nuclear showdown’ with the United States
China has launched a blistering attack on the West threatening it with a “high intensity showdown” possibly involving nuclear weapons.


The Chinese government’s mouthpiece newspaper has launched a blistering attack on the United States threatening it with a “high intensity showdown” possibly involving nuclear weapons.

Hu Xijin, the editor of the Chinese state-run newspaper the Global Times, said enhancing China’s nuclear program was now vital to the country’s “strategic deterrence” against the United States.
His comments came shortly after US President Joe Biden called for a further investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic.
“We must be prepared for an intense showdown between China and the US,” Mr Hu wrote in an op-ed for the Global Times. “The number of China’s nuclear warheads must reach the quantity that makes US elites shiver should they entertain the idea of engaging in a military confrontation with China.”
Mr Hu – who once called Australia “gum stuck to China’s shoe”


“Given the intensifying US strategic containment of China, I would like to remind once again that we have many urgent tasks, but one of the most important is to keep rapidly increasing the number of nuclear warheads and strategic missiles like the Dongfeng 41 with extremely long-range and high survival capabilities,” Mr Hu wrote in a post translated by Chinese human rights activist Jennifer Zeng.

“This is the cornerstone of China’s strategic resilience against the United States.

“We must be prepared for a high-intensity showdown between the US and China, at which point a large number of DF-41 and JL-2 and JL-3 will be the backbone of our strategic will. “Our nuclear missiles must be so numerous that the US elite will tremble at the thought of military confrontation with China at that time.

“On such a basis, we can calmly and actively manage our differences with the US and avoid all kinds of gunfire.

“As US hostility toward China continues to burn, we need to use our strength and the unbearable risks they would face if they took the risk to force them to remain calm.”

His comments come days after US President Biden ordered the US intelligence community to investigate whether the Covid-19 virus first emerged in China from an animal source or from a laboratory accident – stoking fury from China.

The move hints at growing impatience with waiting for a conclusive World Health Organisation (WHO) investigation into how the pandemic that has killed more than 3.5 million people worldwide began.

During an ongoing meeting of WHO member states, European Union countries and a range of others also pressed for clarity on the next steps in the organisation’s efforts to solve the mystery, seen as vital to averting future pandemics.

The WHO finally managed to send a team of independent, international experts to Wuhan in January, more than a year after Covid-19 first surfaced there in late 2019, to help probe the pandemic origins.

But in their long-delayed report published in late March, the international team and their Chinese counterparts drew no firm conclusions, instead ranking a number of hypotheses according to how likely they believed they were.

China’s chilling ‘nuclear war’ threat

The Chinese government’s mouthpiece newspaper has launched a blistering attack on the United States threatening it with a “high intensity showdown” possibly involving nuclear weapons.

www.news.com.au

No wonder the Soviets once called the CCP "court jesters" in the UN General Assembly.

 

[shanlung]

well, after seeing the US failed so miserably at handling a tiny virus, some people start wondering if its second-strike capabilities will be nearly as good as advertised

Probably as good as Murica touted ability with their super duper missiles of Thaad and Patriot and Aegis to defend KSA that Murica so clearly and explicitly demonstrated to te entire world

Despite overlapping coverage. And those missiles were sub sonic slow poke missiles.
USA did not know then that the missiles were there and coming.
USA to date with records of radar traces got no clue where the missiles came from or going to.
Until those missiles hit their intended targets with big BANGS. If not , USA and KSA got no clues that the missiles were even there.

And USA charging billions for stuff which was all bluff and smoke and mirrors when the crunch came.

 

[shanlung]

Nuclear weapons are a deterrence force. Despite the sensationalism of the report, China needs to increase its nuclear arsenal to ensure there is no strategic miscalculation by the US. Regardless of all the distortion and detraction, the editor's call for action is a sound one.

Just to refresh memories of what I written as where China stand with nukes should pushing turn into real shoving .




