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[applesauce]

They could test their new stealth aircraft by flying near US naval fleet on border patrol. If there's no warning from US forces, that means the stealth is working. America tested by stealth this way too, first with South American radar and CGI.

sounds like a great way to give away your radar signature so the potential enemy knows exactly what to look for in war. you can do this with allies, but not potential adversaries. the PLA would beg for a chance to test out all their sensors and try to get a reading on the F-22

 

[BoQ77]

sounds like a great way to give away your radar signature so the potential enemy knows exactly what to look for in war. you can do this with allies, but not potential adversaries. the PLA would beg for a chance to test out all their sensors and try to get a reading on the F-22

Yes, they will never miss any chance to test the ability of Chinese
The J-31, China's second fifth-generation stealth fighter designed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, was detected by both Russian and American aircraft radar systems during its 10-minute performance flight at the Zhuhai Air Show last month, reports our sister newspaper, Want Daily.
Lin Zuoming, the general manager of China's Aviation Industry Corporation claimed that J-31 is capable of defeating the US' F-35 stealth fighter during an television interview on Dec. 7. However, military experts from mainland China told Want Daily that the Russian Su-35 fighter and American C-17 cargo plane participating the air show could detect the J-31 in the air during its performance.

 

[Deino]

Oh no, wantChina at its best !

How likely is that the Su-35 engaged its radar during an international airshow ?... and even worse, the C-17 with its weather radar ! The USAF should call it F-17 from now on.

What a crap.

Deino

 

[oproh]

China's Beidou satellite system is getting bigger, whole of Asia and Pacific is already covered.

 

[gambit]

Yes, they will never miss any chance to test the ability of Chinese
The J-31, China's second fifth-generation stealth fighter designed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, was detected by both Russian and American aircraft radar systems during its 10-minute performance flight at the Zhuhai Air Show last month, reports our sister newspaper, Want Daily.
Lin Zuoming, the general manager of China's Aviation Industry Corporation claimed that J-31 is capable of defeating the US' F-35 stealth fighter during an television interview on Dec. 7. However, military experts from mainland China told Want Daily that the Russian Su-35 fighter and American C-17 cargo plane participating the air show could detect the J-31 in the air during its performance.

Calm down...

First of all, I have said it before and will repeat: In radar detection, NOTHING is invisible, the radar sees all.

With being low radar observable, the issue is distance, meaning even the F-22 can be seen if the radar is near enough. So when we are talking about an airshow, we are talking about distances that MUST be easily enough for the unaided human eyes to discern.

At night, the human eye can make out a single candle at up to 40 km away, but that is easy because of the contrast between the candlelight and the darkness. An airshow is during the daylight hrs, which would have many conflicting light sources, making it difficult for the human eye to make out details, which mean any aircraft flying for show would be at most five or six kms away. Any further and the audience would not see anything worthwhile. So of course even 'stealth' fighters would easily detect each other at this distance.

 

[applesauce]

Yes, they will never miss any chance to test the ability of Chinese
The J-31, China's second fifth-generation stealth fighter designed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, was detected by both Russian and American aircraft radar systems during its 10-minute performance flight at the Zhuhai Air Show last month, reports our sister newspaper, Want Daily.
Lin Zuoming, the general manager of China's Aviation Industry Corporation claimed that J-31 is capable of defeating the US' F-35 stealth fighter during an television interview on Dec. 7. However, military experts from mainland China told Want Daily that the Russian Su-35 fighter and American C-17 cargo plane participating the air show could detect the J-31 in the air during its performance.

my friend, imma give you a tip, NEVER use wantchinatimes as a source, unless you want to be seen as clueless about the issue at hand. there is no chance in hell those planes got to even try and use their radar at the chinese air show.

 

[BoQ77]

my friend, imma give you a tip, NEVER use wantchinatimes as a source, unless you want to be seen as clueless about the issue at hand. there is no chance in hell those planes got to even try and use their radar at the chinese air show.

I read from the article "Chinese specialists guess that Su-35, C-17 "may" used their radar to try .... "

 

[kungfugymnast]

That make no sense. Vega-31 was shot down in March 1999. The F-117 continued its missions in Yugoslavia well past March. You are making up 'facts'.


If you want to debate that route, then what has your China been doing ? Nothing. The PLA has practically zero combat experience compare to US.


There was nothing 'remarkable' about it. You fly many jets, you will lose some. That is war.

What was truly remarkable is that for over 30,000 sorties, only two aircrafts were lost.


How about 'if the Serbians had the Death Star'...

Looks like am debating a teenager still in high school.

And then you will say AH64 still operate in Serbia after 1 crash incident due to incompatibility with cold weather and there's nothing for apache to shoot at due to thick forest yet prone to SAMs attack. F117 was withrawn from the theater like apache after 1 was shot down. Even b2 was barred from flying into Serbia hot territory.

The Russians and Chinese were there to conduct research on US stealth planes experimenting with various sensors detection capabilities, what else.

