China seething after India issues visa to Uyghur ‘terrorist’

[Nilgiri]

The key difference between this Uighur guy and JeM guy:

a) Only China labels him a terrorist. No other country that matters does so. Look at their activities in Europe and US. Freedom of movement everywhere, gatherings, meetings, resource accumulation, cooperation with other Altaic nations like Turkey...all under the nose of the Chinese "notice" to interpol. No one takes the label by China seriously.

b) JeM guy: Only China objected to him being labelled as a terrorist using its veto. None of its P5 peers supported it, neither did any of the temporary council members (AFAIK).

India is fully within its right to host all Uighur, Tibetan and other China separatists who are peaceful (they have renounced violent means).

China by providing a shield to an actual terrorist recognised by many 3rd party powers (like the rest of the P5) only continues to drive a wedge between it and India so should not complain about the consequences when India hosts its separatists. China is free to bring a motion to get this Uighur guy/ Dalai Lama or whichever other separatist declared a terrorist by UN. Lets see which UNSC members agree with China. Lets put it to the test.

 

[jamahir]

Why crying ,we dont consider him terrorist as there is question mark on defenation regarding terrorim just like china question on azhar (JEM chief)

that is silly.

these so-called peaceful activists from east-turkestan/xinjiang are connected with groups like qaeda and hizb-ut-tahrir... does your definition of terrorist include such groups??

and there is the point of the indian tableeghi jamaat and cranks like zakir naik connected with all these groups.

but sanghi and mullah always went together anyway.

 

[Nilgiri]

these so-called peaceful activists from east-turkestan/xinjiang are connected with groups like qaeda and hizb-ut-tahrir... does your definition of terrorist include such groups??

Then let China bring these connections to the light of UNSC. Why shy away from it?

If one major country can back China's assertion regarding this, there is some credence maybe.

Till then they continue all their activities a million times more in places like Germany and USA (so China ought to be a million times more mad at those countries which freely ignore/violate its interpol notice)...compared to India which is holding this single conference.

I mean even interpol ignores China's notice. Has it put this Uighur guy on some sanctions list? Has it issued a warrant for terrorist activities?

BTW, what is your opinion on China vetoing Azhar being declared a terrorist by UN. Are you going to support what they did in that instance?

 

[jamahir]

Then let China bring these connections to the light of UNSC. Why shy away from it?

If one major country can back China's assertion regarding this, there is some credence maybe.

Till then they continue all their activities a million times more in places like Germany and USA (so China ought to be a million times more mad at those countries which freely violate its interpol notice)...compared to India which is holding this single conference.

yes, china must primarily include usa government and other western governments for allowing terrorist activity from their soil but sadly china government ( not the party perhaps ) seems not to want to upset the western clients of china's rubbish consumer goods manufacture industry.

however, gaddafi said in his historic 2009 uno general assembly speech that since establishment of uno there have been 65 big and small wars and the uno, the uno-sc especially, hardly was able to keep "united nations" security order in the world, especially with all the permanent members of the uno-sc instigating or participating in these wars.

and this speech was of course before the huge uno secretary general sanctioned regime-change wars in libya and syria.

BTW, what is your opinion on China vetoing Azhar being declared a terrorist by UN. Are you going to support what they did in that instance?

i don't support.

 

[Hellfire]

Pakistan is our friend for sure but we never have an alliance treaty, saying that China protect our ally's asset is purely a false accusation. As for CPEC the security of the corridor in on Pakistan's hand and Uyghur separatism issue has nothing to do with Pakistan, it's illogic to say these are China's interest.

Underlined part: Didn't say you have. Only you use Pakistan to have fun with India that is all. And that's diplomacy. From my point of view - absolutely fair.

