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China sends missiles to contested South China Sea island: Fox News

We always welcome our American friends aid to protect from the SCS pirate.
Is it just me or have you softened your tone?:o: Maybe im confusing you with another poster... Does the SCS have a problem with piracy still? I mean more than poaching. Well in anycase it would serve as a quick reaction force for natural disaster aid as well. So that would be a regional benefit.
 
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If it means curtailing American influence in Asia if not the world then I fully support China's muscle flexing. Kick the Americans out of Asia. This is our continent.

Not only that; we must also make Australia and New Zealand as satraps and total dependencies so as to negate the American influence in Oceania. This is why I believe we must actively develop and encourage the maturation of Indonesia and thus make Indonesia militarily greater to place Australia ever on the defense. At the same time, imbed Jakarta into the Maritime Silk Road Paradigm. Indonesia, ASEAN, all of it.

We always welcome our American friends aid to protect from the SCS pirate.

@xunzi ,

What i sometimes smile about is how some uber-patriotic Filipinos, Vietnamese, and even Americans fail to see is that China, tho involved in political disagreement over the SCS and islands , has maturely risen above and differentiated politic from the greater humanitarian world view. I mean , back in 2013 whenTyphoon Haiyan leveled the Philippines' Leyte and Samar Region, and wiped out the city of Tacloban, it was actually China who sent the PLAN's Hospital Ship, the Peace Ark. Which provided much needed intensive care unit and emergency care unit resource to hundreds and thousands of affected Filipinos. To the point that the PLAN was actually deployed in Philippine Soil.

This is how mature China is. It can differentiate politic from humanitarianism.

Since they say "a picture is worth a thousand words", let me share:


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PLAN's Peace Ark en route to Leyte, Philippines in 2013.


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What i sometimes smile about is how some uber-patriotic Filipinos, Vietnamese, and even Americans fail to see is that China, tho involved in political disagreement over the SCS and islands , has maturely risen above and differentiated politic from the greater humanitarian world view. I mean , back in 2013 whenTyphoon Haiyan leveled the Philippines' Leyte and Samar Region, and wiped out the city of Tacloban, it was actually China who sent the PLAN's Hospital Ship, the Peace Ark. Which provided much needed intensive care unit and emergency care unit resource to hundreds and thousands of affected Filipinos. To the point that the PLAN was actually deployed in Philippine Soil.

This is how mature China is. It can differentiate politic from humanitarianism.

Since they say "a picture is worth a thousand words", let me share:

The main reason the Chinese gov't send the PLAN hospital ship is to save face and not really to help us, Filipinos. We even caught a Chinese spy that came with the ship.

After Stingy Aid to Typhoon Victims, China Tries Damage Control
By Bruce Einhorn November 20, 2013

After Stingy Aid to Typhoon Haiyan Victims, China Tries Damage Control - Businessweek

US-China spy games in storm-hit Philippines? Pacific power play simmers

He was wearing tattered clothes but, suspiciously, had a brand-new camera. And he was using it to snap photos not of the evacuees he was with, but of the US military aircraft on the runway.

US and allied officials concluded that he was a spy for China.

US-China spy games in storm-hit Philippines? Pacific power play simmers. (+video) - CSMonitor.com

 
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The main reason the Chinese gov't send the PLAN hospital ship is to save face and not really to help us, Filipinos. We even caught a Chinese spy that came with the ship.

After Stingy Aid to Typhoon Victims, China Tries Damage Control
By Bruce Einhorn November 20, 2013

After Stingy Aid to Typhoon Haiyan Victims, China Tries Damage Control - Businessweek

US-China spy games in storm-hit Philippines? Pacific power play simmers

He was wearing tattered clothes but, suspiciously, had a brand-new camera. And he was using it to snap photos not of the evacuees he was with, but of the US military aircraft on the runway.

US and allied officials concluded that he was a spy for China.