Serbia in 1999 was like a country that has been beaten till almost KO with your massive bombings. If serbia could blow up your f16c and f117 out of the sky, that's like an almost fainted fighter with hands bound managed to give Uncle Sam a hard punch till Uncle Sam fell once but could still get up. A country with nothing left could shoot down f117 is biggest shame to USAF.

sounds like a great way to give away your radar signature so the potential enemy knows exactly what to look for in war. you can do this with allies, but not potential adversaries. the PLA would beg for a chance to test out all their sensors and try to get a reading on the F-22

US tested its f117 for the first time by slipping into panama and attacked the dictator Noriega's command center.

Iranian pair of f4e's had flown near US fleet that the cruiser (if not mistaken) launched few SM-2MR missiles at the pair of phantoms. The Iranian phantoms turned around and performed evasive maneuvers dispensing chaffs and spoofed the missiles. Both phantoms made it back safely.

So why not j20 perform the same harassment? Besides, the j20 could outrun the slower super hornets while j15s could be sent in to help chase the hornets away if j20 stealth doesn't work. If the j20 stealth works, the Americans won't know it's there. To be safe, try not to get too close like 20nm away from the fleet.

 

[gambit]

And then you will say AH64 still operate in Serbia after 1 crash incident due to incompatibility with cold weather and there's nothing for apache to shoot at due to thick forest yet prone to SAMs attack. F117 was withrawn from the theater like apache after 1 was shot down. Even b2 was barred from flying into Serbia hot territory.

What the hell are you talking about the B-2 ?

There were 60 B-2 sorties over Yugoslavia. Look at the image above. One F-117, call sign Vega-31, was shot down in March 1999. The Obvra airfield was bombed in April 1999. So how can you say that the US withdrew the F-117 and barred the B-2 from Serbia ? Do you perform any basic research about the subject under debate ?

The Russians and Chinese were there to conduct research on US stealth planes experimenting with various sensors detection capabilities, what else.

So what ? That does not mean they would be successful.

Serbia in 1999 was like a country that has been beaten till almost KO with your massive bombings. If serbia could blow up your f16c and f117 out of the sky, that's like an almost fainted fighter with hands bound managed to give Uncle Sam a hard punch till Uncle Sam fell once but could still get up. A country with nothing left could shoot down f117 is biggest shame to USAF.

Clues for you, kid.

Before NATO began, Serbia sent a four-man team to Baghdad to seek out Iraqi experience against US air tactics. Serbian air defense took Iraqi advice and trained to become more disciplined than Iraqi air defense soldiers. Terrain played into Serbian air defense as well. The relatively flat terrain in the ME made bombings easier than the hilly terrain of Eastern Europe, which influence combat altitude, as in higher.

What all this mean is that despite Iraqi advice and Iraqi influenced training, and favorable terrain, it was really remarkable that NATO lost only two fighters out of over 30,000 combat sorties. Further, fighters were under much more restrictive combat rules of engagement (ROE), even down to which air routes they must fly.

Two losses out of 30,000 combat sorties under higher altitudes, SAMs, and unfavorable terrain. Your PLAAF generals can only dream their pilots could be that good.

 

[kungfugymnast]

What the hell are you talking about the B-2 ?

There were 60 B-2 sorties over Yugoslavia. Look at the image above. One F-117, call sign Vega-31, was shot down in March 1999. The Obvra airfield was bombed in April 1999. So how can you say that the US withdrew the F-117 and barred the B-2 from Serbia ? Do you perform any basic research about the subject under debate ?


So what ? That does not mean they would be successful.




Clues for you, kid.

Before NATO began, Serbia sent a four-man team to Baghdad to seek out Iraqi experience against US air tactics. Serbian air defense took Iraqi advice and trained to become more disciplined than Iraqi air defense soldiers. Terrain played into Serbian air defense as well. The relatively flat terrain in the ME made bombings easier than the hilly terrain of Eastern Europe, which influence combat altitude, as in higher.

What all this mean is that despite Iraqi advice and Iraqi influenced training, and favorable terrain, it was really remarkable that NATO lost only two fighters out of over 30,000 combat sorties. Further, fighters were under much more restrictive combat rules of engagement (ROE), even down to which air routes they must fly.

Two losses out of 30,000 combat sorties under higher altitudes, SAMs, and unfavorable terrain. Your PLAAF generals can only dream their pilots could be that good.

You trust those US media of your? Report from stealth researchers, they hardly spot any stealth aircraft since they assisted Serbians to shoot 1 down. Even your military guys pulled out the f117 and not long after that, the f117 was phased out entirely.

Clue for you oldman, despite the advisors etc, serbian military equipments are far less and obsolete than Iraqis forces. America vs Serbia is like superheavy weight full muscular fighting a featherweight guy that could be knocked out cold with just 1 hit. Even so, that tiny guy landed a heavy punch on America which was almost impossible. Serbia got nothing to shoot with. If it had 2S6, sa17 grizzly and sa15 gauntlet at least, then it could bring down more fighters.

PLAAF dream could be fulfilled by hiring engineers from around the world including America. I'm sure you got the news of many military aviation engineers lost their jobs after several manufacturers winded up, merged or downsized. The b2 engineer got part time job with china that paid him way better.

