China rushing to beat US in the race to space

[Kyle Sun]

no no no , we are just start to catch up.
We are not even in the same league.

 

[jhungary]

Yes...there is not much left to be 'first' in space unless of course if human discover much faster space travel vehicles. Major milestones have already been conquered by US and USSR. I guess there are few things such as 'human settlements' outside earth or mining minerals in outer space and bring back to earth.are yet to be done using present space technology.



I agree...Chinese economy is slowing, debts are increasing, NPA are increasing, reserves are falling and even their currency is loosing value with respect to dollar.

Actually, I have said these many time, NASA can actually colonize the moon if they want. They have the technology and know how to do it.

The problem with colonizing moon is not just simply send men into moon and somehow build a colony (Well, this is the premises of moon colony) The actual colonization is a lot more complicated than that. You need to first select a spot, where you are shelter from the Sun radiation when the moon is not sheltered by the earth, Moon does not have an atmosphere, unlike earth, so any direct expose of Sun's radiation would immediately kill those are in moon.

Another problem related to the location is soil structure, something you need to first went to the moon to know. Soil and material science is the next important step to build colony in moon. Even on earth, you would not build a building on loose dirt. You won't do it in moon which only have 1/6 gravity.

Then you need to be precisely land on the spot you choose (Given if you have chosen the right spot with all the data you got) Unlike here on earth, you cannot take a bus if you are like 3 block away from your destination, meaning you have to get to the right spot ALL THE TIME. and precision landing on moon is something one can get after landed several time on moon.

Then come the sustainability. how you can sustain the colony, how you can provide to and from transport from moon to earth, how you can develop the moon you want to. Again, it's not like you have some sort of space truck that you can haul your material from A to B. You either land them from Earth precisely at those point, or you have to rely on man power. Then comes the living part of the colony, where you find water, electricity, build housing, waste management, all that you need to take care off. Like you want to use nuclear power plant or build a solar farm on the pole of moon so they will always have solar energy? But then you will have to connect those solar energy to the grid, but if you build a small nuclear plant, then you can only support a small colony.

NASA actually investigated all that and have a proposal for all the question. Hence they are good to go. Even if China can send men to moon tomorrow, unless NASA do them a favour and share their data with them, there are no way China can get to a point where all these question is answered immediately after they went to the moon, and that's just facts.

People here underestimate what NASA done for their living, just because they are fading thru the lime light without moon landing and space shuttle launch, that does not mean they are actually doing nothing. But well, maybe we should simply let them think like that lol

 

[qwerrty]

Depending on which Space Race the Chinese here are talking about.

Race to the Space - Russia Won in 1957
Race to the Manned Space flight - Russia Won in 1961
Race to the Moon - US Won in 1969
Race to Explore Planet Mercury - US Won in 1973 with Mariner 10 Probe
Race to Explore Planet Venus - Russia Won in 1961 with Venera 1 Probe
Race to Explore Planet Mars - US Won in 1964 with Mariner 4 Probe
Race to Launch Rover on Mars - US won in 2012 with Curiosity Rover
Race to Survey Mars - US won in 2001 with Mars Global Surveryor
Race to Explore Planet Jupiter - US won in 1973 with Pioneer 10
Race to Explore Planet Saturn - US, ESA and Italian Won in 1997 with Cassini Hyugen Space Probe
Race to Explore Planet Uranus - US won In 1986 with Voyager 2 flyby
Race to Explore Planet Neptune - US won in 1989 with Voyager 2 flyby
Race to Explore Dwarf Planet Pluto - US won in 2015 with New Horizon Probe flyby
Race to Discredit 9 Planets Theory - US won in 2006 (For those who don't know, the solar system have 8 planet officially)
Race to Break Escape Velocity from this Solar System - US won in 1983 with Pinoneer 10 Probe break free of Neptune
Race to Break out of Current Solar System - US won in 1983, see above
Race to the Heliosphere - US won in 2012 with Voyager 2 cross the Heliosphere
Race to Broadcast Earth material in extra-solar system. US won with Voyager 2 Cross out of Heliosphere blasting a golden record contain Image and Sound of Earth (Shame the first thing these ET heard is Chuck Berry)
Race to Built Re-entry Space Craft - Russian Won in 1957 with Soyzu Spacecraft.
Race to the Build Space Station - US, Russia Won in 1998