US-China spy games in storm-hit Philippines? Pacific power play simmers. (+video) - CSMonitor.com

Irrelevant , and that is merely a sign of discord. The fact is that the Chinese sent a hospital ship, deployed their personnel in Leyte, and also gave financial assistance. Perhaps it is best to look into their view ; this was in 2013 and during the height of the tension. Let us approach this comprehensively --- that despite the travesty in Haiyan --- still, the Chinese, tho who were embroiled in a disagreement with Manila over the SCS , still managed to deploy their Fleet Hospital Ship along with immense medical supplies and resources. Not only using their ship born medical facilities, but also deploying naval personnel and medical personnel in Tacloban , Leyte to maintain a triage facility and portable medical relief shelter throughout the ordeal. In fact, the amount of aid they (Chinese) gave was more than what Japan gave, to be honest. Mind you that we Japanese were not in any standoff with Manila.

The Chinese gave, The Chinese responded. That is the truth of the matter, and that speaks a lot about them. That they can be still humanitarian even despite with the Philippines, whom they have sensitive disputes with.

As for sensationalism, my friend, its best to take western propaganda mouthpieces with a grain of salt. The US, of course, views any cooperation between Manila and Beijing with deep vehemence.

Chinese naval personnel delivering much needed medical and food aid in Tacloban:

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Even before Manila could send any aid of its own, PLAN already was active on the ground in Tacloban


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Philippine Navy personnel cooperating with PLAN


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Constant streamrolling of moving critical ill Filipinos into the peace ark, which treated hundreds of Filipinos.
Provision of emergency surgical operations, and blood transfusions, as well as intensive care support and anasthetic support.

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Again, en route to Peace Ark.

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En route to Peace Ark
 
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On the Ground; PLAN's medical staff performing podiatric surgery on Filipinos. Note the PLAN medical staff performed THOUSANDS of surgeries for Filipinos in Haiyan, and saved hundreds of lives who would have died.

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Not only that; we must also make Australia and New Zealand as satraps and total dependencies so as to negate the American influence in Oceania. This is why I believe we must actively develop and encourage the maturation of Indonesia and thus make Indonesia militarily greater to place Australia ever on the defense. At the same time, imbed Jakarta into the Maritime Silk Road Paradigm. Indonesia, ASEAN, all of it.



@xunzi ,

What i sometimes smile about is how some uber-patriotic Filipinos, Vietnamese, and even Americans fail to see is that China, tho involved in political disagreement over the SCS and islands , has maturely risen above and differentiated politic from the greater humanitarian world view. I mean , back in 2013 whenTyphoon Haiyan leveled the Philippines' Leyte and Samar Region, and wiped out the city of Tacloban, it was actually China who sent the PLAN's Hospital Ship, the Peace Ark. Which provided much needed intensive care unit and emergency care unit resource to hundreds and thousands of affected Filipinos. To the point that the PLAN was actually deployed in Philippine Soil.

This is how mature China is. It can differentiate politic from humanitarianism.

Since they say "a picture is worth a thousand words", let me share:


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PLAN's Peace Ark en route to Leyte, Philippines in 2013.


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Chinese medical officers treating a Filipina


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You need to say that to yourselves first before you can dream big on getting Australia and New Zealand in line with Chinese Policy, do you even know how many people in Australia hated the Chinese?

Get rid of the US troop in Japan first, then talk big, not when you have your own country "occupied" by a foreign entity, and then you say something like that, or, alternative, why stop at Australia and New Zealand? Why not try to get rid of the US influence in Canada and Mexico?? If your sole purpose is to talk big??

And lol at what you think at Indonesia

@madokafc seems like someone trying to tilt the Indo-Aussie relationship off balance. What you say mate?
 
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On the Ground; PLAN's medical staff performing podiatric surgery on Filipinos. Note the PLAN medical staff performed THOUSANDS of surgeries for Filipinos in Haiyan, and saved hundreds of lives who would have died.

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AS if only PLAN is doing such thing....With one post, you single-handedly take away all other nation contribution on Humanilitian effort for Typhoon Haiyan in Philippine.

