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It is a federal crime for anyone in the United States to threaten the President of the United States. Here, the convicted criminal Liu Xiaobo has publicly called for the overthrow of the entire Chinese government. Surely, an 11-year sentence is lenient.

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"Jun 8, 2009 ... Beyond all that, threatening the life of the President is against the law. No matter how innocent the threat is, if the authorities hear ..."

If everyone who calls for the overthrow of the government should go to prison, then every member of the Tea Party should be in jail by now.

Either way, Daniel Murray was a mentally disabled man (his father said he was not taking his medication) who had 8 firearms and said he was on "a mission to kill" the president.

Tell me when this man claimed to kill the Chinese Premier?
 
Forget the US- Even in India and Pakistan ( both democracies , yeah!) and Bangladesh( correct me if I'm wrong about Bangladesh)- would never jail a guy for writing anti-govt essays. let alone put their innocent family members under arrest too!
 
How is a person, who intentionally commits a crime, worthy of any peace prize? The whole idea is stupid. He's a criminal and he should serve his full eleven-year sentence. This is not a tough call.

Nelson Mandela intentionally commited a "crime" :frown:
 
Give some peace awards to Pakistan first :D

Thank You! :pakistan: :china:

Abdul Sattar Eidhi surely deserves one... don't care about others
 
Give some peace awards to Pakistan first :D

Thank You! :pakistan: :china:

Abdul Sattar Eidhi surely deserves one... don't care about others

you want a reputable one for him ( BTW, no clue who he is, can you tell us about him?)
 
* In December 2009, Liu was jailed for 11 years for "inciting subversion of state power" for his role in the petition and for online essays critical of the Communist Party.
Any wonder then that there are no Chinese members here who are critical of CCP.:D

Good find mate !
 
Most of you guys are hopelessly anti-China. You're willing to sacrifice your rationalism and succumb to your emotions.

How simple can this issue possibly be? There are clearly written laws in every country. If a citizen intentionally breaks the law in India, they go to jail. Similarly, if a citizen intentionally breaks the law in China, they go to jail.

Either you guys are too dumb to understand something so simple or your anti-Chinese attitude has overwhelmed your common sense. In either case, I cannot help you. Good luck in becoming sane someday.
 
Most of you guys are hopelessly anti-China. You're willing to sacrifice your rationalism and succumb to your emotions.

How simple can this issue possibly be? There are clearly written laws in every country. If a citizen intentionally breaks the law in India, they go to jail. Similarly, if a citizen intentionally breaks the law in China, they go to jail.

Either you guys are too dumb to understand something so simple or your anti-Chinese attitude has overwhelmed your common sense. In either case, I cannot help you. Good luck in becoming sane someday.

I think the question is not about legality of him having the jail term, but about the existence of such law in China. Off course it's China's internal matter to implement whatever law she wants, but it's our right to criticize the same. ;)
 
I think the question is not about legality of him having the jail term, but about the existence of such law in China. Off course it's China's internal matter to implement whatever law she wants, but it's our right to criticize the same. ;)

An apt comparison is the Blasphemy laws --- there is a law and people are punished according to the law.

But the question is whether 'such a law should be there in the first place' ?
 
In China, the government is straightforward. The law is clearly written and it is based on the same principle as the U.S. Smith Act and lese-majeste laws in other countries. Advocating the overthrow of the government is strictly forbidden.

The Indian government is using its anti-terrorism laws to shut down peaceful civilian non-governmental organizations that help the poor. Indians are in no position to criticize China for imprisoning a convicted criminal and revolutionary.

In India, the practice is the same. Instead of a straightforward law, the Indian government has threatened to use Section 39 of India's Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA) of 1967 to stop anti-government activities.

How come you guys aren't upset that the Indian government has targeted 57 organizations and "most are the NGOs operating not underground but in the public domain. Many are working to improve the rights of India's most marginalized groups"?