There aren't much other race China can win, for example, Voyager 2 is always going to be the further Probe send from earth regardless of the speed of other probe However, the Race of "Furthest" exploration is up for grab as technology evolve would make the life of probe survive longer, currently the newest deepspace probe launch by human is the New Horizon Probe launch by NASA which will expected to reach E-O-M status in 2026. By then the last objective known to Human was to observe KEO 2014 MU69 which lies outside our current Solar system.

The other race left to win by China would be Colonization of Each Planet, Rover Sent to Each Planet and Moon (except Mars, and Earth moon) and Material discovery. That's probably it.

Meanwhile Enjoy some of the world best image of outer space, courtesy NASA

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Planet Neptune

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Pluto in HD

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Charon (Moon of Pluto) by New Horizon

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Juipter by Voyager 1

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KBO 2014 MU69 position as per Hubble telescope. This will turn into HD image in 2019 when New Horizon expected to fly over them and transmit their picture back to earth, this will mark the FURTHEST POINT OF EXPLORATION of human kind as of today

the article is from american propaganda media. the usual china is bad, anything they do is military related blabla...
if china is in a race, they wouldn't be spending merely 2 bn dollars a year, which is far lesser than what local governments spending on making useless fancy looking museums, shopping malls, and many other empty useless stuff ..lolz.. stop hyping sh1t about china and refuting your own sh1t lol.. it's freakin gay

 

[jhungary]

the article is from american propaganda media. the usual china is bad, anything they do is military related blabla...
if china is in a race, they wouldn't be spending merely 2 bn dollars a year, which is far lesser than what local governments spending on making useless fancy looking museums, shopping malls, and many other empty useless stuff ..lolz.. stop hyping sh1t about china and refuting your own sh1t i. lol.. it's freakin gay

Whether or not if China in a mood for competition does not change the fact that there aren't much competition left for China to win, even if they devote 100 billions on their space agency.

There are actually not much anybody (Even NASA) can do with this current solar system, with the sun and 8 planet. At most you can try and colonize all 7 (Earth already been colonized) planet and try to sip thru the crack and see if there are new mineral to be discover.)

The future of Space Race, if they decided to have another space race would be for interstellar space travel. And since US have started this 40 years ago, and already with voyager 1 space probe EXITED (not exiting) the current solar system, China cannot catch up with Voyager unless the former was captured by alien or crashed. Therefore, bar from developing some sci-fi type space travel technique like Space Warping and Space jumping, China can NEVER caught up with the US in this achievement. This is not underestimate the Chinese, but this is physically impossible, as the latest US probe in 2006, the New Horizon, with 10 times the speed of Voyager 1, have ceded that It can never chase down voyager 1 bar from unexpected circumstance said above.

There are no race, there are no objective, there are nothing for the Chinese in space whatever Chinese is currently doing, US or Russia have done that a thousand time, and probably that's why they have these merger budget. I mean, why spend money on being number 2??

 

[xunzi]

China is hemorrhaging $100 billion of reserves a month, and has a debt problem (which is funny coming from an American)

not trying to be a hater, but these Chinese egos are more inflated with hot air than their economy.


if you can point out any SPACE RESEARCH that China is doing now and into the future that another space faring country hasn't done I would like to know.

competition is good though

My friend, you have to understand that we have a step-by-step process to finalize our goal of colonizing the moon and the test the possibility of a permanent base. For example, we have conducted the Lunar experiment, Lunar Palace 1, to see how we can achieve our goal. Luckily it was a success and we do anticipated to go test out that possibility on the moon.

Chinese scientists prepare for lunar base life support system
Source:Xinhua Published: 2014-6-26 20:26:44
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China is a step closer to setting up a lunar base after a 105-day manned airtight test, in which the bio-regenerative life support systems of Lunar Palace 1 sustained the lives of three trial volunteers.

