China, Russia block U.N. council concern about Myanmar violence (against Rohingya Muslims)

[Flynn Swagmire]

They don't think Rohingyas are terrorists. It is more to keep USA at bay.

Muslims are being used as point-scoring which has been the case since the invasion in Middle East. The long con is the untapped resources sitting in Middle East that happen to be consists of Arab people living there. Both USA and China/Russia are promoting proxy wars against each other using Middle East as battleground, and similarity, Rohingya has become another tool as point-scoring for the long game unfortunately.

So, Russia and China wants to keep USA out, costing Rohingyas! Good...

I believe, we urgently need an Islamic Union to protect our future. Else, any harry, tom and dick can skrew us.

What is your opinion on that?

 

[艹艹艹]

Islamic Union

Did you forget the war between Iran and Iraq?
Look at the Islamic world in the middle east and north Africa.
Between them is at war.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Did you forget the war between Iran and Iraq?
Look at the Islamic world in the middle east and north Africa.
Between them is at war.

Minus A-r-a-b-s...

 

[艹艹艹]

Minus A-r-a-b-s...

Don't always look at problems from a religious perspective.
If every religion becomes union , then the world will be more dangerous.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

With whose support... I have suggested already..Muslim alliances..
Whole Rakhine state is belong to them..
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You know what?

1. You overestimate Muslim solidarity. Most Muslims in battle are killed by Muslims, not Hindus, Christians, Buddhists etc.
2. This is Islamic ummah thing has been along for a long time, but it will NEVER come to any fruition because of point 1 above, AND, the fact that Muslims are a diverse bunch.
Let's just look at Muslim-Muslim hate:
a. Shias against Sunni.
b. Hard wing Muslims against liberal muslims
c. Ethnic divide, Turks vs Kurds, and hundreds others.

3. The other thing that Islamic Ummah will never come to anything is because a LOT of the stakeholders will lose.
The Saudis want nothing to do with Pakistanis. After spending decades in Gulf, they still don't get citizenship.
Saudi kings only want to protect their own shining kingdoms.

4. The fact that Islam has never been a strong enough glue is the fact that the country formed on the basis of religion, Pakistan, broke up.

5. Even if all Muslims were to somehow magically unite, the combined strength of that power wouldn't be equal to even the power of China right now.
Take the gdp of ALL Muslim countries and add them. You will see some good insights.
The difference in technology is EVEN more pronounced.
There is a reason why Israel was able to defeat multiple Muslim armies, in the closest thing Muslims have ever mustered as a United front.

7. If there were to be EVER a Pan Muslim solidarity, every major country in the world, India, China, USA, Russia would unite.
Each has its own problems with sections of Muslim population.

6. This whole rakhine separation comes from la La land.
It is not even remotely happening in any scenario.
Even were all imaginable Islamic armies to unite, they have no amphibious capability. It hardly matters even if a billion Muslims in middle east were determined to go fight myanmar, if they don't have amphibious capability.
The only way to attack would be via Bangladesh. Bangladeshs army can literally be challenged by myanmar itself, and then the fact that China will NEVER abandon myanmar against such assault.

 

[武成王]

it's not 'russia and china are against musilim', completely wrong. it's about separatist movement issue. both russia and china has internal separatist movement, i believe pakistan and india also suffer from their own. china's point is consistent, don't support any separatist movement in any country, whatever its ethnicity, religion etc. it's all about 'national interest first'. you can not read the news always from a religion perspective. my understanding is both sides, rohingyas and Mynamar govenment are not innocent, they can not tolerate each other, people should sit down and negotiate, eventually compromise to an agreement.

you may not know that white american special agent are working in jungles of northern mynamar. there's war ongoing in northern mynamar, bomb exploded even in border of Yunnan China. the current situation in mynamar is rather complex.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Don't always look at problems from a religious perspective.
If every religion becomes union , then the world will be more dangerous.

Man, we Muslims face problems from the first day, it isnt alien to us. Our religion united us, we made powerful empires. Now look at us, getting skrewed by every harry, tom and dick just because we lost our religion.

If we Muslims got united, atleast we can have a fair chance to fight and die with honor, not like cocroches.

 

[艹艹艹]

Man, we Muslims face problems from the first day, it isnt alien to us. Our religion united us, we made powerful empires. Now look at us, getting skrewed by every harry, tom and dick just because we lost our religion.

If we Muslims got united, atleast we can have a fair chance to fight and die with honor, not like cocroches.

ok，
Good luck.
I hope you're not a religious extremist.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

it's not 'russia and china are against musilim', completely wrong. it's about separatist movement issue. both russia and china has internal separatist movement, i believe pakistan and india also suffer from their own. china's point is consistent, don't support any separatist movement in any country, whatever its ethnicity, religion etc. it's all about 'national interest first'. you can not read the news always from a religion perspective. my understanding is both sides, rohingyas and Mynamar govenment are not innocent, they can not tolerate each other, people should sit down and negotiate, eventually compromise to an agreement.

you may not know that white american special agent are working in jungles of northern mynamar. there's war ongoing in northern mynamar, bomb exploded even in border of Yunnan China. the current situation in mynamar is rather complex.