Crew of HMAS Tobruk honoured with Philippines service medals | Navy Daily

USNS Mercy Readies to Aid Typhoon Haiyan Victims | NBC 7 San Diego

Typhoon Haiyan: US carrier boosts Philippines relief effort - BBC News

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In fact, if I remember correctly, China gave support to Philippine in the Mexico Level, which were being lambasted for it lacking of aids given by the fastest growing economy in the world back then
 
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What i sometimes smile about is how some uber-patriotic Filipinos, Vietnamese, and even Americans fail to see is that China, tho involved in political disagreement over the SCS and islands , has maturely risen above and differentiated politic from the greater humanitarian world view. I mean , back in 2013 whenTyphoon Haiyan leveled the Philippines' Leyte and Samar Region, and wiped out the city of Tacloban, it was actually China who sent the PLAN's Hospital Ship, the Peace Ark. Which provided much needed intensive care unit and emergency care unit resource to hundreds and thousands of affected Filipinos. To the point that the PLAN was actually deployed in Philippine Soil.

This is how mature China is. It can differentiate politic from humanitarianism.

A very precise point of view which adds "humanitarianism" as a second aspect to China's foreign policy conceptualization (another aspect being "developmentalism"). All in all, it structurally differs from US' "militarized" and "securitized" foreign policy which seeks discord to stay relevant and when there is no discord, seeks to create one.

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On the Xisha facilities, they are defensive by nature and more will be coming.

China's defensive development program will extend to Nansha Islands when the required infrastructure is complete.

http://china.org.cn/world/2016-02/18/content_37813591.htm
 
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A very precise point of view which adds "humanitarianism" as a second aspect to China's foreign policy conceptualization (another aspect being "developmentalism"). All in all, it structurally differs from US' "militarized" and "securitized" foreign policy which seeks discord to stay relevant and when there is no discord, seeks to create one.

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On the Xisha facilities, they are defensive by nature and more will be coming.

China's defensive development program will extend to Nansha Islands when the required infrastructure is complete.

http://china.org.cn/world/2016-02/18/content_37813591.htm

Interesting enough i've been doing some back log reviewing on past humanitarian efforts between Beijing and Manila. Actually, ive noticed it is rather massive, and only decreased starting in 2012 after the Scarborough Shoal. Its interesting really how such a minor disagreement was used by western peerage to strain the blossoming relations between Beijing and Manila ; coincidentally at the same time as the "Pivot" was declared by Barry, lol. What an insidious maneuvering by our Washington state actor friends.

Luckily , my friend, Beijing and Tokyo have risen above this and are working to reharmonize relations. If you have noticed that the US' onus and concentration now is in SCS after she has realized that Tokyo is unwilling to further strain relations with China.

Anyways, just a conjecture i wanted to share with you and our reader friends.
 
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Luckily , my friend, Beijing and Tokyo have risen above this and are working to reharmonize relations. If you have noticed that the US' onus and concentration now is in SCS after she has realized that Tokyo is unwilling to further strain relations with China.

That's indeed an interesting observation, my friend. I guess it opens a window of opportunity in Northeast Asia to take some concrete steps without receiving US wrath too much when it is now concentrated on the SCS.

China, I expect, will take such incremental steps to keep the US play by the tune while pushing aggressively on the diplomatic front.

A similar phenomenon can be observed in terms of China-EU relations as well as Japan-Russia relations. In any case, Northeast Asia seems to have mastered to handle the US in an appropriate way -- without putting our lives and fortunes at risk but also reinforcing our sovereignty at each passing day.

This innovative diplomacy must continue by the end of this decade. Then, perhaps, China and its NEA neighbors will come out more strongly to give the US a shocker.

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Military factors injected by US provocation in the South China Sea
Source: Global Times
Published: 2016-2-18 0:33:01


In an exclusive report, Fox News claimed that it obtained civilian satellite imagery which appears to show China's HQ-9 air defense system on Yongxing Island, part of the Xisha Islands in the South China Sea. Fox News used this as evidence that China is increasingly "militarizing" its islands and "ramping up tensions in the region." Many Western media picked up the news.

They probably aren't clear about the differences between the constructed islands in Nansha Islands and Yongxing Island in Xisha. The disputes over the sovereignty of islands in Nansha are sharp, while the Xisha Islands are under the actual control of China.