 

[Keel]

Some great topics deserve a link to this thread:

CHINA'S SPACE STATION GETS A 'SUPER EYE'

China plans to build huge space solar power station

China proposes largest solar telescope

China To Industrialize Moon; Realize Promise of Thermonuclear Fusion

 

[gambit]

You trust those US media of your? Report from stealth researchers, they hardly spot any stealth aircraft since they assisted Serbians to shoot 1 down.

Not much of 'researchers' if all they got was ONE.

Even your military guys pulled out the f117 and not long after that, the f117 was phased out entirely.

The F-117 left Yugoslavia because Milosevic agreed to a ceasefire. The F-117 was phased out because we already have something better readied -- F-22. Had nothing to do with Yugoslavia.

Clue for you oldman, despite the advisors etc, serbian military equipments are far less and obsolete than Iraqis forces. America vs Serbia is like superheavy weight full muscular fighting a featherweight guy that could be knocked out cold with just 1 hit. Even so, that tiny guy landed a heavy punch on America which was almost impossible. Serbia got nothing to shoot with. If it had 2S6, sa17 grizzly and sa15 gauntlet at least, then it could bring down more fighters.

In Desert Storm, we were operating under our rules. Over Serbia, we were operating under much more restrictive NATO rules. And even so, two losses out of 30,000 sorties is an accomplishment your PLA can only fantasize about. The reality is that 2 losses out of 30,000 sorties is a mark of shame for the Serbs. The North Vietnamese did much better.

 

[BoQ77]

I agree with gambit, in statistics, only 1 tells nothing.
kungfugymnast, you take a deep breath, and return to your cool mind, you tends to sound like propaganda recently.
Your plan need ( and lack ) too many elements

 

[kungfugymnast]

Not much of 'researchers' if all they got was ONE.


The F-117 left Yugoslavia because Milosevic agreed to a ceasefire. The F-117 was phased out because we already have something better readied -- F-22. Had nothing to do with Yugoslavia.


In Desert Storm, we were operating under our rules. Over Serbia, we were operating under much more restrictive NATO rules. And even so, two losses out of 30,000 sorties is an accomplishment your PLA can only fantasize about. The reality is that 2 losses out of 30,000 sorties is a mark of shame for the Serbs. The North Vietnamese did much better.

F117 left way before Milosevic agreed with ceasefire. F117 was phased out earlier than planned because US knew the Russians and Chinese already learned of its stealth and weaknesses. F22 was only in small dozens when f117 phased out entirely.

Vietnam war, its air force and weapons are comparable to US weapons. That's how NVA destroyed half your air force.

Iraq desert storm, the mig29's bvr doesn't work that Iraqi air force flown the mig29s evasive like mig21 having to slip pass US fighters detection to engage dogfight. Iraqis air force isn't on par with US fighters, more of generation 3 and 3.5 vs US 4th generation fighters. Iraqi freedom, the Republican only had limited tanks and relied mostly ground forces due to arms embargo with nonfly zone having Iraqis army starved of spares and supplies.

Bosnia war, the tomahawks and air strikes already paralyzed serbian supplies, military with almost dead air force. Kosovo war, Serbs got only limited ground forces.

If America that powerful, why prevented the Iraqis from buying new Russian weapons before getting into fight in 2007? Imagine if Saddam traded fuel for development and building its military power, you think your forces could defeat them that easily? If Iraqi forces had the weapons to intercept TLAM and long range missiles, you will have to fight long costly war where your Abrams would have to face enemy close air support while your f16 would expect Su27m, su30m, mig29smt and mig33 that would give you the biggest fear apart from s300 missile defenses.

I agree with gambit, in statistics, only 1 tells nothing.
kungfugymnast, you take a deep breath, and return to your cool mind, you tends to sound like propaganda recently.
Your plan need ( and lack ) too many elements

Not propaganda, that was the main source for Russian and Chinese allowing them to build their own stealth fighter outvof reverse engineering and secret detection research and scanning on US stealth aircraft design.

UK, French, Germans, Koreans, Japanese have been attempting to build own stealth aircraft but they all failed because they got no stealth material to reverse engineer. Not until they obtain the f35 which would have certain materials removed as America would keep the trumpcard for themselves.

Because of America ridiculous embargo on countries that it wanted to attack, it driven Russian military manufacturers out of business. Fyi, countries that will be attacked or in war only will start buying weapons lavishly spending whatever they got.

If Vietnam was not situated next to Vietnam like Iraq, the Soviets and Chinese won't be able to deliver supplies, weapons and logistics to Vietnam and it'll have only limited ground equipments to fend off attacker.

 

[gambit]

F117 left way before Milosevic agreed with ceasefire.

How much time is 'way before' ?

Vega-31 was shot down in March 1999. Milosevic called for a ceasefire on Apr 1999. NATO officially ended the air campaign in Jun 1999.

You call two months 'way before' ? You are typical of the Chinese way of debating: Do no homework.

As for the rest of the post, I finally concede that I am debating the issue with a 12 yr old.