China strikes back on Arunachal ABD Loan

[Patriot]

Barely weeks after it failed in its attempt to block Asian Development Bank (ADB) funds to a project in Arunachal Pradesh, China has successfully struck back.

Last month, in a development New Delhi has been quiet about, China won a vote on a “disclosure agreement,” which prevents ADB from formally acknowledging Arunachal Pradesh as part of India. (A disclosure agreement is a formal notification of a project once it’s approved by the ADB Board).

On June 16, India had successfully isolated China — the entire ADB Board except Beijing had voted in India’s favour — and secured approval for its $2.9-billion country plan. China had raised objections to the plan because it included $60-million projects in Arunachal Pradesh. It argued that ADB cannot fund projects in “disputed areas” like Arunachal Pradesh.

Clearly, China did not give up after that defeat and the reversal is symptomatic of its growing clout. It’s learnt that India lost the vote despite US and most of the Western bloc voting in India’s favour. In what was relatively a narrow margin, the scales were tilted in China’s favour by Japan, Australia and a group of other South East Asian countries. Despite US support, India was also surprised by the fact that Australia chose to go with China. Pakistan, of course, also went with China.
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China strikes back on Arunachal
Just few weeks ago Indians were talking how India successfully got loan made it clear in the world that Anachur Pardesh is purely indian territory and not disputed state..that India have more political clout then China..China could not do anything.

 

[EjazR]

Well its a "Disclosure notification" meaning it won't have any affect to the actual loan as it has been already approved.

However, Japan and Australia changing their vote is surprising, must have been some sweetener from China to change their stance. It alos mentions that the entire ADB board except China vote initially in India's favor. Does that mean including Pakistan? OR is Pakistan not part of the ADB board

Rest of the article is interesting too

It now transpires that since the first vote where China was humiliated, it left no stone unturned in increasing pressure on South East Asian countries, and Japan and South Korea.

The defeat has caused considerable concern in official circles here. One view is that India should not take the $60 million meant for projects in Arunachal Pradesh. It’s quite possible that India will not use ADB funding for the state. In future, sources said, India will also have to be careful when it lists projects in “sensitive areas” for external funding.

The more serious ramification is diplomatic. There is a view that after the June 16 victory, India didn’t anticipate the Chinese response and so did not plan its lobbying as well as it did the first time. Incidentally, before the June vote, India had sent demarches to all 66 countries represented at the ADB.

 

[wangrong]

Well its a "Disclosure notification" meaning it won't have any affect to the actual loan as it has been already approved.

However, Japan and Australia changing their vote is surprising, must have been some sweetener from China to change their stance. It alos mentions that the entire ADB board except China vote initially in India's favor. Does that mean including Pakistan? OR is Pakistan not part of the ADB board

Rest of the article is interesting too

2008 Volume of trade


china&japan US $266billion

china&Australia US $59billion

china&india US $51billion

 

[Spring Onion]

ADB has a policy not to lend loans for projects that fall in the disputed areas.

Arunachal Pradesh is a disputed area between China and India. So it is quite understandable.

 

[boxer_B]

ADB has a policy not to lend loans for projects that fall in the disputed areas.

Arunachal Pradesh is a disputed area between China and India. So it is quite understandable.

But do you know who was next in line for loan application? Pakistan for kashmir

Nevertheless, India has stated to finance sensitive projects itself. Couple of billion dollars isn't hard for india to invest.

 

[EjazR]

ADB still approved the funding and that still stands, despite China's objections.

The notification is only symbolic in nature, but significant nonetheless. The voting is proportional with China and India having around 5% each and US and Japan having 12% each.

 

[Nemesis]

AP is not disputed. China making claims on it doesn't make it a disputed site.

 

[boxer_B]

ADB still approved the funding and that still stands, despite China's objections.

The notification is only symbolic in nature, but significant nonetheless. The voting is proportional with China and India having around 5% each and US and Japan having 12% each.

Yes, i also feel india wants ADB to stop loans in disputed area though we got the loan approved. Most affected one will be pakistan. Damn, india and its chanakya policies

 

[R.A.W.]