China has released the baseline of the territorial sea to the Xisha Islands and their sovereignty is not disputed. Meanwhile, Yongxing is the largest of the Xisha Islands and the location of the city of Sansha. Defensive weapons were deployed on the island in the past. Even if the presence of the HQ-9 system is true as the West has claimed, it is a matter of China's sovereignty and it is fully legitimate for China to do so.

US authorities and opinion have paid particular attention to the "militarization" of the South China Sea, which shows the absurdity of US-style hegemonic mentality. The US, an outsider, has injected the most military elements in the region. It will reopen military bases in the Philippines.

Facing more frequent provocations from the US military, China should strengthen self-defense in the islands in the South China Sea. The deployment of defense systems is not in the domain of militarization, as militarization of islands often means they are built into a fortress to become an outpost of military contests.

Guam is a typical example of US militarization. In recent years, Guam has deployed offensive nuclear submarines and various missile systems which are aimed at deterring China, making it the new pillar of US military deterrence in the Pacific.

At least currently, China finds it does not need to militarize the islands to cope with the other South China Sea claimants. As long as Washington does not inject tensions, China has no motivation to do so. Uncertainties in the future come from the US side.

Once the US repeatedly sends warships to make provocations at Chinese islands and threatens the security of Chinese people and facilities on the islands, more military equipment should be deployed to counter US provocations. This is common in contemporary international relations.

Once the South China Sea is militarized, it will only add to China's strategic costs. Therefore, China will hardly resort to the last choice.

China is serious about ensuring stability and prosperity around the South China Sea and has invested enormous energy and resources. The region is adjacent to the route of China's "One Belt, One Road" initiative and China's efforts are eliminating vulnerability caused by a lack of security trust.

Even if the HQ-9s are deployed on South China Sea islands, regional countries would not raise much concern as these claimants have no intention to fight for air supremacy. Jet fighters from the US, an outside country, may feel uneasy when making provocative flights in the region. To us, that's a proper result.
 
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Not only that; we must also make Australia and New Zealand as satraps and total dependencies so as to negate the American influence in Oceania. This is why I believe we must actively develop and encourage the maturation of Indonesia and thus make Indonesia militarily greater to place Australia ever on the defense. At the same time, imbed Jakarta into the Maritime Silk Road Paradigm. Indonesia, ASEAN, all of it.

What i sometimes smile about is how some uber-patriotic Filipinos, Vietnamese, and even Americans fail to see is that China, tho involved in political disagreement over the SCS and islands , has maturely risen above and differentiated politic from the greater humanitarian world view. I mean , back in 2013 whenTyphoon Haiyan leveled the Philippines' Leyte and Samar Region, and wiped out the city of Tacloban, it was actually China who sent the PLAN's Hospital Ship, the Peace Ark. Which provided much needed intensive care unit and emergency care unit resource to hundreds and thousands of affected Filipinos. To the point that the PLAN was actually deployed in Philippine Soil.

This is how mature China is. It can differentiate politic from humanitarianism


Am I hearing this right? I wonder where will Japan be without US to save it's bacon.

Still it's a rare sight to see someone from your country pitching in for China, it makes for a change in what are repetitive banter. Might I ask what is the end game here? Cause despite what folks might believe end of the day there are historic differences b/w Japan and China and China is one day going to extract it's pound of flesh for the perceived crimes committed during WW2 - As they say Revenge is a dish best served cold. The bickering over some islands is just the window dressing to keep the conflict.

I see alarm bells ringing in Japan over recent N. Korean tests - and everyone in the know knows that who controls that leash. It was neigh impossible for N. Korea to get it's hands on Nuclear Weapons and advanced missile tech without a nudge here and there from China which practically is single handily running N. Korean economy. It might be good to give some thought to what the actual dynamics are b.w China, US, N. Korea and Japan instead of a quixotic quest for Pan Asian which is not only amusing but actually dangerous if there are others that subscribe to your viewpoint.

The fact is that China will keep on pushing it's luck until it meets firm boundaries and certain countries have decided now that appeasement of China is unlikely to work hence you see anti China tri laterals and quadrilaterals forming in Indo Pacific. Countries who have nothing in stake like Indonesia are unlikely to get themselves in involved in what is the defining conflict of our times while others like Vietnam, US, Philippines, S. Korea, India etc are all manoeuvring to get themselves in best position to offer maximum resistance to unilateral territorial aggression of China.

