China starts "combat ready" patrols in disputed seas

[beijingwalker]

they already have a missile that can hit any part of the world within 1 hour.

not yet,they are still testing ,and China's naval patrol in South China Sea has nothing to do with US.US will watch from distance like what did many times in the past.and you as an Australian,dont have to drag US in,you can speak for your country,I can speak for my country ,but don't try to speak for other countries.

 

[amidamaru]

you Australians don't know US well,you are just too naive,even Philippinos don't think US will help them,US wont put that much stake on the line and risk a full scale war and heavy casualities for Vietnam and Philippines,public support??? after losing so many lives in Iraq and Afhanistan do you still believe any war outside US can get public support?war with China is nothing like war with a small country,US's economy depends on China,they owe us so much money ,a war with each other means mutual destruction of both economies,and South China Sea is so close to China,US ships would be exposed to thousands of land based missiles,you think they are that stupid to come this close?Australians are not Americans.

australia and the usa and pretty much the same.... there is not much difference at all actually.

the point is.. if china push push and push and then attack.. your going to send ripples over all the oceans.. and every people will take notice... it will create fear amongst people, especially your neighbors... no one is stupid enough to realize that eventually.. the yellow peril will come for them... i dont think it would be that different to ww2... except maybe countries will unite quicker then back then.....

yes your right.. the usa owes you so much money... well, you should realize, when war happens... the usa suddenly owes you no money at all.. they are not going to keep paying you money while they are at war with you will they? lol all the money they owe you, they used to purchase other things.. while you simply forgone things to buy us debt lol... chinese economy is also dependant on the us economy... ww3 will be a very quick war... usa has more land bases and access to airports in the region, then it does ships.. they would also knock out any known, or discovered missile sites of yours as soon as possible.. they would not allow many ships within your firing zone just at the drop of a hat... your not seeing the big picture

1 - usa has designs on a one world government

2 - war = no debt

3 - give them the excuse, they will execute their plans

4 - all us allies, will stand with the usa, even if we didnt really want to.

5 - your severely out matched...

not yet,they are still testing ,and China's naval patrol in South China Sea has nothing to do with US.US will watch from distance like what did many times in the past.and you as an Australian,dont have to drag US in,you can speak for your country,I can speak for my country ,but don't try to speak for other countries.

yes they have tested it twice... the last time was succesful.. how long before you think they have a lot of them?

im not saying the us will involve itself with china patrolling the scs.... your retarded countrymen involved america etc.. i responded

ohh wait.. now i see.. i didnt directly involve usa in the scs dispute here.. but i did mention them first... pretty much just to say hey chinese equipment is not as good as was being made out...

but then your retarded countrymen decided to china vs usa crap

 

[beijingwalker]

australia and the usa and pretty much the same.... there is not much difference at all actually.

the point is.. if china push push and push and then attack.. your going to send ripples over all the oceans.. and every people will take notice... it will create fear amongst people, especially your neighbors... no one is stupid enough to realize that eventually.. the yellow peril will come for them... i dont think it would be that different to ww2... except maybe countries will unite quicker then back then.....

yes your right.. the usa owes you so much money... well, you should realize, when war happens... the usa suddenly owes you no money at all.. they are not going to keep paying you money while they are at war with you will they? lol all the money they owe you, they used to purchase other things.. while you simply forgone things to buy us debt lol... chinese economy is also dependant on the us economy... ww3 will be a very quick war... usa has more land bases and access to airports in the region, then it does ships.. they would also knock out any known, or discovered missile sites of yours as soon as possible.. they would not allow many ships within your firing zone just at the drop of a hat... your not seeing the big picture

1 - usa has designs on a one world government

2 - war = no debt

3 - give them the excuse, they will execute their plans

4 - all us allies, will stand with the usa, even if we didnt really want to.

5 - your severely out matched...



yes they have tested it twice... the last time was succesful.. how long before you think they have a lot of them?

im not saying the us will involve itself with china patrolling the scs.... your retarded countrymen involved america etc.. i responded

that's a very childish thinking,world economy is never that simple,US at this stage just can't afford a full scale war unless something happens like pearl harbor,and China and US are actually having a fairly enjoyable relationship,it's not that bad as it seems to be,that's politics.

and Australia is not the same as America,I have many Americans friends and making fun of Australians is like their second nature and your government can not command US to go to a war.

but anyway this patrol got nothing to do with US,It's a show of force aiming some noisy neigbors.

 

[faithfulguy]

it is a game of chess... it is not about being scared at all... maybe you should familiarize yourself with sun tzu ...even he would not rush into things, unless it was strategically correct for him to do so.

china is getting stronge sure... but so is america.. they already have a missile that can hit any part of the world within 1 hour... think about it.. dont get ahead of yourself.. compared to american technology, your still in the middle ages

Officially, US will not interfere. But if China want to escalate conflict in South China sea, its best to check with the white house first and understand its views. In any case, I don't think US would do anything for Vietcong. But a Philippine with the US base could be a different story.