Sailing their carriers up and down in phony FONOPs.

And a great game to bully China for the fun of it.

And screaming if their carriers are touched, China will be in a big world of hurting.

As if Murica the only one with nukes and happy to toss them about like confetti.


And please do not talk of nukes. China might well be the only country
with fully functional H Bombs
Chinese H Bombs are done to the YuMing configuration requiring very little maintenance.
Muricans do their H bombs to the Ulam Teller configuration needing lots of maintenances.

Each warhead needs to have about 200 milligrams of fresh tritium added every year. Here’s a pic showing W80s having their gas changed.

How many Murican H Bombs can go kaboom immediately? Not many.


When China was still almost in stone age condition in 1960s, China still developed the Hydrogen Bomb 3.3 Mtons just 32 months in June 1967 after China first fission bomb. China was using teams of Chinese working away at abacus as they had no computers or even electronic calculators then.

We all know China is a lot more advanced since the mid 60s.

US intelligence projection made late in the 1960s that China would have 435 nuclear weapons by 1973.
Karber’s report mentioned that “PRC data in 1995 gave the figure at 2,350.”

We all know China is a lot more advanced since 1995.

Why You Should Fear China's Nuclear Weapons

Underground Great Wall of China - Wikipedia

And remember the DF5s and DF31AG as well. About 100 or more of them, mirving 10 nukes or more.
China has at least three brigades of DF-5 missiles. Assuming all three brigades have been modernized, that's 360 thermonuclear warheads with a half-megaton on each warhead.
3 brigades DF-5B ICBM x 12 missiles per brigade x 10 MIRVs per missile = 360 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-5B ICBMs

DF-5B got throw weight of 5,000 kgs
In 2017, China successfully completed tests of DF-5C. Presumably with greater throw weight and greater accuracy in targetting.

7 brigades DF-31A ICBM (since 2007 introduction and adding one brigade per year) x 12 missiles per brigade x 3 MIRVs = 252 thermonuclear warheads carried on DF-31A ICBMs (assuming NO RELOAD missile per TEL; if you assume ONE reload missile per TEL then you double the number of warheads to 504 thermonuclear warheads).

Since then, China tested and got operational DF31AG and DF31B. Obviously able to throw more warheads than the DF31A. The DF31s are solid fuel and can fire within 3 to 5 minutes.

And the H-6K bombers. H-6K can carry up to six YJ-12 and 6-7 ALCMs; and air launched missiles (CH-AS-X-13)
As at 2015, there are 15 numbers of H-6Ks, and 150 numbers of assorted H-6s.
Using just H-6Ks, there will be need for 15X10 , or 150 thermonuclear bombs.
2015 is 5 years ago. You can be sure there will be even more numbers of H-6K, and even more advanced bombers being build by China.

DF-41 - Wikipedia

The Dong Feng 41 (CSS-X-10) is a road- and rail-mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). The DF-41 completed all testing stages and deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since 2017. It is estimated to have an operational range of 12,000 to 15,000 km, which would make it the longest range missile in operation. It will likely have a top speed of Mach 25 and will be capable of delivering up to 10 MIRVed warheads. Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.

The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US LGM-30 Minuteman which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.



Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.
How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?
6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?

Reported DF-41 Deployment: China 'Responding to US Missile Defense in Asia'
Expert: DF-41 among most advanced missiles in the world


If China got only 260 thermonukes like what everyone is saying and hoping, the surplus warheads will be delivering dim sum and tea bags and cleaned pressed laundry from Chinese laundrymen.

Please remember DF-41 got a very big brother coming up as well in case you think DF-41 not worthy enough to deliver dim sum and tea bags and cleaned laundry.
Russia’s RS-28 “Sarmat” ten-ton payload, rated as the most dangerous ICBM . Reportedly it may carry up to fifteen 350 kiloton warheads, or up to twenty-four of the new “Avangard” nuclear-armed Hypersonic Glide Vehicle (HGV) warheads. Sarmat will be dwarfed by Chinese new missile with even larger twenty-ton payload. That will be solid-fuel space-launch vehicle (SLV), and could form the basis for what might become the world’s largest “mobile” ICBM.
The Next China Military Threat: The World's Biggest Mobile ICBM?


