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54% in india is a joke. most of them are just burden of the country.

But most of them are children, unlike other countries in the list.

On the topic. China has already peaked. It may never reach to the level that US enjoys today, moreover unlike US, China has too many adversaries.
 
Only when talking to Indians such as yourself who enjoy bashing China. :wave:

Look at the World Bank numbers. China has 38 dependents per 100 working people.

India has 54 dependents per 100 working people.

The UK has 52 dependents per 100 working people. Japan has 58 dependents per 100 working people.

There is a reason why China and India have a similar population, yet China has a much larger workforce. Because China has less dependents and more working age people.

Bash China you say? A little bit of truth never hurt anyone. We all know it is you intellectual weakness and playing a victim talking here, but I will duly oblige:

corruption that rots both the political and economic systems of the rising nation. To whit: in the past five years alone, more than 660,000 government officials have been investigated for corruption of some sort

for a foreign enterprise to do business within the country, one in which “bribery is rampant,” means running the significant and expensive risk of intellectual property theft.

“fixed asset investment - a key indicator on infrastructure spending - was up 20.6% in 2012. A staggering £3.63trn was spent on infrastructure projects through 2012 as “China accelerated administrative approvals for infrastructure investment, notably for building subways, in the middle of last year, in a bid to boost economic growth.”
^^ panic construction to present the illusion of how everything is in order for the leadership change

This infrastructure spending binge has and will continue to come at a heavy price for China: “Financed through heavy borrowing by local governments and clever accounting that masks the true size of the debt,” these infrastructure projects mean “China’s municipal governments could already be sitting on huge mountains of hidden debt — a lurking liability that threatens to stunt the nation’s economic growth for years or even decades to come.” In fact, after China’s national government instituted a $586 billion stimulus program in 2008 to stem the effects of the global financial crisis, China’s cities gorged on infrastructure projects to boost productivity and growth. Now, nearly 5 years later, while the total debt load numbers remain opaque, experts predict them to total between 25-250% of percent of the country's GDP

Most importantly, China is aging at an unprecedented pace in modern history: by 2050, experts predict the average age in China will hit 49, nearly a decade older than in the United States. This means that, because the country is growing older at a quicker pace than it is wealthier, “China will have a bulge of pensioners before it has developed the means of looking after them.” Currently, China’s unfunded pension liability totals roughly 150% of the country’s GDP, with local governments already reneging on pension obligations.

^^ amount of money needed for pensions will only get bigger as time progresses....
 
No, US is the world's number one industrial power, and several news reports confirm US is still the number one manufacturing power in the world. Besides, you have to remember US industry and manufacturing is cutting edge and mostly high-tech. I once read if US's export economy was a separate country it would be economically the size of Germany.


U.S. manufacturing is No. 1, for now - Business - US business - Made in America | NBC News


I can't believe you said China is the world's number one industrial power, far from it, there is a huge gap between American industrial power and the rest of the world. As for number one trading power well everybody knows China exports many cheap products to countries and can flood their markets, and also sell other products as well.

You're joking right A1kaid? Oh wait, you're not.

I read that article you posted back in January 2011.

Then, in March 2011 this data came out:

Financial Times - China noses ahead as top manufacturer

China has become the world’s top manufacturing country by output, returning the country to the position it occupied in the early 19th century and ending the US’s 110-year run as the largest goods producer.

This all happened 2 years ago A1kaid.
 
China is surrounded by highly populated poverty striken countries,in this part of the world,getting enough cheap laborers is never a problem.
 
Also, according to the World Bank, China has one of the lowest Age dependency ratios on the planet:

Age dependency ratio (% of working-age population) - World Bank


China - 38 dependents per 100 working people

India - 54 dependents per 100 working people

USA - 50 dependents per 100 working people

UK - 52 dependents per 100 working people

Japan - 58 dependents per 100 working people

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So 100 working age people in China only need to take care of 38 dependents.

Compared to India where 100 working age people need to take care of 54 dependents.

Age dependency ratio is not a good indicate of working age , it look at below 15 and about 64, the reason why you see India has 54 is because the median age of India , is about 25.9( est 2010 ) compare to china which is about 35.9

So in 30 yrs, India will still be below what China is now and by 2050 dependency ration will fall to very small number..

Hence the predication by 2050-70 India will be a top player , there will be lots of young India running around for every old Chinese

The issue is India is run by old people average politician age is 65+ compare average population of 25.

As of now India population growth is 1.41% while china growth is around 0.47% .. so you get the drift.

Napoleon once said about China "Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world."

Perhaps similar analogy applies to Indian's in coming decade's..
 
But most of them are children, unlike other countries in the list.

On the topic. China has already peaked. It may never reach to the level that US enjoys today, moreover unlike US, China has too many adversaries.
india itself lack a lot of important nature ressourse, and can not follow chinese modell.
and overpopulation is in general means burden.

for china: we are good to collect every resource we need.
if we really lacking labor resource in near future. we will find a way to solve it.
 
You're joking right A1kaid? Oh wait, you're not.

I read that article you posted back in January 2011.

Then, in March 2011 this data came out:

Financial Times - China noses ahead as top manufacturer



This all happened 2 years ago A1kaid.