Bold Part: That is your view, personally. I told you the pragmatic reasons. While the security of the CPEC is indeed with Pakistan as you say, yet you have deployed troops along Gilgit-Baltistan Axes to ensure protection of your workforce as also to insulate the movement of muslim militants to Uighur. If you feel that Uighur separatism has nothing to do with Pakistan, then you are in disconnect with your government's thinking too. The training camps in North West Pakistan are the breeding grounds for all Islamic Fundamentalist acts with or without Pakistani Government support. Cadres have moved from there to Uighur too. Check at your end .....


http://www.wsj.com/articles/web-preaches-jihad-to-chinas-muslim-uighurs-1403663568

http://www.dw.com/en/why-chinas-uighurs-are-joining-jihadists-in-afghanistan/a-18605630

http://www.dawn.com/news/1143134

If you go through the third reference, a Pakistani source, you will realize why your statement is in disconnect with what your government thinks. Here even Pakistanis are agreeing .......

 

[Nilgiri]

yes, china must primarily include usa government and other western governments for allowing terrorist activity from their soil but sadly china government ( not the party perhaps ) seems not to want to upset the clients of china's rubbish consumer manufacture industry.

however, gaddafi said in his historic 2009 uno general assembly speech that since establishment of uno there have been 65 big and small wars and the uno, the uno-sc especially, hardly was able to keep "united nations" security order in the world, especially with all the permanent members of the uno-sc instigating or participating in these wars.

and this speech was of course before the huge uno secretary general sanctioned regime-change wars in libya and syria.

Fair enough. China probably knows how to play the "token protest" card very well. It is big enough after all.

I would be interested to see if Russia backs them on agreeing this Uighur activists are terrorists. I know the others wont (in P5).

Also would be an interesting dynamic regarding Turkey...who are very pro Uighur/East Turkestan....and Turkey is supposedly a natural ally of Pakistan (who are arguably now a Chinese client state).

Such an interesting intricate geopolitical world we live in!

i don't support.

K good to know. At least you are consistent then.

 

[jamahir]

I would be interested to see if Russia backs them on agreeing this Uighur activists are terrorists. I know the others wont (in P5).

russia may, as the reactionary groups in dagestan and chechnya are connected to those in east turkestan and all these groups are major contributors of fighters in the syria war where of course russia is deeply involved in.

Also would be an interesting dynamic regarding Turkey...who are very pro Uighur/East Turkestan....and Turkey is supposedly a natural ally of Pakistan (who are arguably now a Chinese client state).

Such an interesting intricate geopolitical world we live in!

interesting indeed, though pakistan would of course speak on being on brotherly terms with china rather than being a client.

i think it would be natural to elicit the opinion of @PaklovesTurkiye.

 

[Nilgiri]

interesting indeed, though pakistan would of course speak on being on brotherly terms with china rather than being a client.

i think it would be natural to elicit the opinion of @PaklovesTurkiye.

There was a huge call by a bunch of Chinese members (then) for Putin to start nuking Turkey (after they shot down the Russian fencer jet). I still remember that thread. One would think world war 3 was right around the corner.

There is much bad blood between the Turkey uber-nationalists and Chinese ones was my conclusion..because of Uighur issue/support.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Soon you will be found whining along with your govt.. few days ago you were whining on masood issue and now u are trying to be supa powa

The last time I saw, the Chinese are calling guys who have called against Chinese aggression peacefully, protesting as Terrorists. I am guessing how insecure they are.
The Chinese will see a lot more like this on Tibetian issue if they take us for granted. We can equally create problems for China, if they ignore our genuine concerns.

 

[jamahir]

There was a huge call by a bunch of Chinese members (then) for Putin to start nuking Turkey (after they shot down the Russian fencer jet). I still remember that thread. One would think world war 3 was right around the corner.

There is much bad blood between the Turkey uber-nationalists and Chinese ones was my conclusion..because of Uighur issue/support.

sadly, most chinese members here are nationalists so won't know or acknowledge that turkey is not just erdogan... there are quite a few progressive/socialist groups in turkey wanting overthrow of nato-affiliated erdogan and his akp party... the massive twin bomb blasts in ankara last year killed 100+ and injured 400+ anti-erdogan progressives who wanted to express solidarity and talk peace making with kurds... this bombing certainly was done by either the erdogan government or his akp party or any reactionary group getting erdogan's support.

i am sure the chinese government or its organs give support to the turkish progressives.

these chinese members here should acknowledge the nuances rather than patter bland nationalist slogans.

and the turkish membership here is idiotic... i am not liked by them.