SSBNs
Type 094 Jin Class SSBN

Currently 6 of type 094 but projected to be 8 in years to come.
Carrying 12 numbers of JL-2, mirving 3–4 thermonuclear warheads.
Or 288 nuclear warheads

Type 096 Tang Class SSBN
This is similar to Ohio Class

Carrying 24 JL-3 missiles , each mirving 5–7 warheads.
Currently, 6 numbers of 096 SSBNs are being build simultaneously.
Using 6x24x5, we have 720 thermonuclear warheads.

Or at least 1000 nukes can be delivered by China.
Or the warheads delivered are empty. Or used to deliver dim sums, General Tso chicken, wulung tea bags and cleaned laundry by Chink laundrymen, express delivery.

If China is ever turned into a nuclear wasteland, those that send nukes into China will be nuked into glowing and molten multicolored wasteland.

China promised never to use the first nuke. But if just one nuke land on China or her forces, ALL THE USA BASES FROM EUROPE, DIEGO GARCIA , SINGAPORE . JAPAN AND USA HERSELF WILL BE SEAS AND LAKES OF MOLTEN MULTI COLOR GLASS.
None of the USA carriers will be spared. The carriers will be taken out with nukes even if the carriers hide in Frisco Bay or in the Atlantic Ocean or any other ocean.

And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA a few days ago, the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
New sales pitch? US makes the world’s ‘finest’ anti-air systems, but sometimes they just don’t work, Pompeo explains
Saudi air defenses like Patriot & Aegis don’t match their advertised properties, unfit for real combat – Russian Army (MAP)

How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

Allies of the country that nuke China will not go unpunished as well. Whether they could not stop USA or do not want to stop USA or USA do not want to listen to them will be irrelevant to China.
A nuked China will be very very weak. And China recalled the days where the British and French and Japan and USA came to carve her up when China was weak.
China will not allow that to happen again. China will ensure those countries will be weaker than a nuked China, or exist only in name after a nuked China

So please let peace prevail and it is irrelevant whether you think China only got 260 nukes
The lucky ones will be those that die in the first micro second.
Those still alive a year later will wish they gone at the very beginning.

And why the war fought or even started, no one will give a flying **** as to the reasons.

Even so, China never ever threatened to use nukes. Other than if nuke used on China, China will retaliate and use nukes as well.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs. Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan. AND DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA.

 

[rent4country]

Nuclear weapons are a deterrence force. Despite the sensationalism of the report, China needs to increase its nuclear arsenal to ensure there is no strategic miscalculation by the US. Regardless of all the distortion and detraction, the editor's call for action is a sound one.

how does it feel to pay taxes in the US that goes towards anti china policies?

 

[Zsari]

how does it feel to pay taxes in the US that goes towards anti china policies?

Nothing since I'm working for a Chinese company that's making money for China.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

how does it feel to pay taxes in the US that goes towards anti china policies?

Nothing is more Anti-China than the CCP themselves. In less than a decade China managed to piss off not only western countries but most of the world. And they have no one to blame but themselves.

Even in Neutral Indonesia China is considered a national threat.

 

[rent4country]

Nothing since I'm working for a Chinese company that's making money for China.

but the taxes are going towards American policies. there must be a modicum of self-respect that would nag at you to go back to China when you are not welcome among us?

 

[Zsari]

but the taxes are going towards American policies. there must be a modicum of self-respect that would nag at you to go back to China when you are not welcome among us?

It's simply business. You make a profit and you pay your dues. I don't need your welcome, I don't owes you anything. I don't recall any Europeans were welcomed onto this land in the first place.