"These include the Bandi Mukti Morcha, a human-rights organization in West Bengal which is led by noted litterateur and social activist Mahasweta Devi. The Bandi Mukti Morcha has been vociferous in its criticism of the West Bengal government, which has been accused of grabbing land from rural poor to sell to private firms.

The Eighty-five-year-old Mahasweta Devi, a recipient of several of India's highest civilian and literary awards and the Magsaysay prize - Asia's equivalent of the Nobel Prize - has challenged the home minister to arrest her."

"Himanshu Kumar, a "Gandhian" who runs the legal-aid NGO Vanavasi Chetna Ashram in Dantewada, has also been repeatedly targeted by the police. His office was burned down last year."


Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

"Delhi targets rebels with a cause
By Sudha Ramachandran
Jun 8, 2010

BANGALORE - The Indian government has hit back at civil society groups who claim its "war against Maoists" is targeted at tribals living in the conflict zone rather than the rebels, accusing them of being rebel sympathizers.

The Home Ministry last month warned "civil society groups, non-governmental organizations (NGOs), intellectuals and the general public" that "supporting the CPI [Communist Party of India - Maoist] ideology" would attract action under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act (UAPA) of 1967.

Section 39 of the act states that "any person who commits the offense of supporting a terrorist organization with inter alia intention to further the activities of such groups would be liable to be punished with imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or with fine or with both".


The Maoists were declared a terrorist organization under the UAPA in June last year. Operations against them have been ongoing for several years but in November last year the government launched a coordinated military offensive called "Operation Green Hunt".

The operation, which is focused on five states in central and eastern India - Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand and West Bengal - aims ostensibly to eliminate the rebel group, which the government claims want to overthrow the Indian state.

Violence between security forces and the Maoists have since reached unprecedented levels. In April, a Maoist attack on security forces in Dantewada claimed the lives of 76 troops, while a roadside bomb destroyed a loaded bus there in May, killing at least 40. The deadly derailment of a passenger train in West Bengal on May 28 killed some 140 people, but the rebels have denied involvement.

Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram has come under criticism from civil society activists for Green Hunt's objectives and strategy. For example, Supreme Court advocate and activist Prashant Bhushan says it seems the operation is aimed not at weakening the Maoists, but at driving out tribals from their homes so mining firms can exploit natural resources on their lands.

"Green Hunt is creating a civil war situation in mineral-rich areas, where tribals live. It plans to drive them out of here so that mining corporations can enter and begin extracting minerals that the military offensive is aimed," he told Asia Times Online.

Such criticism has raised the hackles of Chidambaram, mining corporations and proponents of the military offensive. Bhushan says anyone who criticizes the government's approach towards tribals or calls for an end to Green Hunt has now been deemed a "Maoist sympathizer".

Bhushan is one such activist, Others who share the tag include Booker Prize winner and human-rights activist, Arundhati Roy and Kavita Srivastava, general secretary of the People's Union for Civil Liberties.

The historian Ramachandra Guha, Delhi University professor Nandini Sundar and retired bureaucrat E A S Sarma, who petitioned the Supreme Court challenging the Salwa Judum - a government-sponsored vigilante group that fights Maoists in Dantewada in Chhattisgarh - have also been named alongside a host of other civil society activists.

The government appears to equating those who are open Maoist supporters with those it labels as sympathizers.

"The government is adopting the [former US president] George W Bush approach," says Sharanya Nayak, an activist who works on rights issues with tribals in Dantewada and Koraput in Orissa. "It's 'if you are not for us, you are against us' again," she said.

Nayak claims the government's definition of a rebel sympathizer is so "open-ended", that "anyone working for tribal rights will get branded as pro-Maoist". She said this was the case with Binayak Sen, a doctor who was working among tribals in Chhattisgarh and is a well-known human-rights activist. Sen was arrested in 2007 under the UAPA and the even more draconian Chhattisgarh Special Public Security Act (CSPSA) before being released last year on bail.