Very balanced and even analysis. Agree to it.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

ok，
Good luck.
I hope you're not a religious extremist.

I am a Muslim...

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

You know what?

1. You overestimate Muslim solidarity. Most Muslims in battle are killed by Muslims, not Hindus, Christians, Buddhists etc.
2. This is Islamic ummah thing has been along for a long time, but it will NEVER come to any fruition because of point 1 above, AND, the fact that Muslims are a diverse bunch.
Let's just look at Muslim-Muslim hate:
a. Shias against Sunni.
b. Hard wing Muslims against liberal muslims
c. Ethnic divide, Turks vs Kurds, and hundreds others.

3. The other thing that Islamic Ummah will never come to anything is because a LOT of the stakeholders will lose.
The Saudis want nothing to do with Pakistanis. After spending decades in Gulf, they still don't get citizenship.
Saudi kings only want to protect their own shining kingdoms.

4. The fact that Islam has never been a strong enough glue is the fact that the country formed on the basis of religion, Pakistan, broke up.

5. Even if all Muslims were to somehow magically unite, the combined strength of that power wouldn't be equal to even the power of China right now.
Take the gdp of ALL Muslim countries and add them. You will see some good insights.
The difference in technology is EVEN more pronounced.
There is a reason why Israel was able to defeat multiple Muslim armies, in the closest thing Muslims have ever mustered as a United front.

7. If there were to be EVER a Pan Muslim solidarity, every major country in the world, India, China, USA, Russia would unite.
Each has its own problems with sections of Muslim population.

6. This whole rakhine separation comes from la La land.
It is not even remotely happening in any scenario.
Even were all imaginable Islamic armies to unite, they have no amphibious capability. It hardly matters even if a billion Muslims in middle east were determined to go fight myanmar, if they don't have amphibious capability.
The only way to attack would be via Bangladesh. Bangladeshs army can literally be challenged by myanmar itself, and then the fact that China will NEVER abandon myanmar against such assault.

I appreciate for your points... gave so much time to analyse all above..
You have analysed for last 100 years...or even less..
In all over the world all major countries have problems even India has.. Naxal, bodo, ulfa, dalit, shudras, north east, chattisgarh, kashmir, khalistan, south india, north india, upper caste, lower caste, hindu, muslims bla bla bla bla.. I can assure you until the end of world problems will be there.... even then there are good peoples who sort out the problems.. instead of looking negative points lets see what is our strength and try to resolve is as much as possible..
If you go through the whole history of Muslims before 100 years you will know that...
Muslims fought with two major empire Roman and Persian at a time and defeated them....
Some of your points seems that Muslims will fight all together... I don't think so
China Russia US will all see their interest and join or oppose..
Right now China and Russia both are joining hand with Afghanistan Taliban.. so what does that mean?

All of the countries is fighting for resources not for religion...

I can count many things but it doesn't matter.. so many points of yours is out of context...

If china get more benefits in attaching with Muslim countries than why she will supports Myanmar.. even Myanmar will change its stance when real pressure of loosing Rakhine comes on her way..

 

[艹艹艹]

I am a Muslim...

i know
good luck

 

[武成王]

the root of this issue is just one of series of problems caused by colony of british empire. say tibet, pak-india-bangledash, durran line, you name it. they played a divide and conquer strategy to make asian fight each other, religion is just one of the bloody card to leverage. they're still obtaining benefit from this ugly early investment. i hope fellow asian be rational, tolerant, and united to build a stable, prosperous asia. when you emphasize much on ideology, religion, on how different we're, you're near the trap of fight, this is especially an issue for young people since they are more impetuous, lack of independent, critical thinking capability. if you love your country, you should try to create peace, not fight. the tragedy occurring in syria, afganistan should be a very good lesson for every one here.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

the root of this issue is just one of series of problems caused by colony of british empire. say tibet, pak-india-bangledash, durran line, you name it. they played a divide and conquer strategy to make asian fight each other, religion is just one of the bloody card to leverage. they're still obtaining benefit from this ugly early investment. i hope fellow asian be rational, tolerant, and united to build a stable, prosperous asia. when you emphasize much on ideology, religion, on how different we're, you're near the trap of fight, this is especially an issue for young people since they are more impetuous, lack of independent, critical thinking capability. if you love your country, you should try to create peace, not fight. the tragedy occurring in syria, afganistan should be a very good lesson for every one here.

May be OT but, sometimes back, Indian PM and Musharraf were about to solve India's conflict with Pakistan on Kashmir by declaring LoC as de-jure international border. Guess it didn't go well. If you ask folks here, Pakistani will say we want whole of Kashmir, so will Indians. The solution to this problem is this only -- declare LoC as border and be done with it. It was a missed opportunity.

It will make CPEC more secure and Indian Kashmir more liveable as there will not be requirement to put this huge number of army.

 

[vostok]

Your reply dont answer my question.

I repeat,

Why Russia and China thinks Rohingyas as terrorist?

In my opinion, I already answered you twice. I will answer once again - the West is simply using local Muslims to show itself in a positive light, and Russia and China in a negative light. It's just a trick, a ruse.
You really think they do care about some Islam believers?