The three "moon dwellers" drank recycled purified water, ate worms and food they grew themselves, conducted experiments, and chatted with their family on the Internet in the enclosed capsule from February 3 to May 20.

The full title of the project is Integrative Experimental Facility "Lunar Palace 1" for Permanent Astrobase Life-support Artificial Closed Ecosystem Research, in short, Lunar Palace 1, a royal residence for the moon.

Lunar Palace 1 comprised a 58-square-meter vegetation cabin and a 42-square-meter living cabin with three bedrooms, a dining room, a bathroom, and a waste disposal room.

Scientists selected food that could provide enough nutrition for the three post-1980s volunteers: five cereals, including wheat, soybeans and peanuts; 15 vegetables, including carrots, cucumbers, and water spinach; and the only fruit, strawberries.

Wheat is not only the main energy source, but also the oxygen provider in the capsule which enabled the oxygen to be regenerated three times during the 105 days.

Fifty-five percent of the food for the three volunteers was generated inside the bio-system, while the rest, mostly meat, was externally produced.

But the capsule inhabitants also raised and ate yellow mealworms, their main source of protein.

The debut of these worms at the IAA Humans in Space Symposium in 2011 shocked peers from the US, but some said they tasted like French fries after they trying them.

Lunar Palace 1 is different from Biosphere 2, an Earth systems science research facility in the US, says chief designer and lead scientist Liu Hong, a professor with the Beihang University.

"Biosphere 2 is a duplication of the living environment on Earth, which is a failure we did not want to repeat," says Liu.

"The system we made was directed towards the needs of humans. We carefully chose what plants, animals, and micro-organisms would be best included in the ecosystem."

Although the US, Russia, and some European countries have been working on specific related technologies, they've conducted no large-scale system experiments in recent years.

"Many foreign experts think building a space base cannot be achieved in the near future, so they do not put many resources into research in this field," says Liu.

But the length of time needed to understand the complexity of an eco-system is why scientists should start experimenting now.

Lunar Palace 1 does not perfectly mirror the environment on the moon.

The low gravity and high radiation are not factored into the capsule; and scientists do not know how these would affect the ecosystem.

Liu says it is necessary to build two mini Lunar Palace 1 systems - a monitoring station on the moon and one on earth - so the two sets of data can be compared

The experiment results were better than expected, but there is still room for improvement.

"The system is only mature when it can be run for a long time, " she says. "Then we can be confident of using it in outer space."

 

[C130]

My friend, you have to understand that we have a step-by-step process to finalize our goal of colonizing the moon and the test the possibility of a permanent base. For example, we have conducted the Lunar experiment, Lunar Palace 1, to see how we can achieve our goal. Luckily it was a success and we do anticipated to go test out that possibility on the moon.

Chinese scientists prepare for lunar base life support system
Source:Xinhua Published: 2014-6-26 20:26:44
2


China is a step closer to setting up a lunar base after a 105-day manned airtight test, in which the bio-regenerative life support systems of Lunar Palace 1 sustained the lives of three trial volunteers.

The three "moon dwellers" drank recycled purified water, ate worms and food they grew themselves, conducted experiments, and chatted with their family on the Internet in the enclosed capsule from February 3 to May 20.

The full title of the project is Integrative Experimental Facility "Lunar Palace 1" for Permanent Astrobase Life-support Artificial Closed Ecosystem Research, in short, Lunar Palace 1, a royal residence for the moon.

Lunar Palace 1 comprised a 58-square-meter vegetation cabin and a 42-square-meter living cabin with three bedrooms, a dining room, a bathroom, and a waste disposal room.

Scientists selected food that could provide enough nutrition for the three post-1980s volunteers: five cereals, including wheat, soybeans and peanuts; 15 vegetables, including carrots, cucumbers, and water spinach; and the only fruit, strawberries.

