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China rushing to beat US in the race to space

China is very risk averse in everything including in space. Only willing to do things that's been done 40 years ago.

Only a handful of manned space missions.

China need to have a Mars program, even India is ahead of China in this area.
 
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I wonder if US is still capable of launching manned mission to the moon within a 5 year time frame if they desired. Their space capability hasn't fundamentally advanced for a few decades now.
As if your China made any contribution to space travel technology ?

Here is what you guys do not understand...

There can be many ways of achieving the same thing. To get from point A to point B, you can:

- Walk
- Run
- Bicycle
- Motorcycle
- Automobile
- Train
- Ship
- Aircraft

But to get from Earth to orbit, what has changed ? Nothing.

Internet idiots jeered US for relying on the Russians to get to the ISS, implying that US rocket technology is somehow inferior, but not once have these idiots explain the hows of those Russian rockets are supposedly 'superior'.

Show US what fundamental advancements have your China made in the MODE of traveling to space.

What is a 'mode' ?

a way or manner in which something occurs or is experienced, expressed, or done.

Walking is definitely fundamentally different from running, even though both modes uses the same technology -- the human legs. Running requires more energy, greater mechanical exertion, and greater range of motion on the legs.

The motorcycle is fundamentally different than the bicycle because of greater mechanical complexities, from propulsion to stress endurance to controls to speed achieved.

There are no fundamental differences between the bus and the car. The bus is only larger in body to carry more people. On the other hand, the 18 wheeler truck is fundamentally different from both the bus and the car because the truck was engineered for cargo, specifically to pull, not carry, cargo.

Can the US make it to the Moon ? You bet. We did it in 10 yrs with the slide rule. If the issue is urgent enough, we can do it in 5 yrs with the computer.

So before you criticize US about our fundamental technology to get to space, show US what have your China done.
 
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The OP original title "China rushing to beat US in the race to space " was NOT his wording. It is the tweet words of CNBC which direct people to the article. This is not the first time an article changed its title or used sensational title to lure reader. The point still stand. The OP did not use a false title but was simply copy/paste CNBA tweet title of the article.

It does matter........

If CNBC put "Angelina Jolie, Nude, Nude, Nude" on their tweeter header, and would you still think this article is any relation to nude or Angelina Jolie??

You read the article regardless of whatever handle you have seen, handle can change and may not represent the title, it could well be CNBC fault if the tweeter handle is indeed the OP title (Don't have tweeter, can't verify) But the OP is also equally culpritable for copying the tag line word to word without reading the article

In the end, do you read the article handle? Or the article itself??

As for the content of the article, like I said, the western insecurity and hype surrounding our space program with intention to draw it as a space race have been done before and people can draw parallel with this article even if this article is not talking specifically about a space race. We said before, we are not racing with anyone in space. Our program has a step-by-step process with no pressure on the timeline. Our current immediate goal is to test the capability of bringing moon soil back to earth. In 2020s, we will bring human to Moon. In 2030s, a settlement will be test place. Therefore our end goal is to possibly colonizing the moon in the 21st century.

It is not the insecurity and hype, but the facts and matter that your agency CNSA do not know what it need to settle on moon, you can imagine, you can guess, but unlike the US, which actually went to the moon and have extensively studied the Moon for the last 50 years (Yes, you heard me right, 50 years). All you can do is guess.

For you, the moon is an uncharted territories, a lot of thing you are still currently unknown, it's impossible for you to keep a time table for an item that you do not know much about. You need to chart the moon first, by actually conduct experiment on the moon, then you can enter the conquering phase that the US is currently in at the moment.

US have plan to colonize the moon since the first time they move up on it, in 1970s. It take them at least 30 years to understand the hardship on moon and try to conquer it, you are saying you can launch sorties to the moon in 2020 and within 10 years you can conquer all the hardship? Then excuse me, I will not believe it until I actually see it.


And you are pretty stupid though. Just because we achieve the same milestone you achieved in 1960s, it doesn't mean we use the 1960s tech. That is like say a computer back then is the same as today computer. No, not at all, my friend. If you speak strictly in term of achievement, then you go to the moon before. But from a modern standpoint right now, nobody has any rocket power in operation that can land on the moon. For that, you will need to go back to the drawing board on Saturn V rocket. For us, we developed the Rocket Long March 9 to do the job but that is still projected to be in mid 2020s.

It's actually naïve of you to think the US tech is still stuck in the 1960s. And no, your agency currently did not even achieve the mile stone the NASA achieve in the 60s and 70s. Let alone what the NASA can achieve today.

Your knowledge on space tech is extremely limited, and I will try to explain to you below why you are naïve to believe the US is still stuck in 60s tech.

Lastly, my friend, I don't think you understand the difference between exploration and colonization. The US simply cannot have a permanent base in the moon with 1970s tech and knowledge. To make colonizing the moon permanently feasible, there is a lot of obstacles to be resolved. In fact, 4 main reasons: energy, sheltered, food supplies, and money. The US simply cannot send people to the Moon and every week send supplies to them. It will bankrupt your economy.

lol. If you think for one second the US need to keep sending space ship back and forth every week in order to colonize the moon, then I would say you look as much blank as your brain does. Nobody can do that, not even with 2020 technology. You cannot support a colony on the other side of the world without self-sustainment, let alone supporting a colony 300000 mile away from earth.

