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China tells U.S. that 'Pakistan is our Israel'

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The world's most populous country is showing more international assertiveness, which bothers the US.

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China's foreign relations are increasingly influenced by state run energy companies, study says [GALLO/GETTY]



When a US delegate once confronted a Chinese diplomat about Beijing's uncompromising support for Pakistan, the Chinese reportedly responded with a heavily-loaded sarcastic remark: "Pakistan is our Israel".

But judging by China's unrelenting support for some of its allies, including North Korea, Burma, Zimbabwe and Sudan, its protective arm around these countries is no different from the US and Western political embrace of Israel - right or wrong.

While China is battling the West over exchange rates, import tariffs and its territorial claims in the South China Sea, Beijing is also lobbying furiously to stall a Western- inspired proposal for a Commission of Inquiry on possible war crimes by the military junta in Burma (Myanmar).

"Such a commission should not be seen as a way to punish the government, but to prevent impunity and help prevent further abuse," says the UN Special Rapporteur on Myanmar, Tomas Ojea Quintana.

But China, which in January 2007 exercised its veto, along with Russia, to prevent Security Council sanctions against Burma, has not shown any willingness to back the proposal - even for a watered-down commission.

"Clearly," says one Asian diplomat, "China is trying to reassert its political clout at the United Nations as a counterweight to its defensive stand on currency and trade issues."

The New York Times newspaper said on Tuesday that the US administration is facing a "confrontational relationship" with an assertive China and is trying to respond to "a surge of Chinese triumphalism" by strengthening Washington's relationship with Japan and South Korea.

US President Barack Obama is planning to visit four Asian countries next month - Japan, Indonesia, India and South Korea - while bypassing China.

Meanwhile, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who needs China's support in the Security Council if he decides to run for a second term next year, is currently on his fourth trip to China, having visited the country in May and July 2008, and in July 2009.

In recent months, China has prevented a Security Council resolution against North Korea over the sinking of a South Korean ship and also tried to suppress a UN report alleging the use of Chinese-made bullets in attacks on UN peacekeepers in Darfur, Sudan.

"China sees value in promoting its image as the Security Council member defending the rights of the developing world, and China sees value in relying on the UN to counter US power," said Linda Jakobson, director of the programme on China and Global Security at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

Jakobson, an in-house China expert at SIPRI, points out that Beijing also sees value in participating in UN peacekeeping operations "both because this enhances the image of China as a responsible power but also because it gives Chinese military experience".

Still, China relented to US and Western pressure in supporting four Security Council resolutions imposing sanctions against Iran, one of Beijing's staunchest political, economic and military allies.

The fourth round of sanctions, all of them aimed primarily at Iran's nuclear programme, was imposed in June this year.

Justifying his country's support for the resolution, Chinese Ambassador Li Baodong was quoted as saying that Beijing wanted to make sure that sanctions would not affect the Iranian people or its normal overseas trade.

Jakobson said that China agreed to these sanctions after much deliberation and on the condition that the energy sector was excluded.

"This can be seen as a compromise solution on China's part," she said. "The exclusion of the energy sector was crucial."

Jakobson also pointed out that China wants to protect the massive investments by Chinese energy companies already in Iran or under negotiation with Tehran, and China wants to ensure that its long-term strategic plans for energy security are not threatened.

In a detailed policy paper released last month, and titled "New Foreign Policy Actors in China", SIPRI said the increasing sway of large state-owned energy companies have an increasing influence on foreign policy deliberations in China.

Jakobson, who co-authored the report with Dean Knox, said this is one example of that sway though it is noteworthy that there are other foreign policy actors who presumably were not inclined to advocate China's support of the resolution.

On the other hand, she said, there were presumably actors who advocated China's support for the resolution because China supports non-proliferation and does not want to see Iran go nuclear.

"If China had not supported the resolution, it would reflect badly on China's image and undermine its efforts to portray itself as a responsible global power," Jakobson said.

She said China attaches great importance to the United Nations and would like to see the role of the UN strengthened - though Beijing is wary of many proposals that want to expand Security Council membership and/or give power to members other than the present five permanent members, the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China.

The SIPRI report argues that actors outside the traditional power structure are increasingly shaping China's foreign policy.

Influential new actors on the margins include Chinese state- owned enterprises, especially energy companies, which, due to their widespread international outreach, affect China's bilateral relationships and diplomacy at large.

The others include local governments, especially in border and coastal provinces, which seek more lucrative trade and foreign investment opportunities.

At the same time, there is growing importance of researchers, who serve as advisors to officials and media, and netizens, who constitute a new pressure group that China's leaders at times feel compelled to take into account, not least during international crises.