Wheat is not only the main energy source, but also the oxygen provider in the capsule which enabled the oxygen to be regenerated three times during the 105 days.

Fifty-five percent of the food for the three volunteers was generated inside the bio-system, while the rest, mostly meat, was externally produced.

But the capsule inhabitants also raised and ate yellow mealworms, their main source of protein.

The debut of these worms at the IAA Humans in Space Symposium in 2011 shocked peers from the US, but some said they tasted like French fries after they trying them.

Lunar Palace 1 is different from Biosphere 2, an Earth systems science research facility in the US, says chief designer and lead scientist Liu Hong, a professor with the Beihang University.

"Biosphere 2 is a duplication of the living environment on Earth, which is a failure we did not want to repeat," says Liu.

"The system we made was directed towards the needs of humans. We carefully chose what plants, animals, and micro-organisms would be best included in the ecosystem."

Although the US, Russia, and some European countries have been working on specific related technologies, they've conducted no large-scale system experiments in recent years.

"Many foreign experts think building a space base cannot be achieved in the near future, so they do not put many resources into research in this field," says Liu.

But the length of time needed to understand the complexity of an eco-system is why scientists should start experimenting now.

Lunar Palace 1 does not perfectly mirror the environment on the moon.

The low gravity and high radiation are not factored into the capsule; and scientists do not know how these would affect the ecosystem.

Liu says it is necessary to build two mini Lunar Palace 1 systems - a monitoring station on the moon and one on earth - so the two sets of data can be compared

The experiment results were better than expected, but there is still room for improvement.

"The system is only mature when it can be run for a long time, " she says. "Then we can be confident of using it in outer space."

good luck to your endeavors

 

[xunzi]

Whether or not if China in a mood for competition does not change the fact that there aren't much competition left for China to win, even if they devote 100 billions on their space agency.

There are actually not much anybody (Even NASA) can do with this current solar system, with the sun and 8 planet. At most you can try and colonize all 7 (Earth already been colonized) planet and try to sip thru the crack and see if there are new mineral to be discover.)

The future of Space Race, if they decided to have another space race would be for interstellar space travel. And since US have started this 40 years ago, and already with voyager 1 space probe EXITED (not exiting) the current solar system, China cannot catch up with Voyager unless the former was captured by alien or crashed. Therefore, bar from developing some sci-fi type space travel technique like Space Warping and Space jumping, China can NEVER caught up with the US in this achievement. This is not underestimate the Chinese, but this is physically impossible, as the latest US probe in 2006, the New Horizon, with 10 times the speed of Voyager 1, have ceded that It can never chase down voyager 1 bar from unexpected circumstance said above.

There are no race, there are no objective, there are nothing for the Chinese in space whatever Chinese is currently doing, US or Russia have done that a thousand time, and probably that's why they have these merger budget. I mean, why spend money on being number 2??

Who told you we are in a space race, my friend? You, your bigmouth media, or your government official?

good luck to your endeavors

I believe in 2030s, we will seriously put a permanent base on the moon for scientific research. We hope our American friends to be our neighbor so we are not alone in that dark place of the moon.

 

[jhungary]

Who told you we are in a space race, my friend? You, your bigmouth media, or your government official?

Did you actually bother to read my post before you open your own "bigmouth"?

I have already said there are no race, no objective, no nothing in space. China started too late, apart form some Sci-Fi style development, there are no way China can catch America in space race in outer space.

Why spend money on being number 2? This is what I said.

I believe in 2030s, we will seriously put a permanent base on the moon for scientific research. We hope our American friends to be our neighbor so we are not alone in that dark place of the moon.

That is the question you will have to ask Richard Branson, Elon Musk or the Amazon guy. NASA has already say they have no interest for moon colonization, and they plan to stick to the Outer Space Treaty

If NASA wanted to colonize the moon, it would have happened decade ago already...Or you honestly think they will wait for the Chinese??

 

[xunzi]

Did you actually bother to read my post before you open your own "bigmouth"?

I have already said there are no race, no objective, no nothing in space. China started too late, apart form some Sci-Fi style development, there are no way China can catch America in space race in outer space.

