China’s Territorial Disputes with India

[Water Car Engineer]

They invaded us and took our resources to conquer a such vast chunk of land.

Similar to the British to India. They used Indians and the wealth gained from India to take AP and Afghan land.

I suggest you find someone of Manchu descend to talk with. Making up opionions for them might be fun for you but I think they might want their own say.

Dont care for the Manchus in your country now. Only the one's that invaded Han China and Tibetian and Mongol land.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I suggest you find someone of Manchu descend to talk with. Making up opionions for them might be fun for you but I think they might want their own say.

The Manchu is basically one of the most integrated ethnicity, even they didn't share a same origin with us like the Tibetan did.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Manchu is basically one of the most integrated ethnicity, even they didn't share a same origin with us like the Tibetan did.

Yes, I understand the situation today.

But your claim to AP is the foreign empires at that time that took China along with Tibet, Mongols and Manchus. In the form of the Manchus invaded China and took AP. You gained the land.

The British did the same thing, Invaded India and took AP along with it and also Afghan land. India gained AP, Pakistan the Afghan lands. Its fair game. Only difference is that British wasnt forced to integrate eventually, because they didnt move all out into India.

 

[CardSharp]

Dont care for the Manchus in your country now. Only the one's that invaded Han China and Tibetian and Mongol land.

I can't understand what you've written so there here goes a short history of the Sino-Indian border.

The British empire was afraid as the Chinese republic (post 1911) could not protect the outer reaches of China from Russia who was seens as expansionists.

If order to protect India, the British sent out expeditions to Tibet, winning battles and taking lands building up a safe zone. This process was not finished when the empire collapsed, Nehru the new guy saw the logic behind the British effort against Tibet to ensure Indian safety, he thought it was a good idea and should be continued under him. Thus the Indians took over British claims to certain parts won by British punitive expositions.


Then Nehru's pansy forward policy (terrible plan) that he use just hoping really hard would work. Zhou EnLai said stop being coldish and do this through negotiations. Nehru said, there is no border issue between China and Indian. Our troops are firmly in command of the areas we claim.


Zhou sighed a little bit and ordered 85,000 acclimatized and battlehardened PLA infantry under Deng Xiao Ping, to neatly steam roller over the Indian army.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes, I understand the situation today.

But your claim to AP is the foreign empires at that time that took China along with Tibet, Mongols and Manchus. In the form of the Manchus invaded China and took AP. You gained the land.

The British did the same thing, Invaded India and took AP along with it and also Afghan land. Its fair game. Only difference is that British wasnt forced to integrate eventually. Because they didn't they didnt move all out into India.

Sorry, over 90% of the Manchus now have became the Han Chinese, and i don't think the majority British folks have became Indians.

 

[Huan]

Tibet was not historically a part of China. Tibet was a vassal state. It was conquered. Do not even compare Tibet with Texas or California. Texas and California are free to secede from the Federation of United States. Tibet was forcefully occupied. So the 'Free Tibet' campaign is legitimate. Why don't you go start a Free Texas or a Free California movement? I double dare you.

Sir, why would I do that, huh? The United States is my homeland. We should not be in the business to separate China since China has not threaten our American sovereignty, but you are acting very arrogant to lecture China on owning Tibet. And even if the so called Free Tibet movement is legitimate, it will fail like it always has.

 

[ephone]

China doesn't have rightful claim to any part of Tibet. Tibet was a vassal state, until it was conquered. We make it our business to get involved everywhere.

Why there is no country in the world that recognizes Tibet??? Not now, not in the past when China fought Korean war with U.S., not when China was the enemy of the U.S., Russia, not when PRC was not even in U.N.???

 

[Roybot]

Why doesn't China claim Vietnam? From what I hear apparently China ruled over Vietnam for 1000 years. Isn't that the logic behind China claiming Arunachal Pradesh or Tibet for that matter?

 

[Bi-Bep]

Why doesn't China claim Vietnam? From what I hear apparently China ruled over Vietnam for 1000 years. Isn't that the logic behind China claiming Arunachal Pradesh or Tibet for that matter?

