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China Releases the Original Galwan Chinese Indian Clash Video

Dozens of Hindus got thrown into a lake and drowned, India had to pretend a dozen battalions got wiped out in what was essentially a fistfight, and apparently this is a slap on China.
I'm not familiar with the logical process which leads you to that conclusion. Though none of the people in this thread graduated out of your RSS shakha's class on Vedic logic. We didn't get to experience the intellect of whatever nanga Yogi Swamu Guru-Ji was teaching you. Maybe that's the problem here.

The logic is simple — the appearance of victory is more important than victory itself. I thought that you guys would’ve understood by now almost two years after the Balakot debacle. It doesn’t matter if India actually loses one, two, or a dozen planes. What actually matters is that India also shot down a hundred other enemy planes before they expired, even if it never happened. Not maintaining that India actually won would result in the mockery of India not only without, but also within.
 
It is in India’s interest to not vitiate ongoing talks to de-escalate other friction points. Pragmatic move.


No India is not sharing any videos now. I don’t expect India leadership to share anything until the Chinese clowns pack their bags and move permanently to depth areas in other friction points.
Maybe it’s true, maybe not. We can laugh at it if it is pure Bollywood fantasy once out. Still then hold on to your panties.
I agree it is in India's interest not to share any such graphic material till things cool down. Such things can suddenly inflate national ego's and force government to be rash.

But atleast F16 can be shown now!
 
I agree it is in India's interest not to share any such graphic material till things cool down. Such things can suddenly inflate national ego's and force government to be rash.

But atleast F16 can be shown now!

You show us SU30, we show the F16
 
Let them be, slavery in ingrained deep into their consciousness. Worshipping Central Asian invaders, british, till very recently America and now China. They have this ingrained need to have and worship some overlords, makes them feel better, this thread is an example full of it

Just because this thread exposes bharati lies and fantasies, you blame us for slavery??

Like your ancestors were never slaves??
 
You show us SU30, we show the F16
I am not pakistani to show a su-30.
I think they invented su-30 kill claim just to show india that if you cam start claiming an air kill without showing any evidence we can kill a Su-30 too in that same manner. Or it could have been exactly vice - versa. Both ways it doesn't matter now! Truth doesn't matter now. People simply aren't interested in finding out the truth. Both governments have achieved the objective of indoctrination of populace to a degree that they believe whatever Government tells them.
Same is happening in India China case. People wants a victory, government gives them one! Fake or real doesn't matter, infact Fake victories are cheaper to manufacture.

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Forget about the F16, show us Flight Commander Shazaz-ud-Din. I hope pajeets didn't rough him up as badly as our locals did to the monkey you had flying the MiG.

I can vouch for the Indians. Fight Commander Shazaz-ud-Din existed in this forum ever since February-27-2019 and still posting and active!:cheesy:
 
I am not pakistani to show a su-30.
I think they invented su-30 kill claim just to show india that if you cam start claiming an air kill without showing any evidence we can kill a Su-30 too in that same manner. Or it could have been exactly vice - versa. Both ways it doesn't matter now! Truth doesn't matter now. People simply aren't interested in finding out the truth. Both governments have achieved the objective of indoctrination of populace to a degree that they believe whatever Government tells them.
Same is happening in India China case. People wants a victory, government gives them one! Fake or real doesn't matter, infact Fake victories are cheaper to manufacture.

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Glad to see an Indian member who still believes in reason. I think there is a simple enough litmus for this. There have been at least 30 different versions of Chinese casualties names circulating on the Indian internet by now. Do any of the lists actually contain the names of the four martyred PLA soldiers recently disclosed?

Actually a better question to ask is if the Indian Army retained command of the battlefield and actually captured Chinese bodies as some members here claim, why would they need to dig on the Chinese internet for casualty names?
 
