China still 30 years from being a top manufacturer: Ex-minister

[aziqbal]

Top manufacturer or not, we control the global supply chain, this is the very thing that keeps the west up at night.

which supply chain for toys ?

not for high end mobiles anyway

 

[beijingwalker]

which supply chain for toys ?

not for high end mobiles anyway

Google and find it out, without China, US medical workers first wore trash bags during the hight of their outbreak.

 

[aziqbal]

Google and find it out, without China, US medical workers first wore trash bags during the hight of their outbreak.

of the Chinese virus yes

 

[beijingwalker]

of the Chinese virus yes

You can call it whatever you like, it doesn't matter, we call it New York and Indian virus too, even WHO doesn't accept it, we can still call it for fun.

 

[Surya 1]

China says manufacturing 'greatness' still 30 years away
Published8 March
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China is at least 30 years away from becoming a manufacturing nation of "great power", a government advisor told party delegates on Sunday.
Many observers already see China as the "world's factory" given that more than a third of global output from cars to phones comes from there.
But China's leaders are concerned about its heavy dependence on the US for high-tech products like semiconductors.
"Basic capabilities are still weak" Miao Wei warned on Sunday.
"Core technologies are in the hands of others" and China runs the risk of "being hit in the throat" warned Mr Miao, who was Minister of Industry and Information Technology for a decade.
He is now a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), the top advisory body to the government.

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Although China still produces a significant amount of consumer and industrial products, its manufacturing output as a share of its economy has declined.
Last year, manufacturing accounted for slightly over a quarter of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), the lowest level since 2012.
"The ratio of manufacturing output to GDP has been declining too early and too quickly" Mr Miao said in a speech to CPPCC delegates at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.
"China's manufacturing industry has made great achievements in recent years, but the situation of being big but not strong and comprehensive but not good has not been fundamentally changed," Mr Miao added.
Tech battle
China also laid out its draft economic plan for the next five years. It wants to speed up the development of advanced technologies from chips to artificial intelligence.
The initiatives follow repeated blocks on China's access to US technology under the Trump administration. Chinese companies such as Huawei have been cut off from buying critical components.
Establishing its own world-class domestic chip makers has become a top priority for Chinese leaders.
Its five-year plan targets seven strategic areas considered essential to national security and includes AI, quantum computing, neuroscience and aerospace.
The blueprint reiterates China's desire to increase competitiveness in aircraft development, robotics and new-energy vehicles.

Now 50 cent army will attack this guy by saying that he is not riliable. Whsoerver exposes their propaganda is either agent of waste or sold out or western agent.

 

[Salman876]

of the Chinese virus yes

You are a "PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST" or a troll?

 

[Beast]

is it the same one that crashed ?

Video shows Chinese drone crash at air show | Taiwan News | Oct. 26, 2020 16:13

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Are you disappointed its not? Ehang has 100% safety record so far.
@LeGenD @waz

Care to check this thread with trolling, name calling and insulting by some members who is not meant for civilized discussion.

of the Chinese virus yes

Now 50 cent army will attack this guy by saying that he is not riliable. Whsoerver exposes their propaganda is either agent of waste or sold out or western agent.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I guess you understand as much about manufacturing as you do about the US constitution

 

[Viva_Viet]

China still 30 years from being a top manufacturer: Ex-minister
Former industry minister Miao Wei says China’s basic capabilities are ‘still weak’ and risks have significantly increased.

A former industry minister said that the risk of being 'hit in the throat' have increased for China [File: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg]
8 Mar 2021
China is at least 30 years away from becoming a manufacturing nation of “great power”, according to a former industry minister, despite boasting the world’s most complete industrial supply chains.
In recent years, China has become the world’s top manufacturing nation, accounting for more than a third of global output, driven by domestic demand to produce everything from motor vehicles to industrial machinery. But its industries’ heavy dependence on US high-tech products such as semiconductors constituted a strategic weakness.
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“Basic capabilities are still weak, core technologies are in the hands of others and the risk of ‘being hit in the throat’ and having ‘a slipped bike chain’ has significantly increased,” Miao Wei, who was Minister of Industry and Information Technology for 10 years before stepping down last year, said on Sunday.
As the Chinese economy pivots towards a services-based model and polluting smoke-stack factories are mothballed, manufacturing output as a share of the economy has declined. In 2020, manufacturing accounted for slightly more than a quarter of gross domestic product (GDP), the lowest since 2012.
“The ratio of manufacturing output to GDP has been declining too early and too quickly, which not only weighs on economic growth and affects employment, but also brings security loopholes to our industries and diminishes our economy’s ability to withstand risks, and its global competitiveness,” said Miao, now a member of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), the top advisory body to the government.
‘Big but not strong’
President Xi Jinping said in November that innovation in the manufacturing industry is far from adequate and firms need to tackle “bottleneck” technologies to become fully innovative.