Sir,

If China has her way, she could want to claim Vietnam as her "sovereignty" as well. Btw, I'd like to have a little correction here. The Northern Part of Vietnam used to be a part of Chinese Empire for about 1,200 years (not ruled like an overlord though). Later (since 980 AD), Vietnam became one of the tributary states to China until the 18th Century or so. Yes, we do share similar cultural value, etc. still Vietnam has gained her independence for a little over 1,000 years already. The main sticky issue here is "Both Paracel & Spratly's islands are Inseparable parts of Vietnam"; Should we ever yield our sovereignty to China, it's just about as good as to yield the whole country to their wish though.

 

[Roybot]

Sir,

If China has her way, she could want to claim Vietnam as her "sovereignty" as well. Btw, I'd like to have a little correction here. The Northern Part of Vietnam used to be a part of Chinese Empire for about 1,200 years (not ruled like an overlord though). Later (since 980 AD), Vietnam became one of the tributary states to China until the 18th Century or so. Yes, we do share similar cultural value, etc. still Vietnam has gained her independence for a little over 1,000 years already.

Sorry if I offended you mate, but thats why I added "apparently". Some Chinese guy was saying that in China-Vietnam thread that China ruled over Vietnam for 1000 years.

The main sticky issue here is "Both Paracel & Spratly's islands are Inseparable parts of Vietnam"; Should we ever yield our sovereignty to China, it's just about as good as to yield the whole country to their wish though.

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of Chinese policy, which claims all the resource rich and scarcely populated regions, on the back of this argument. Tibet belongs to China because once upon a time it was under our rule. Arunachal Pradesh(South Tibet) belongs to China because once upon a time it was under our rule. Spratly and Parcels belongs to China because once upon a time it was under our rule.

Why not claim all the other historical regions which were under some Chinese king? Cause they don't have much to gain there.

What happens if the Mongolians start saying the same. Its just a bs policy and makes their claim flimsy.

 

[prototype]

EagleOne, China has the rightful claim to South Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh), not India. And it is not the business that the U.S. should ever get involved in either.

My friend your assertiveness is not justifiable,your nation is now a days claiming every land in the surrounding areas because during the ice age it was ruled by some Chinese dynasty.

Tibet was never accepted as a nation,even before China took even India did not gave them a nation's status,they they at that time had accepted that Arunachal is a part of India not Tibet,your claims are ridiculous.

If the world go by the Chinese law,now Italian's can claim half the world,because some days Roman's ruled it,so is Greek,Persian's,Mongols and British,this is only foolishness.

 

[Bi-Bep]

My friend your assertiveness is not justifiable,your nation is now a days claiming every land in the surrounding areas because during the ice age it was ruled by some Chinese dynasty.

Tibet was never accepted as a nation,even before China took even India did not gave them a nation's status,they they at that time had accepted that Arunachal is a part of India not Tibet,your claims are ridiculous.

If the world go by the Chinese law,now Italian's can claim half the world,because some days Roman's ruled it,so is Greek,Persian's,Mongols and British,this is only foolishness.

On the other thread, China has potential to become one of the world superpowers; however, as I've pointed out, should China continue to conduct herself as such (imposing her will and suppressing weaker nations) then she could never ever win the respect and cooperation of the rest of the world; thus she would never ever achiever her "superpower" position as she would acclaim.

Regarding, the old tributary system; other smaller states would have to pay tributes to China in exchange for protection, etc. however, in reality it was merely a one way street. If we didn't pay, certainly we would face the wrath of the Empire. I hope China will not conduct herself as such in our modern time.

 

[wealdcn017]

Tibet was not historically a part of China. Tibet was a vassal state. It was conquered. Do not even compare Tibet with Texas or California. Texas and California are free to secede from the Federation of United States. Tibet was forcefully occupied. So the 'Free Tibet' campaign is legitimate. Why don't you go start a Free Texas or a Free California movement? I double dare you.

tibet is part of china over 1000 years, where is US 1000 years ago?

 

[Huan]

On the other thread, China has potential to become one of the world superpowers; however, as I've pointed out, should China continue to conduct herself as such (imposing her will and suppressing weaker nations) then she could never ever win the respect and cooperation of the rest of the world; thus she would never ever achiever her "superpower" position as she would acclaim.

Regarding, the old tributary system; other smaller states would have to pay tributes to China in exchange for protection, etc. however, in reality it was merely a one way street. If we didn't pay, certainly we would face the wrath of the Empire. I hope China will not conduct herself as such in our modern time.

China is already a superpower. lol ^^

 

[wealdcn017]

chinese love peace, not like US. where is indian in north america? you are killing the person without any weapon everyday in iraq and afghanistan.