AP is not disputed. China making claims on it doesn't make it a disputed site.

This will invite another campaign from Indian side to convince the people. We have done that in the past and can be easily done again. Anyways if we dont get the loan we can not stop the progress of AP we have to take it on our own. I think we are capable enough in doing so.....

 

[gubbi]

ADB has a policy not to lend loans for projects that fall in the disputed areas.

Arunachal Pradesh is a disputed area between China and India. So it is quite understandable.

The ADB loan has already been sanctioned. And Pakistan voted in favor of India, piquing China! What do you say about that?
And contrary to China's perception (the only aberrant one), Arunachal Pradesh is an integral part of India and will remain so. China can do squat about that!

Funny how many Pakistanis here scream with glee every time your savior China gets off one small victory vs India. Says a lot, doesnt it?
China is definitely treading a very risky path, laying claims to many surrounding territories, pressuring countries to bow to its whims, using trade as a blackmailing chip, turning a blind eye to atrocities in many countries in pursuit of economic interests, supplying advanced weaponry to many aberrant states etc which will ultimately lead to a confrontation, a fatal one at that! Recall Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan! History, alas, tends to repeat itself with alarming regularity.

 

[Developereo]

Funny how many Pakistanis here scream with glee every time your savior China gets off one small victory vs India. Says a lot, doesnt it?

Everyone enjoys watching a bully get whipped!
You'd be surprised how many Bangladeshis, Nepalese and Sri Lankans share our glee.

China is definitely treading a very risky path, laying claims to many surrounding territories, pressuring countries to bow to its whims, using trade as a blackmailing chip, turning a blind eye to atrocities in many countries in pursuit of economic interests

India is definitely treading a very risky path, laying claims to many surrounding territories, pressuring countries to bow to its whims, using trade as a blackmailing chip, turning a blind eye to atrocities in many countries (Israel) in pursuit of economic interests...

 

[Honor]

Nemesis

AP is disputed as China lay claims to it. That is why China can strikes back on ADB loan.

China cannot block loan to other parts of India.

 

[R.A.W.]

Nemesis

AP is disputed as China lay claims to it. That is why China can strikes back on ADB loan.

China cannot block loan to other parts of India.

Actually the problem is this


In 1913-1914 representatives of China, Tibet and Britain negotiated a treaty in India: the Simla Accord.[7] This treaty's objective was to define the borders between Inner and Outer Tibet as well as between Outer Tibet and British India. British administrator, Sir Henry McMahon, drew up the 550 miles (890 km) McMahon Line as the border between British India and Outer Tibet during the Simla Conference. The Tibetan and British representatives at the conference agreed to the line, which ceded Tawang and other Tibetan areas to the British Empire. The Chinese representative had no problems with the border between British India and Outer Tibet, however on the issue of the boder between Outer Tibet and Inner Tibet the talks broke down. Thus, the Chinese representative refused to accept the agreement and walked out.[citation needed] The Tibetan Government and British Government went ahead with the Simla Agreement and declared that the benefits of other articles of this treaty would not be bestowed on China as long as it stays out of the purview. The Chinese position since then has been that since China had sovereignty over Tibet, the line was invalid without Chinese agreement. Furthermore, by refusing to sign the Simla documents, the Chinese Government had escaped according any recognition to the validity of the McMahon Line.[8]