A token gesture like sending an humanitarian mission is unlikely to cut much ice.
 
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We are LEGION in the Japanese Academia. :)

I see, I would appreciate an academic product of this legion then endorsing such a position. I don't read Japanese but AFAIK there isn't any body of work by prominent Japanese strategists advocating for such a drastic realignment. Infact some may even consider such an innovative viewpoint to be treasonous.
 
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On the Ground; PLAN's medical staff performing podiatric surgery on Filipinos. Note the PLAN medical staff performed THOUSANDS of surgeries for Filipinos in Haiyan, and saved hundreds of lives who would have died.

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Funny you are using Tyhpoon Haiyan to praise the Chinese Government effort on Humanitarian works. Then this headline does not make a good reading I guess. Or is it some sort of Western Conspiracy coming out of the western imperialist, I supposed?

Typhoon Haiyan: China gives less aid to Philippines than Ikea | World news | The Guardian

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Typhoon Haiyan: China gives less aid to Philippines than Ikea
World's second largest economy pledges less than $2m to help relief effort, compared to furniture store's $2.7m

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The US has provided $20m for typhoon Haiyan relief efforts, along with a military-driven rescue operation. Photograph: Jeoffrey Maitem/Getty Images
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The Swedish furniture chain Ikea is giving more financial aid to the Philippines than China following the category 5 typhoon that hit the country last week.

The world's second-largest economy has pledged less than $2m in cash and materials, compared to $20m provided by the United States, which also launched a massive military-driven rescue operation that includes an aircraft carrier.

Another Chinese rival, Japan, has pledged $10m and offered to send troops, ships and planes. Australia is giving $28m, and even Ikea's offer of $2.7m through its charitable foundation beats that of China.

China's reluctance to give more, driven by a row with Manila over overlapping claims in the South China Sea, dents its global image at a time when it is vying with Washington for regional influence.

"China has missed an excellent opportunity to show itself as a responsible power and to generate goodwill," said Zheng Yongnian, a China politics expert at the National University of Singapore. "They still lack strategic thinking."

The decline of American influence in Asia, with China filling the vacuum, has been predicted for years. Asian nations have become increasingly dependent on China's booming economy to purchase their exports, and Chinese companies are increasingly providers of investment and employment.

Yet China lags far behind the US in soft power, the winning of hearts and minds through culture, education and other non-traditional forms of diplomacy, of which emergency assistance is a major component.

Despite Chinese academics' frequent promotion of soft power, Chinese leaders don't really get it, said Zheng. Instead, they continue to rely on the levers of old-fashioned major-nation diplomacy based on economic and military might. "They still think they can get their way through coercion," Zheng said.

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China's donations to Philippines include $100,000 each from the government and the Chinese Red Cross, and it is sending an additional $1.64m worth of tents, blankets and other goods.

Though Beijing's territorial claims overlap with Vietnam and others, it has singled out the Philippines, apparently because of Manila's energetic assertions of its own claims. Beijing was enraged by Manila's decision to send the dispute to international arbitration and constantly rails against its close military alliance with the US.

China's generosity with the Philippines hasn't entirely dried up. It pledged $80,000 to the Philippines last month following a major earthquake there, in addition to this week's pledges. And the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, expressed his sympathy to his Philippine counterpart, Benigno Aquino, in the latest disaster, although a five full days later and without mentioning assistance.

Zhu Feng, an international relations expert at Peking University, said the amount donated "reflects the political deadlock, if not outright hostility, between the two countries. The political atmosphere is the biggest influence."

An additional factor could be that China is a relative newcomer to overseas disaster relief. The country sent tents and a medical mission to the hardest-hit Aceh province in Indonesia after the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, and government and public donations were in the millions of dollars.

Since then, China's participation has been mainly limited to assisting its close ally Pakistan with flood and earthquake relief and some help to foreign nationals fleeing Libya during an unprecedented mission to evacuate 30,000 of its citizens from the war-torn nation.
 
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