The US have already know it's impossible to send sortie every week to supply the base in the 70s, have I actually told you they started the plan to colonize the moon back then?

The US is working on solution that will allow self-sustainment on moon, there are 4 phases of settlement.

1.) Automation - Before the moon are inhabitable, all the hard work have to be done by robot, or robotic aide. It is important for the moon to be build to habitable for human with the minimal input of manpower.

2.) Habitation - For that, you will need to have an earth like environment on moon, and by this stage, the environment would have already achieved and regulated by automation. Then and only then, you can send in the human. In this phase, you need to make the moon self sustainable (With infrastructure to support life, such as water, food and resource) and have to shelter the colony from space hazards.

3.) Industrialisation - Factor, lab and so on were then build on the moon to continue the work to make sure everything runs right, and if something break down on moon, unless it is really a big problem, you can fix them on the moon and don't need earth intervention.

4.) Actual colonization - Carry out what you do, the reason you want to colonize the moon in the first place.

From where I am seeing, you lack of basic understanding of what is require and what is US and China up to at this point, The US is well underwent the 3rd phase, the Chinese does not even start on this scale. To understand what NASA already did colonizing the moon, I suggest the following NASA publication, it was published in 1992, that is the only one you can get which is declassified, there are newer one out there, and I suppose what talked in this article have been solved long time ago.

http://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/spacersource84/toc.html
 
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All I can say is China is catching up fast. By 2025, the ISS will be decomissioned leaving the Chinese space station as the only one in orbit around the earth and China might land astronauts on the Moon by then. By accomplishing these achievements, other space technologies can be accomplished more efficiently like deep space traveling, space colonization, and space mining. You have to ask yourself, can the US do this in 2025? The obvious answer would be no since the US relies on Russian rockets to ferry its astronauts to the ISS and has no funding to conduct future space missions. The US did land a rover on mars and an orbiter on an asteroid, so its far ahead of China currently.

China is progressing at a rate faster than the US can progress in space, soon China will catch up unless the US speeds its progress in space.
I certainly welcome Chinese space exploration. One reason being, that it helps to spur America's space program. As to the current schedule of that American program, we are set to return to manned missions beginning two years from now, in the Orion SLS missions that will include a 2021-23 return to manned lunar orbit and a lunar asteroid redirect mission in 2025-26 and a later manned mission to Mars.
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In the end, do you read the article handle? Or the article itself??

From where I am seeing, you lack of basic understanding of what is require...
If these guys do not bother to read for the contents of anything, including sources that they brought on, what hope is there for any of them to actually spend a few hrs to do basic research on any subject ?

When I was growing up, for what you posted, I would have to spend at least one full day at Hawai'i State Library, then half a day compiling and typing into an acceptable report for homework. Now there is the Internet with the search engine doing all legwork and these guys cannot spare a couple hrs reading what returned. :tdown:
 
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As if your China made any contribution to space travel technology ?

Here is what you guys do not understand...

There can be many ways of achieving the same thing. To get from point A to point B, you can:

- Walk
- Run
- Bicycle
- Motorcycle
- Automobile
- Train
- Ship
- Aircraft

But to get from Earth to orbit, what has changed ? Nothing.

Internet idiots jeered US for relying on the Russians to get to the ISS, implying that US rocket technology is somehow inferior, but not once have these idiots explain the hows of those Russian rockets are supposedly 'superior'.

Show US what fundamental advancements have your China made in the MODE of traveling to space.

What is a 'mode' ?

a way or manner in which something occurs or is experienced, expressed, or done.

Walking is definitely fundamentally different from running, even though both modes uses the same technology -- the human legs. Running requires more energy, greater mechanical exertion, and greater range of motion on the legs.

The motorcycle is fundamentally different than the bicycle because of greater mechanical complexities, from propulsion to stress endurance to controls to speed achieved.

There are no fundamental differences between the bus and the car. The bus is only larger in body to carry more people. On the other hand, the 18 wheeler truck is fundamentally different from both the bus and the car because the truck was engineered for cargo, specifically to pull, not carry, cargo.

Can the US make it to the Moon ? You bet. We did it in 10 yrs with the slide rule. If the issue is urgent enough, we can do it in 5 yrs with the computer.

So before you criticize US about our fundamental technology to get to space, show US what have your China done.
The butthurt is strong with this one.
 
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I wonder if US is still capable of launching manned mission to the moon within a 5 year time frame if they desired. Their space capability hasn't fundamentally advanced for a few decades now.

We're concentrating on a manned Mars mission..while some countries can't even launch interplanetary probes yet. We have rovers that have been driving around for over 10 years on Mars while some countries can't even get a week out of theirs on the moon. We had a man on the moon within 10 years of our first launch. Other countries have done nothing in the 12+ years since their first manned mission.
 
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