I am not pakistani to show a su-30.
I think they invented su-30 kill claim just to show india that if you cam start claiming an air kill without showing any evidence we can kill a Su-30 too in that same manner. Or it could have been exactly vice - versa. Both ways it doesn't matter now! Truth doesn't matter now. People simply aren't interested in finding out the truth. Both governments have achieved the objective of indoctrination of populace to a degree that they believe whatever Government tells them.
Same is happening in India China case. People wants a victory, government gives them one! Fake or real doesn't matter, infact Fake victories are cheaper to manufacture.

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Glad to see an Indian member who still believes in reason. I think there is a simple enough litmus for this. There have been at least 30 different versions of Chinese casualties names circulating on the Indian internet by now. Do any of the lists actually contain the names of the four martyred PLA soldiers recently disclosed?

Actually a better question to ask is if the Indian Army retained command of the battlefield and actually captured Chinese bodies as some members here claim, why would they need to dig on the Chinese internet for casualty names?


Yes. The name was circulated in the past as well. Check out this.

 

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Dozens of Hindus got thrown into a lake and drowned, India had to pretend a dozen battalions got wiped out in what was essentially a fistfight, and apparently this is a slap on China.
I'm not familiar with the logical process which leads you to that conclusion. Maybe it's because none of the people in this thread graduated out of your RSS shakha's class on Vedic logic. We didn't get to experience the intellect of whatever nanga Yogi Swamu Guru-Ji was teaching you. Maybe that's the problem here.

You want to understand what logic is , try this:

Lesson No. 1

1) Finger 4 to 8 was an area patrolled by IA and PLA, claimed by both.

2) China encroached ( was an aggressors)

3) China is now going back and restoring all structured built by it there.

4) For now, Neither PLA nor IA will patrol the area.


So who actually was forced to go back. Who conceded defeat now?

Lesson No. 2

1) Galwan Clash. Col Babu went to inspect the area with some soldiers to check if PA honored its commitment to go back.

2) The initial understanding was not more than 20 or some small size in a patrol. No use of firearms.

3) PLA brought more soldiers and with primitive tools attacked. 20 plus Indian soldiers died and 45 plus Chinese.

The video you saw in Chinese propoganda was of next day of this figh and from angel of camera to peddle Chinese bullshit


4) China worked on the lies for 9 months and only conceded 4 now. Thats 10% or so of truth. You want to believe them, go ahead.

5) Once the Chinese pull out, you will see India sharing / busting PLA lies . Have patience, wait for the closure.


Final analysis, China goes back. China is a looser.

All that talk of PLA attacking and taking laddakh ? People have short memory but go and check past 9 month posts here . PLA as per Pakistanis were taking avenge for article 370 etc...kya hua PLA revenge ka
 
You want to understand what logic is , try this:

Lesson No. 1

1) Finger 4 to 8 was an area patrolled by IA and PLA, claimed by both.

2) China encroached ( was an aggressors)

3) China is now going back and restoring all structured built by it there.

4) For now, Neither PLA nor IA will patrol the area.


So who actually was forced to go back. Who conceded defeat now?

Lesson No. 2

1) Galwan Clash. Col Babu went to inspect the area with some soldiers to check if PA honored its commitment to go back.

2) The initial understanding was not more than 20 or some small size in a patrol. No use of firearms.

3) PLA brought more soldiers and with primitive tools attacked. 20 plus Indian soldiers died and 45 plus Chinese.

The video you saw in Chinese propoganda was of next day of this figh and from angel of camera to peddle Chinese bullshit


4) China worked on the lies for 9 months and only conceded 4 now. Thats 10% or so of truth. You want to believe them, go ahead.

5) Once the Chinese pull out, you will see India sharing / busting PLA lies . Have patience, wait for the closure.


Final analysis, China goes back. China is a looser.

All that talk of PLA attacking and taking laddakh ? People have short memory but go and check past 9 month posts here . PLA as per Pakistanis were taking avenge for article 370 etc...kya hua PLA revenge ka
Why cant Indians accept that Indian soldiers run away from battles and they surrended?
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Why can Indians accept that Indian soldiers run away from battles and they surrended?
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Let me try:

“The Chinese were so intimidated by the Jawan prowess that they released all the prisoners ASAP out of fear and intimidation”.