“China’s manufacturing industry has made great achievements in recent years, but the situation of being ‘big but not strong’ and ‘comprehensive but not good’ has not been fundamentally changed,” Miao said in a speech to CPPCC delegates at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.
There are many problems restricting the high-quality development of Chinese manufacturing but the most fundamental one is insufficient market-oriented reforms, Miao said.
While the tax burden on companies remains heavy and financial support of the manufacturing sector needs strengthening urgently, a shortage of innovative and high-tech talent has also significantly constrained development of the sector, Miao added.
“We must maintain our strategic resolve, stay clear-headed and deeply understand the gaps and deficiencies.”
Exports surge

Miao’s comments coincided with data from the General Administration of Customs showing that China’s exports surged in the first two months of the year, reflecting strong global demand for manufactured goods and with figures partly skewed by the low base in 2020 when the economy was in lockdown.

Exports jumped 60.6 percent in dollar terms in the January-February period from a year earlier, well above the 40 percent median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of economists. In February alone, exports more than doubled from last year.

However, in the longer term, “we see uncertainty for exports in the second half of the year as external demand for working-from-home and anti-epidemic goods may start to slow, alongside the pandemic staying in check. In addition, more export economies would return to the market, potentially leading to more intensive competition in global markets,” David Qu, a China economist told Bloomberg.
The value of exports declined to almost $205bn in February, likely due to the Lunar New Year holiday. However, that was still 155 percent higher than shipments in the same month in 2020, when China was in lockdown to contain the first outbreak of COVID-19.

That's so true, Huawei seem giving up make phones bcs they know CN will not be able to make 5nm chips ( and 3nm chips are coming) like the West .(TSMC can't make any chips if they can't buy lithography machines from ASML.)

 

[beijingwalker]

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This was from couples of year ago, now the margin is even much bigger

"To put it in perspective, during a recent four-year period the naval vessels that Chinese shipyards produced were roughly equivalent in tonnage to the entire U.K. Royal Navy or the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, according to Childs. "

 

[Surya 1]

President Xi Jinping said in November that innovation in the manufacturing industry is far from adequate and firms need to tackle “bottleneck” technologies to become fully innovative.

After reverse engineering for years, China has lost the capability to innovate. Substandard education and single minded zeal for copy pest has made Chinese incapable to innovate.

 

[denel]

That's so true, Huawei seem giving up make phones bcs they know CN will not be able to make 5nm chips ( and 3nm chips are coming) like the West .(TSMC can't make any chips if they can't buy lithography machines from ASML.)

Probably that is why they want Taiwan desperate - top notch semiconductor industry.

Are you disappointed its not? Ehang has 100% safety record so far.
@LeGenD @waz

Care to check this thread with trolling, name calling and insulting by some members who is not meant for civilized discussion.

Dude... why dont you ask your friends to back off and be civil and learn to be civil. If you cannot, then ask them to leave this forum and leave us all in peace. I dont know why they dont go to online gaming forums, they can have a great time or join KCNA ministry.

 

[Surya 1]

Probably that is why they want Taiwan desperate - top notch semiconductor industry.

Dude... why dont you ask your friends to back off and be civil and learn to be civil. If you cannot, then ask them to leave this forum and leave us all in peace. I dont know why they dont go to online gaming forums, they can have a great time or join KCNA ministry.

Fir Roji roti ka kya hoga?

 

[mb444]

Can US make infra projects comparable to even what 3rd tier cities in China do? I tell you, they will spend more time just to find out what American contractor can do it, than it takes to build the thing.

RnD? Lol, nearly all of electronics RnD has went to China 1 decade+ ago. Americans come to China to have things designed, not the other way around.

Apple is so ashamed of this fact that they even stamp their stuff with "Designed in California" in big bold letters, as if they think it will obviate the fact of them having their RnD offices in China.

Whilst apple does have R&D centres in china you are streching it beyond credibility to claim that Apple products are designed in china using chinese resources.

Until we see a chinese computer programing language or a chinese coded programme running global enterprise level solutions China can not claim to have reached parity with the west let alone surpass it.

Huawei native operating model perhaps is a start.... lets see if it achieves any traction globally.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Whilst apple does have R&D centres in china you are streching it beyond credibility to claim that Apple products are designed in china using chinese resources.

Until we see a chinese computer programing language or a chinese coded programme running global enterprise level solutions China can not claim to have reached parity with the west let alone surpass it.

Huawei native operating model perhaps is a start.... lets see if it achieves any traction globally.

Sunway Bluelight and Sunway Taihulight are run using domestic SW06010 processors and Sunway RaiseOS.

I am not sure if you have any manufacturing experience, but manufacturing in China is done heavily through ODMs (original design manufacturers) where the foreign customer lays out specifications - not designs, but specifications - and pays the ODM to come up with an actual design that meets those specifications.

This is common because there are alot of details in PCBs (like pullup resistors, capacitors, power management circuits, interconnects, etc) that a product design company doesn't really want to care about but must be done 100% right. For example, Apple cares *much more* about whether the screen works and whether customers like the feel of a capacitive OLED screen, than about how exactly to layout a 24 bit RGB parallel interconnect to make it work.

Chinese ODMs will typically charge a higher price than many Southeast Asian OEMs which only do assembly. They will also typically retain some form of license on the IP or, if they give a discount, keep the entire IP and basically allow the buyer to use their IP as a library on future products.

The research on the specifications is not easy - it requires deep knowledge of market trends and available components. But neither is it actually coming up with a design.