Why spend money on being number 2? This is what I said.

I see that you start to yapping your bigmouth nonstop about some race when nobody, especially from our officials, talk about any space race.

What do you mean there are no objectives? Because you are first to put foot on the Moon, does that mean nobody is allow to do so? As far as we are concern, we are not in a race with anybody. Our approach to space have ALWAYS been to study planetary system and to see how we can utilizing them to benefit ourselves. With that mind, we are not very concern who first. Are we clear on this my friend?

 

[jhungary]

I see that you start to yapping your bigmouth nonstop about some race when nobody, especially from our officials, talk about any space race.

What do you mean there are no objectives? Because you are first to put foot on the Moon, does that mean nobody is allow to do so? As far as we are concern, we are not in a race with anybody. Our approach to space have ALWAYS been to study planetary system and to see how we can utilizing them to benefit ourselves. With that mind, we are not very concern who first. Are we clear on this my friend?

I list all that to point out EXACTLY THERE ARE NO RACE, it's all been done and dusted. If there is a race, then I don't know what that race is possibly for. Dude, it's time to check your head, as you and your thick skull cannot digest what I said.

No objective means you can do it with your own leisure. Of course you can do it and play around with it, it's like playing GTA V, (For if you don't know what is GTA V, it's Grand Theft Auto V a game on PS4, Xbox One, PS3, Xbox360 and PC platform) When you finished your main storyline, aka finished all your in game objective, does that means the games ends when you finish? or you are not allow to play OR REPLAY after the storyline is finished??

They called Space exploration "SANDBOX" for some reason Dude, use your brain once in a while, it's good for you

And by the way, the title of this thread is not the same as the title of the article (Written by CNBC)

The title of this thread by OP suggested that the Chinese is catch up on Space race.

The title of the Article by CNBC (the OP quote) does not suggest a space race at all, but rather an act for China to militarize space technology quickly, speculating the reason why China launch 20 space mission in 2016. it have NOTHING TO DO WITH A SPACE RACE the OP mentioned.

The article by CNBC have this title :

Is China's race to space a military ploy?


If you have to bring the "Race" for non-existence, blame the OP misinterpret the article. LOL, one thread caught out several blind people, wonder how they can surf the web ....

 

[xunzi]

I list all that to point out EXACTLY THERE ARE NO RACE, it's all been done and dusted. If there is a race, then I don't know what that race is possibly for. Dude, it's time to check your head, as you and your thick skull cannot digest what I said.

No objective means you can do it with your own leisure. Of course you can do it and play around with it, it's like playing GTA V, (For if you don't know what is GTA V, it's Grand Theft Auto V a game on PS4, Xbox One, PS3, Xbox360 and PC platform) When you finished your main storyline, aka finished all your in game objective, does that means the games ends when you finish? or you are not allow to play OR REPLAY after the storyline is finished??

They called Space exploration "SANDBOX" for some reason Dude, use your brain once in a while, it's good for you

And by the way, the title of this thread is not the same as the title of the article (Written by CNBC)

The title of this thread by OP suggested that the Chinese is catch up on Space race.

The title of the Article by CNBC does not suggest a space race at all, but rather an act to militarize space technology, it have NOTHING TO DO WITH A SPACE RACE the OP mentioned.

If you have to bring the "Race" for non-existence, blame the OP misinterpret the article.

STOP making me repeating myself. We NEVER consider to race with ANYBODY in space. It was your media hallucination and imagination that make up things to downgrade our own personal achievement. However, speaking from a technical standpoint, there is a race to see who can successfully colonizing outer space permanently. From that angle, it is still very much an undecided conclusion. I give your country a head start on the race as you have a plan for a Mars permanent base in 2030s. Other than that, there is not much else to race other than to do human exploration. All it had been done before was robotic and probe.

That is the question you will have to ask Richard Branson, Elon Musk or the Amazon guy. NASA has already say they have no interest for moon colonization, and they plan to stick to the Outer Space Treaty

If NASA wanted to colonize the moon, it would have happened decade ago already...Or you honestly think they will wait for the Chinese??