Sounds familiar? Yeah I’ve ripped that one off Swift Retort.
 
Indian military performance is as bad as Indian Olympic performance :lol:

Definition of losers.
 
You want to understand what logic is , try this:

Lesson No. 1

1) Finger 4 to 8 was an area patrolled by IA and PLA, claimed by both.

2) China encroached ( was an aggressors)

3) China is now going back and restoring all structured built by it there.

4) For now, Neither PLA nor IA will patrol the area.


So who actually was forced to go back. Who conceded defeat now?

Lesson No. 2

1) Galwan Clash. Col Babu went to inspect the area with some soldiers to check if PA honored its commitment to go back.

2) The initial understanding was not more than 20 or some small size in a patrol. No use of firearms.

3) PLA brought more soldiers and with primitive tools attacked. 20 plus Indian soldiers died and 45 plus Chinese.

The video you saw in Chinese propoganda was of next day of this figh and from angel of camera to peddle Chinese bullshit


4) China worked on the lies for 9 months and only conceded 4 now. Thats 10% or so of truth. You want to believe them, go ahead.

5) Once the Chinese pull out, you will see India sharing / busting PLA lies . Have patience, wait for the closure.


Final analysis, China goes back. China is a looser.

All that talk of PLA attacking and taking laddakh ? People have short memory but go and check past 9 month posts here . PLA as per Pakistanis were taking avenge for article 370 etc...kya hua PLA revenge ka
As i had written at very early stages of Indo-china conflict, China's action was never to capture more territory, atleast on laddak front. If they wanted to increase their boundary, they would not have halted at Finger 4 while indian establishment was shellshocked by their action for first few days ( atleast first 1 week or occupation).
For more than one week after news was broken nation wide that china has been sitting pretty on finger 4 by ajai shukla in his blog, he wrote that this action was more than one month old, India did not move any more troops or equipment to the said area.
Had china not stopped at their claim line, they would have faced Indian Border police and very little army deployment on dhan singh thapa post and likewise towards north western areas on Pangong Tso. Dhan singh thapa post was at that time not atall prepared to face an incoming army assault , let alone from well equipped PLA. Now, i am not saying they would have steam rolled all the way with India doing nothing, they sure would have got very bloody battle ground from Indian army. But atleast with element of surprise they had at that time( for first few days), they surely would have over run first 1-3 border posts.
So, why did china just dug in? Because war is what china wants to avoid! Overrunning indian posts would have left india with no choice.
China knows its growing day and night in muscles, world knows that too! And not everyone in the world but atleast Western allied nations want China to be reigned in before it becomes a monster. USA, Uk and to an extent France have tried to be on a common platform and keep the pressure on china through SCS for almost 10 years. It has yielded some results but not nearly enough.
At the same time, India has ambition of becoming a major power too, they can't afford to have a strong china, else china will simply use its growing influence and siphon off money or industry which could have come to india.
With this common goal, India has been shifting to USA anti-china camp more openly in recent times, making comments on Taiwan, one china, SCS, permanent membership of security council, questioning UN etall. How far has India fallen in lap came to for front when India openly demanded Aksai chin and rest of kashmir. Now, Ofcourse no one is going to give it back on a platter, everyone knows that. India is going have to fight big wars to go on that trajectory.
So, it was a signal that we are willing and ready to go to war! And it was at the time when US was every other day threatening China on military action on one pretext or another, be it south china sea or taiwan or trade deficit or North Korea. Lets not forget, any Korean war will be china+north Korea.