Himanshu Kumar, a "Gandhian" who runs the legal-aid NGO Vanavasi Chetna Ashram in Dantewada, has also been repeatedly targeted by the police. His office was burned down last year.
Hundreds of tribal activists, including minors, have been jailed for allegedly waging war against the state in Maoist areas.

The Home Ministry has named 57 organizations it says are working "for the cause of the Maoists". "The outfit [CPI-Maoist] has 57 front bodies working among the peasants, laborers, women, students, tribals, backward castes, etc, which supplement the activities of the armed cadres and mobilize the masses ostensibly for the cause of the people, but primarily for the cause of the party."

While some of the organizations may have links with the rebels, most are the NGOs operating not underground but in the public domain. Many are working to improve the rights of India's most marginalized groups.

Among those on the Home Ministry's watch list are the PUCL and the People's Union for Democratic Rights (PUDR), which have functioned as human-rights watchdogs for decades. The PUCL and PUDR have both been sharply critical of Maoist attacks on civilians. Other organizations like the Chhattisgarh Mukti Morcha (CMM) have fielded candidates in state elections.

Thirty of these 57 organizations have been put on a watch-list of higher alert. These include the Bandi Mukti Morcha, a human-rights organization in West Bengal which is led by noted litterateur and social activist Mahasweta Devi. The Bandi Mukti Morcha has been vociferous in its criticism of the West Bengal government, which has been accused of grabbing land from rural poor to sell to private firms.

The Eighty-five-year-old Mahasweta Devi, a recipient of several of India's highest civilian and literary awards and the Magsaysay prize - Asia's equivalent of the Nobel Prize - has challenged the home minister to arrest her. "But he has to prove my Maoist connections first," she says.


Roy, whose essay "Walking with Comrades" led the Chhattisgarh government to contemplate legal action against her under the CSPSA, has now dared the government to arrest her. "I am on the side of the Maoists," she has said, adding: "I do not care ... pick me up, put me in jail."

Chidambaram and the mainstream media have accused the "sympathizers" of being pro-Maoist and pro-violence. But this ignores that organizations like PUCL and PUDR have criticized the Maoists for their recent deadly wave of attacks.

Political observers say the government's attempt to silence civil society activists is an error since these people - unlike most politicians or bureaucrats - have travelled in the conflict zones and engaged with a cross-section of society. Civil society workers would know Green Hunt's flaws and impacts better than anyone else.

Retired director general of police, K S Subrahmanyam, has suggested that Chidambaram should start listening to civil society and human-rights groups instead of relying heavily on intelligence inputs from police. Subrahmanyam says the latter are focused on security and oblivious to the larger issues of structural imbalances, development issues and displacement that many believe underlie the Maoist problem.

Although the government is taking aim at what is calls "Maoist sympathizers", it seems that no activity has fueled the expansion of the Maoist's violent activities more than Operation Green Hunt and the mining operations in tribal areas. Both have fed tribal alienation and anger, likely pushing youth to join the the rebels.

Sudha Ramachandran is an independent journalist/researcher based in Bangalore."
 
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Most of you guys are hopelessly anti-China. You're willing to sacrifice your rationalism and succumb to your emotions.

How simple can this issue possibly be? There are clearly written laws in every country. If a citizen intentionally breaks the law in India, they go to jail. Similarly, if a citizen intentionally breaks the law in China, they go to jail.

Either you guys are too dumb to understand something so simple or your anti-Chinese attitude has overwhelmed your common sense. In either case, I cannot help you. Good luck in becoming sane someday.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I honestly don't see how this man's actions are deserving of such a punishment and rebuke from the Chinese government. I've read news site throughout the US and Latin America, Al Jazeera and Xinhua and the most they say about him is that he was "mischevious". But is that really worth an 11 year prison sentence? Or even worth so much effort on behalf of the Chinese government?

I don't care what "the law" says. Does the punishment really fit the crime???
 
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