Simla was initially rejected by the Government of India as incompatible with the 1907 Anglo-Russian Convention. However, this agreement(Anglo-Russian Convention) was renounced by Russia and Britain jointly in 1921, thus making the Simla Conference official. However, with the collapse of Chinese power in Tibet the line had no serious challenges as Tibet had signed the convention, therefore it was forgotten to the extent that no new maps were published until 1935, when interest was revived by civil service officer Olaf Caroe. The Survey of India published a map showing the McMahon Line as the official boundary in 1937.[14][13] In 1938, the British finally published the Simla Convention as a bilateral accord two decades after the Simla Conference; in 1938 the Survey of India published a detailed map showing Tawang as part of NEFA. In 1944 Britain established administrations in the area, from Dirang Dzong in the west to Walong in the east. Tibet, however, altered its position on the McMahon Line in late 1947 when the Tibetan government wrote a note presented to the newly independent Indian Ministry of External Affairs laying claims to the Tibetan district (Tawang) south of the McMahon Line.[9] The situation developed further as India became independent and the People's Republic of China was established in the late 1940s. With the PRC poised to take over Tibet, India unilaterally declared the McMahon Line to be the boundary in November 1950, and forced the last remnants of Tibetan administration out of the Tawang area in 1951.[10][11] The PRC has never recognized the McMahon Line. In 1959 a suppressed Tibetan uprising resulted in PRC's abolition of Tibet's self-ruling government headed by the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama fled to Dharamsala, India, where he continues to lead the Tibetan Government-in-Exile. Maps published by the Tibetan Government-in-Exile now show the McMahon Line as the southern border of Tibet.

The NEFA (North East Frontier Agency) was created in 1954. The issue was quiet during the next decade or so of cordial Sino-Indian relations, but erupted again during the Sino-Indian War of 1962. The cause of the escalation into war is still disputed by both Chinese and Indian sources. During the war in 1962, the PRC captured most of the NEFA. However, China soon declared victory and voluntarily withdrew back to the McMahon Line and returned Indian prisoners of war in 1963. The war has resulted in the termination of barter trade with Tibet, although in 2007 the state government has shown signs to resume barter trade with Tibet.[12]

 

[gubbi]

Everyone enjoys watching a bully get whipped!
You'd be surprised how many Bangladeshis, Nepalese and Sri Lankans share our glee.

Ah! The working of delusional minds. A minority among those who frequent these forums dont speak for those countries. How? Check their govt's policies elected by majority votes. Or you don't believe in a majority govt?

India is definitely treading a very risky path, laying claims to many surrounding territories, pressuring countries to bow to its whims, using trade as a blackmailing chip, turning a blind eye to atrocities in many countries (Israel) in pursuit of economic interests...

I once had a favorable opinion of you, but alas, originality is obviously not your forte.
Expand on your statement there. What territories outside of what the whole world considers as the sovereign state of India! What whims and what blackmailing?
You talk about Israel when you conveniently omit the fact that India is a very strong supporter of PLA and PLO/Arafat before that! Pakistan didnt even recognize Arafat and you people talk about solidarity with Palestinians? How hypocritical? India overtly started diplomatic ties with Israel only after Arafat shook hands with Rabin during the Camp David accord.

LINK: Pakistan, Zia and After

Did you know that? Or does your likes have a selective memory? Tch tch.
A little research becomes imperative to avoid impudent, inane posts against India or Indians.

 

[Spitfighter]

Everyone enjoys watching a bully get whipped!
You'd be surprised how many Bangladeshis, Nepalese and Sri Lankans share our glee.

India is definitely treading a very risky path, laying claims to many surrounding territories, pressuring countries to bow to its whims, using trade as a blackmailing chip, turning a blind eye to atrocities in many countries (Israel) in pursuit of economic interests...

Well you got something right, Pakistan can only watch, on its own, Pakistan hardly has any diplomatic clout, but you can console yourself in the fact that China is doing really well, I guess. I can take solace in the fact that my country can stand on its own two feet.

Forget about India, Pakistan is staring down the barrel of a loaded shotgun, the world isn't blind, Pakistan's duplicity has not gone unnoticed. You accuse India of hegemonic designs yet you choose to ignore Pakistan's actions against Afghanistan.

You want to talk about atrocities? forget Israel, what about Pakistan cooperating with North Korea? and what has Pakistan done for Palestine? I know India has donated millions if not billions.

And speak for yourself, you may certainly wish that Nepalese and Sri Lankans shared your inimical view of India, but millions of them work and live happily in my country. Bangladeshis are at best wary of our influence over their country. As long as India is around, Pakistan can forget about any meaningful engagements in South Asia.

With regard to the disclosure agreement, I trust India to make moves of its own when the time comes.