 

[amidamaru]

that's a very childish thinking,world economy is never that simple,US at this stage just can't afford a full scale war unless something happens like pearl harbor,and China and US are actually having a fairly enjoyable relationship,it's not that bad as it seems to be,that's politics.

and Australia is not the same as America,I have many Americans friends and making fun of Australians is like their second nature and your government can not command US to go to a war.

australia does not command or drag the usa into war.. the usa drags us into war...

yes and we make fun of americans two.. americans are very arrogant and loud lol

but , our culture is still very much the same, we have same laws, a lot of same tradition etc.. there is not that much difference.. that is the reality.

america has designs on the world and its resources... it does not take a genius to figure this out.. your government knows this, so does the russian etc.... it wont take another pearl habor.. because if you notice.. since ww2.. american policy has changed a lot.. they rush to war.. they dont wait to be attacked anymore.

war does erase debt.. this is a fact.. and i believe why america doesnt really care how much debt it gets into right now... most governments agree, war between china and america is inevitable... america will not let china get military advantage over itself... thats why ww3 is not that far away..

i really wish this was not the case, and that all country could live in peace.. but that wont happen.. im sure you realise the world is not big enough anymore to fit in these countries.. especially when resources are scarce, water is scarce, food, land etc... it is inevitable.. and america will wait for the right time..

 

[beijingwalker]

Officially, US will not interfere. But if China want to escalate conflict in South China sea, its best to check with the white house first and understand its views. In any case, I don't think US would do anything for Vietcong. But a Philippine with the US base could be a different story.

they wont do anything even for the Philippines,that risk is too high,the gain is too small if any.it's very obvious,Go to check Philippinos forums,they all know this very clearly.

 

[SinoChallenger]

it is a game of chess... it is not about being scared at all... maybe you should familiarize yourself with sun tzu ...even he would not rush into things, unless it was strategically correct for him to do so.

china is getting stronge sure... but so is america.. they already have a missile that can hit any part of the world within 1 hour... think about it.. dont get ahead of yourself.. compared to american technology, your still in the middle ages

keep deluding yourself like an indian with inferiority complex

In the 90's the USA was showing its muscle in the Taiwan straits and supporting Taiwan independence. Starting in 2008, we have a pro-China party in Taiwan re-elected in 2012. In 2012, China has successfully spanked the Philippines and now we are spanking Vietnam too.

Even Taiwan has fallen into our orbit; it is now directly in conflict with Japan over disputed Diaoyu Islands! MOFA summons Japan officials over Tiaoyutais dispute - The China Post

At this rate USA will completely lose influence in East Asia by 2020 at the latest. The collapse of the US dollar hegemony will make it much sooner!

america has designs on the world and its resources... it does not take a genius to figure this out.. your government knows this, so does the russian etc.... it wont take another pearl habor.. because if you notice.. since ww2.. american policy has changed a lot.. they rush to war.. they dont wait to be attacked anymore.

LOL and why don't they attack China now? Too scared of DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile?

war does erase debt.. this is a fact.. and i believe why america doesnt really care how much debt it gets into right now... most governments agree, war between china and america is inevitable... america will not let china get military advantage over itself... thats why ww3 is not that far away..

i really wish this was not the case, and that all country could live in peace.. but that wont happen.. im sure you realise the world is not big enough anymore to fit in these countries.. especially when resources are scarce, water is scarce, food, land etc... it is inevitable.. and america will wait for the right time..

Peace is for weaklings. China is born to wage war! Australia seems like a good place to colonize.

Your future is slavery under our jackboots, because of our inherent superiority and military power. Enjoy!

 

[ahfatzia]

Hu Jintao, Wen Jiabao and Dai Bingguo intimidate foreigners???


@ SinoChallenger

Hu is a technocrat and a quiet guy but by no means a timid man. The CCP didn't choose him to lead a most populous country for his weakness and he couldn't climb the steep ladder of the party apparatus being a weak man. When it comes to crunch time men like Hu usually thrive on their strength, a Chinese traditional strength.

 

[amidamaru]

keep deluding yourself like an indian with inferiority complex

In the 90's the USA was showing its muscle in the Taiwan straits and supporting Taiwan independence. Starting in 2008, we have a pro-China party in Taiwan re-elected in 2012. In 2012, China has successfully spanked the Philippines and now we are spanking Vietnam too.