China was absorbing the pressure when US navy+ was making threats through SCS. China knows they are not going to make a dent through ScS because as the bodies of US marines pile up, pressure will be right back on US and not on china.
As soon as India started showing willingness to go to war ( on any pretext), china needed action and preparation. China doesn't want to fight a warin SCS, it is quite clear, having to fight on two sides becomes a bit too much for anybody.
With this Laddak adventure, it not only showed that they understand what's going on, they also showed that are going to fight a defensive war if it is shoved in their face. Dug in, prepared defenses and make the others to come get them. Its very difficult for aggressor to make gains against a defensive army, everyone knows that.
World waits to see who will actually take military action against china first. My guess is No One.
 
Let me try:

“The Chinese were so intimidated by the Jawan prowess that they released all the prisoners ASAP out of fear and intimidation”.

Sounds familiar? Yeah I’ve ripped that one off Swift Retort.

You are mixing up the days event. The release persy
As i had written at very early stages of Indo-china conflict, China's action was never to capture more territory, atleast on laddak front. If they wanted to increase their boundary, they would not have halted at Finger 4 while indian establishment was shellshocked by their action for first few days ( atleast first 1 week or occupation).
For more than one week after news was broken nation wide that china has been sitting pretty on finger 4 by ajai shukla in his blog, he wrote that this action was more than one month old, India did not move any more troops or equipment to the said area.
Had china not stopped at their claim line, they would have faced Indian Border police and very little army deployment on dhan singh thapa post and likewise towards north western areas on Pangong Tso. Dhan singh thapa post was at that time not atall prepared to face an incoming army assault , let alone from well equipped PLA. Now, i am not saying they would have steam rolled all the way with India doing nothing, they sure would have got very bloody battle ground from Indian army. But atleast with element of surprise they had at that time( for first few days), they surely would have over run first 1-3 border posts.
So, why did china just dug in? Because war is what china wants to avoid! Overrunning indian posts would have left india with no choice.
China knows its growing day and night in muscles, world knows that too! And not everyone in the world but atleast Western allied nations want China to be reigned in before it becomes a monster. USA, Uk and to an extent France have tried to be on a common platform and keep the pressure on china through SCS for almost 10 years. It has yielded some results but not nearly enough.
At the same time, India has ambition of becoming a major power too, they can't afford to have a strong china, else china will simply use its growing influence and siphon off money or industry which could have come to india.
With this common goal, India has been shifting to USA anti-china camp more openly in recent times, making comments on Taiwan, one china, SCS, permanent membership of security council, questioning UN etall. How far has India fallen in lap came to for front when India openly demanded Aksai chin and rest of kashmir. Now, Ofcourse no one is going to give it back on a platter, everyone knows that. India is going have to fight big wars to go on that trajectory.
So, it was a signal that we are willing and ready to go to war! And it was at the time when US was every other day threatening China on military action on one pretext or another, be it south china sea or taiwan or trade deficit or North Korea. Lets not forget, any Korean war will be china+north Korea.

China was absorbing the pressure when US navy+ was making threats through SCS. China knows they are not going to make a dent through ScS because as the bodies of US marines pile up, pressure will be right back on US and not on china.
As soon as India started showing willingness to go to war ( on any pretext), china needed action and preparation. China doesn't want to fight a warin SCS, it is quite clear, having to fight on two sides becomes a bit too much for anybody.
With this Laddak adventure, it not only showed that they understand what's going on, they also showed that are going to fight a defensive war if it is shoved in their face. Dug in, prepared defenses and make the others to come get them. Its very difficult for aggressor to make gains against a defensive army, everyone knows that.
World waits to see who will actually take military action against china first. My guess is No One.

Sum up in two lines please.

Why is China going back now? What have they achieved other than letting Indians realize that the real deal is China and not its puddle.

India has now stopped Chinese economy dependency / integration allowed as per MOU of CCCP with Congress I. This was such a sale out.

Future, India will focus on China. Will getbits Diplomacy to ensure Quad becomes Asian Nato. Will extract concessions and business and investment to build up India ( Pak model but with Chankya's template).

Good decades for India ahead.
 

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