The findings also point to a fracturing of authority in foreign policy formulation.

Diversification outside China's official decision making apparatus - along with changes within it - means that foreigners can no longer expect to only deal with one government agency or Party organ but must take into account multiple actors that have both a stake and say in the decision-making processes.
 
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for US israel is the only nation which it supports no matter what. Though US has many other gud or very best friends , Israel is more like a family.

Pakistan can be never China's Israel , Infact North Korea is israel of china. wage a war on North Korea, China will be there no matter what. Same isnt the case with china-pak.
 
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for US israel is the only nation which it supports no matter what. Though US has many other gud or very best friends , Israel is more like a family.

Pakistan can be never China's Israel , Infact North Korea is israel of china. wage a war on North Korea, China will be there no matter what. Same isnt the case with china-pak.

Maybe in the past, China didn't help Pakistan as much in the wars against India as we expected, but the relationship between Pakistan and China has become much stronger now.


Also China will do all it can to protect its investments in Pakistan:

Week Highlights - WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 20: Mega projects to be given to Chinese companies: Zardari wants LPG pipeline to be laid from Gwadar to China

Gwadar Port may be given to China Special Report on Balochistan

China In Pakistan - Forbes.com
 
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Maybe in the past, China didn't help Pakistan as much in the wars against India as we expected, but the relationship between Pakistan and China has become much stronger now.


Also China will do all it can to protect its investments in Pakistan:

Week Highlights - WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 20: Mega projects to be given to Chinese companies: Zardari wants LPG pipeline to be laid from Gwadar to China

Gwadar Port may be given to China Special Report on Balochistan

China In Pakistan - Forbes.com

I never denied china and pak relations maturity . It may have increased in importance.. my opinion was on calling Pak israel of china. China supports everything abt North Korea right from its govt to all major policies. she supports NKs Head of the state. In fact china is like a big brother to north korea. Thats all. Like paks relationship with china, china has equally imporatn relations with Myanmar and bhutan tooo
 
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Pakistan's importance increased in the recent times because of its need for access of energy reserves in the mid-east. Other than that I don't see any significant increase of Pakistan in China's strategy besides hedging with India.


How come Pakistan always becomes a pawn in the big game always played by others for their own interests delivering minimal benefits to Pakistan.
 
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When a US delegate once confronted a Chinese diplomat about Beijing's uncompromising support for Pakistan, the Chinese reportedly responded with a heavily-loaded sarcastic remark: "Pakistan is our Israel".

Its just a remark of a diplomat in discussion with a delegate whats the point in it? IMO the China,though an all weather Friend,does not think of Pakistan as its "Israel".The statement was just a argument that's it nothing more.

Israel has a powerful and influential clout in US what do we have in China? nothing actually we have never influenced China in any way for our National interests.

And many of us Pakistanis want Pakistan to stand on its feat rather than relying on any other country for our interests as we learned in 1971 when American fleet never came and America did nothing to support us to save East Pakistan.

Moreover no Pakistani would want Pakistan to be compared to Israel for Israel is an occupying power known for its atrocities against Palestinians.
 
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Very condescending to put it that way. Pakistan doesn't completely rely on China for it's global standing, military prowess nor does it suckle of the hind teat of the PRC Taxpayer unlike Israel vis a vis the US.

Besides as many rational Pakistani members have pointed out, the PLA has really never really stepped up when it actually mattered especially when they lost a ton of territory and over half it population during the Indian invasion in 1970's. Where was the PLA when the Indians invaded Siachen Glacier or during the Kargil fiasco and what did the PRC do when Gen Powell gave that crude ultimatum to Gen Musharaff after 9/11 that has now turned Pakistan into one the largest victims of terrorism.

This analogy doesn't hold any water except for massaging the ego's of PRC Party apparatchiks. Pakistan is way more independent and sure of her destiny without needing a sugar daddy so to speak. Israel would cease to exist without US backing.
 
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Its just a remark of a diplomat in discussion with a delegate whats the point in it? IMO the China,though an all weather Friend,does not think of Pakistan as its "Israel".The statement was just a argument that's it nothing more.

Israel has a powerful and influential clout in US what do we have in China? nothing actually we have never influenced China in any way for our National interests.

And many of us Pakistanis want Pakistan to stand on its feat rather than relying on any other country for our interests as we learned in 1971 when American fleet never came and America did nothing to support us to save East Pakistan.

Moreover no Pakistani would want Pakistan to be compared to Israel for Israel is an occupying power known for its atrocities against Palestinians.

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Thanks mate ... Your post makes me speechless, beautifully put very explicit and to the point ...

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Jailer
 
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