 

[Parul]

Clutching at Straws? 100's of sources are available at Google.com which shows why Maulana Masood Azhar was released.

Am I surprised - Masood Azhar is the Good Terrorist for you.

Three years earlier, he was freed from an Indian prison in exchange for passengers on a hijacked Indian Airlines jet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/578369.stm

I don't want to hijack this thread by discussion CPEC, we will have occasion to talk about it.

Let me ask you a question - An Indian National is prisoned for the act of Terrorism in China. Later, Chinese Civilian Aircraft with 160 odd civilans on board is Hijacked by Taliban & taken to Kandhar, Afghanistan.

Taliban asks Chinese Government to Release Indian National from Prison Or, they'll kill all the Hostages. To save the lives of 160 Civilians, the Chinese Government decides to release that Indian National aka Terrorist.

Now, China Asks UN to declare that Indian National a UN wanted Terrorist - Russia Veto's it.

Would that Indian National be a Terrorist Or, Not?

 

[Nan Yang]

Clutching at Straws? 100's of sources are available at Google.com which shows why Maulana Masood Azhar was released.

Am I surprised - Masood Azhar is the Good Terrorist for you.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/578369.stm



Let me ask you a question - An Indian National is prisoned for the act of Terrorism in China. Later, Chinese Civilian Aircraft with 160 odd civilans on board is Hijacked by Taliban & taken to Kandhar, Afghanistan.

Taliban asks Chinese Government to Release Indian National from Prison Or, they'll kill all the Hostages. To save the lives of 160 Civilians, the Chinese Government decides to release that Indian National aka Terrorist.

Now, China Asks UN to declare that Indian National a UN wanted Terrorist - Russia Veto's it.

Would that Indian National be a Terrorist Or, Not?

Maulana Masood Azhar did not hijack the plane. He was fighting a war in Kashmir. He was killing Indian soldiers that were send to kill people like him plus thousands of civilians. Please help me understand how is he a terrorist?

 

[Parul]

Maulana Masood Azhar did not hijack the plane. He was fighting a war in Kashmir. He was killing Indian soldiers that were send to kill people like him plus thousands of civilians. Please help me understand how is he a terrorist?

First Learn about Kashmir's History. You can start by visiting below Link from PDF + check the Kashmir Section + Google.com.

https://defence.pk/threads/the-kashmir-resolutions-explanations.7904/

Let me also try and give you an example:
A Chechen National fighting war in China for Uyghur Separatist - Chinese Government sends Army to Kill that Chechen National & other people whom are fighting along with him.

Is Chinese Army been send to Kill innocent civilians? And is the Chechen National waging war in China or Your Country would be a Freedom Fighter for you?

One cannot Win War against Terrorism on the Planet Earth - Good Terrorist & Bad Terrorist Concept.

 

[Nilgiri]

Maulana Masood Azhar did not hijack the plane. He was fighting a war in Kashmir. He was killing Indian soldiers that were send to kill people like him plus thousands of civilians. Please help me understand how is he a terrorist?

Massood Azhar has directed, organised and called for violence against Kashmiri civilians (that identify as Indian), not just the soldiers. Just look up his speeches in Britain's mosques. His group has killed foreign tourists in Kashmir even.

Please show me one instance where this Uighur person has called for bloodshed against those Uighurs that like to be part of China? He has not even said it for the Chinese forces and Han settlers (he has renounced violence officially whatever he may be part of behind the scenes that no one buys outside of China so far).

 

[Roybot]

From Twitter world:

https://twitter.com/x/status/723648671208763393

Do you always quote yourself from twitter using one of your many ids here on PDF?