All of them are big dreamer and I doubt any result will be achieve other than offer launching services. And no, there is a technical problem with colonizing the moon with 1970s technology. It is simply not possible.

 

[jhungary]

STOP making me repeating myself. We NEVER consider to race with ANYBODY in space. It was your media hallucination and imagination that make up things to downgrade our own personal achievement. However, speaking from a technical standpoint, there is a race to see who can successfully colonizing outer space permanently. From that angle, it is still very much an undecided conclusion. I give your country a head start on the race as you have a plan for a Mars permanent base in 2030s. Other than that, there is not much else to race other than to do human exploration. All it had been done before was robotic and probe.


All of them are big dreamer and I doubt any result will be achieve other than offer launching services. And no, there is a technical problem with colonizing the moon with 1970s technology. It is simply not possible.

oh my god.....

can you actually read English? The article in this OP article DOES NOT TALK ABOUT A SPACE RACE.

Read the article again in the opening. The TITLE of the Article

China's space missions in 2016 tied to military ambitions

The Heading of the article is

Is China's race to space a military ploy?

Where exactly did this article talk about a Chinese Space Race with the US? The article talked about the 20 launch in 2016 may have been Chinese plot to militarize space. It have nothing to do with any sort or form of space race. The only thing this article and OP title have the relation of space race is that the OP @beijingwalker misinterpret the article and thought it was a space race with the US.

Please do tell which "Big mouth" western Media going on and on about Chinese Space race?

Jesus, you are blind beyond control...

And LOL at you colonize the moon. As I said in #32, colonizing the moon is not simply send man into the moon to build something, read #32 again, and see how many box Chinese can tick off? NONE. You guys aren't even have man on the moon yet, how do you know which area to settle and what effect solar wind would carry out to the habitat?

And a final LOL, US 70s tech cannot colonize the moon? You do realise china did not even process the "US 70s Tech" now, you understand this right? You do not have a lunar module, you do not have a space shuttle which can transport large amount of cargo to and from moon. You do not have to technology to precice land on any spot you want on the moon, you aren't even landed anything on the moon that can be retrieved. lol In terms of technology, Chinese space tech would be roughly equivent to US in the late 50s and early 60s...

lol, you can think US "70s Technology" cannot land on the moon, but VOYAGER 1, build by the US in 1977, that's 70s technology, already BROKE THRU this solar system and now heading to another solar system. Did China have this "70s Technology" yet to break the escape velocity?

In terms of achievement, breaking the escape velocity of the sun and left this solar system are a lot bigger than people landing on the moon. Compare the 2, which both used 70s tech, which none of them Chinese have yet to achieve, and for them using 2016 tech too, that's kind of sad don't you think?

This just mean you have no knowledge in space tech at all........You do not even have those tech, let alone talk about a race.......

 

[gambit]

oh my god.....

can you actually read English? The article in this OP article DOES NOT TALK ABOUT A SPACE RACE.

Read the article again in the opening. The TITLE of the Article

China's space missions in 2016 tied to military ambitions

The Heading of the article is

Is China's race to space a military ploy?

Where exactly did this article talk about a Chinese Space Race with the US? The article talked about the 20 launch in 2016 may have been Chinese plot to militarize space. It have nothing to do with any sort or form of space race.

He took the thread's title to be the article's title.

Why do these guys have such a persistent problem with reading ?

 

[Oldman1]

So is US, long lost its ability to do what they used to be able to do. A declining power

What ability? Landing on the moon? Sending satellites up in space? Sending rovers to Mars? Sending satellites to Pluto? Sending a probe outside the solar system?

 

[jhungary]

He took the thread's title to be the article's title.

Why do these guys have such a persistent problem with reading ?

He literally saw "Space" Race" and "China" and jump to the conclusion lol.

But if you expected these kind of foolish or somewhat idiotic meaning as an argument, what do you expect that person's comprehension skill to be to begin with?