Even Taiwan has fallen into our orbit; it is now directly in conflict with Japan over disputed Diaoyu Islands! MOFA summons Japan officials over Tiaoyutais dispute - The China Post

At this rate USA will completely lose influence in East Asia by 2020 at the latest. The collapse of the US dollar hegemony will make it much sooner!

i honestly dont think there will be much of earth left by 2020 lol

 

[beijingwalker]

let's come back to the topic,the dispute of South China Sea.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Hu Jintao, Wen Jiabao and Dai Bingguo intimidate foreigners???


@ SinoChallenger

Hu is a technocrat and a quiet guy but by no means a timid man. The CCP didn't choose him to lead a most populous country for his weakness and he couldn't climb the steep ladder of the party apparatus being a weak man. When it comes to crunch time men like Hu usually thrive on their strength, a Chinese traditional strength.

The reason why China was treated like sh!t for the past few years is directly because of Hu Jintao and Wen Jiaobao's pay money and beg for peace policy.

The reason why China is unleashing the PLA and unsheathing the sword to decapitate all our evil neighbors is directly because of new Supreme Leader Xi Jinping. He is just as bad-azz as Vladimir Putin.

China is doing now in South China Sea exactly what Russia did to Georgia in 2008.

 

[ahfatzia]

The reason why was treated like sh!t for the past few years is directly because of Hu Jintao and Wen Jiaobao. The reason why China is unleashing the PLA and unsheathing the sword to decapitate our evil neighbors is directly because of new Supreme Leader Xi Jinping. He is just as bad-azz as Vladimir Putin.

This is the 21st century and the whole world is interconnected, especially that China's economic reliance on the West. There were many things could be done in the past is no longer available, so diplomacy is the best way forward until it's no longer possible. The longer China wait the better and, say a decade from now, China can name her price without any fear of the west ganging up on her or at least on the economic front. An economic collapse is what the CCP fear the most

Economically Russia doesn't rely on the west as much as China. Good night.

 

[SinoChallenger]

This is the 21st century and the whole world is interconnected, especially that China's economic reliance on the West. There were many things could be done in the past is no longer available, so diplomacy is the best way forward until it's no longer possible. The longer China wait the better and, say a decade from now, China can name her price without any fear of the west ganging up on her or at least on the economic front. An economic collapse is what the CCP fear the most

Economically Russia doesn't rely on the west as much as China. Good night.

Totally disagree. War is always preferable to peace because slaying your enemies and taking their loot is more profitable than earning it through hard labor.

Our first priority should be to nuke our enemies like Vietnam and Philippines and then take their resources. If any survive, then enslave them. That's how a nation becomes a superpower. It was the way of the Qin dynasty, the Mongol Empire, the British Empire and the American Empire.

Any other view is naive.

 

[S10]

Did you say anything that would reinforce China's claim over the area? I'll answer that for you. You did not.
The Chinese government merely claims jurisdiction in these areas but they do not have effective jurisdiction as required for sovereignty.

China's claims are only on historical basis. On a 1270's map that they can't produce. And on historical claims about an astronomer supposedly using scarborough as a marker of sorts for charting the stars when there is clearly no records of such in the journals of the astronomer. China is fabricating their claims. Notice that instead of proving their claim, they try to discredit the claims an evidence of other countries like the Philippines and Vietnam which holds a lot of history in the areas involved. However, these
evidence are real and factual and cannot be rebuked, unlike that of China's where their claims are unclear, the evidence
either fabricated or missing.

Bottom line is, if we talk of evidence of sovereignty over the area, the Philippines wins. That's why China is afraid to
bring this issue to court and is giving a lot of invalid excuses for wanting only bilateral talks while resorting to
harassments and unreasonable demands.

The CCP knows so well a war either small or big broke out in regard to the SCS; it will spell the end of China growth and a
catalyst for China brokeup: Tibet, Manchu, Inner Mongolia and of course Taiwan people will eventually have a chance to get
away from repressive Han empire.

Civilized men can settle disputes in courts designed for these types of conflicting claims. And we have evidenced our claim
to be stronger and more valid than China's.

Conclusion from discussions remains unchanged: THE PHILIPPINES IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER OF SCARBOROUGH SHOAL.

Our warships have been patrolling the area since the Yuan dynasty, and we mapped the area as far as Han dynasty. Simply because China did not have the naval capability to patrol our islands before, does not mean we relent on our claims. The UNCLOS does not cover areas in dispute.

Actually, if war breaks out, we'll break Philippines into pieces. How about a Communist Luzon and a Muslim south for starters? Maybe we'll hang Aquino's head on a flag pole somewhere in Manila. Flip baboons will be crushed. It's only a matter of time.

 

[tvsram1992]

as a big country,we still should wait until they open fire on us first,come on ,do it guys.

Do you think they will do ? They will get support only if you attack them first .