Why did it surprise you? Most of the exports that China do are low value goods and most of the manufacturing that China does are in fact assembles.

In terms of sheer volume of goods exported, China may have topped the rankings.

india itself lack a lot of important nature ressourse, and can not follow chinese modell.
and overpopulation is in general means burden.

for china: we are good to collect every resource we need.
if we really lacking labor resource in near future. we will find a way to solve it.

We don't want to follow the Chinese model or need to
 
On the topic. China has already peaked. It may never reach to the level that US enjoys today, moreover unlike US, China has too many adversaries.

Funny. China has not had any cross-border bloodshed with any country for over 30 years.

India on the other hand just had a shooting contest with Pakistan a week ago, including beheading. And this is hardly an isolated incident either.

The USA meanwhile had 3 wars in the past decade.

Check this: Global Peace Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China has DIPLOMATIC tensions with other countries. Diplomatic... as in nobody getting shot/killed or beheaded, no hotels getting shot up by cross-border militants, etc.
 
You're joking right A1kaid? Oh wait, you're not.

I read that article you posted back in January 2011.

Then, in March 2011 this data came out:

Financial Times - China noses ahead as top manufacturer



This all happened 2 years ago A1kaid.


Alright it does appear China has a higher manufacturing output than US. Though, there is no question of the difference in quality of manufacturing, and the technological sophistication of products being manufactured.
 
india itself lack a lot of important nature ressourse, and can not follow chinese modell.
and overpopulation is in general means burden.

for china: we are good to collect every resource we need.
if we really lacking labor resource in near future. we will find a way to solve it.

CCP is trying to solve it by going inland. Those city construction plans for the interior of China are attempts of how to distribute growth more proportionately.
 
Alright it does appear China has a higher manufacturing output than US. Though, there is no question of the difference in quality of manufacturing, and the technological sophistication of products being manufactured.

In every discussion we have had, it is always you putting down China on behalf of America.

You don't need to explain it to me A1kaid, I already understand.
 
Financial power comes from having the world reserve currency.
China is now a manufacturing power, industrial power and trading power which gives us massive economic power. But not financial power because our financial markets are underdeveloped, our banks still do not have global influence, the renminbi is not a reserve currency.

Once our financial markets are developed and the renminbi becomes a trading, investment, financing and eventually a reserve currency, then China will have financial power.

Next will be technological power with technologies that are world class in all sectors.

Then we have economic power, financial power, technological power. Combine those 3 and it gives us massive military power as we will have money and technology to build a very powerful military.

Combine economic power, financial power, technological power and military power and China will have MASSIVE political power globally.

This can be achieved by 2030 I believe.

Chinese banking system is not really that bad.

Chinese Banks: Better Than U.S. Banks
We need to admit that banks and governments are
By DAVID WEIDNER
If you want to know the fate of bank stocks, why Bank of America Corp. may bring down the industry and the economy with it, you need to change how you think about how banking works in this country.
We tend to think of Washington and Wall Street as two separate entities. We think of the latter as private enterprise, and the former as the rule maker.
But with the financial crisis, along with the bailouts and "reforms" that followed, banking and government are more than just intertwined. They're essentially the same entity. If one falters, so goes the other.
The U.S. banking industry is more like China's than we want to admit. Except it's worse. At least China's managed financial system works in harmony and the centralized decision-making there is part of a bigger plan.
In the U.S. market, there is no plan. Instead, competing agendas of lawmakers, regulators and bankers have ground the system to a halt. Lawmakers want to please the industry as well their own constituents -- an impossible task since those interests are by nature opposed. Regulators want to flex their muscle, cover their ***** and justify their existence. The bankers just want to make a lot of money.
In the years following the banking reforms of the 1930s, even that imperfect system basically worked. But beginning with the government's promotion of home ownership and the creation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the arms-length relationship between responsible government and the private enterprise of banking has been corrupted.
During the last 30 years, banking has morphed into an arm of government, indeed a controlling one. There have been a lot of missteps, but the big blow came at the end of the Clinton administration, with the abolition of Glass-Steagall -- the law that separated retail banking from investment banking.
That move created two massive problems: It created massive too-big-to-fail entities, and allowed casino-style gambling with money vital to the nation's economic system: retail credit, mortgages, deposits and retirement savings.
What we've created is a system that is entirely dependent on huge, poorly run banks. With the bailouts, we acknowledged that the nation's fortunes and the fortunes of those banks were one in the same.
We then made a bad situation worse with another critical mistake. Instead of realizing that banks, in fact, had become a part of government, we kept pretending that it really so, that the banks were private institutions. They "paid back" the bailout money by bilking their shareholders with stock offerings.
What's becoming clear now is that when nationalization of too-big-to-fail banks was on the table in early 2009, it was an opportunity to acknowledge what the facts were: Big banks were too important to be run by a bunch of doddering managers. Bank of America [BAC] and Citigroup Inc.[C] should have been seized by the government or at least forced to keep their bailout funds until they stabilized.
Today, we know at least in Bank of America's case, that was a big mistake. The government, counterparties and investors are suing the bank into submission over mortgage products sold by the bank and its predecessors -- Countrywide and Merrill Lynch.
The lawsuits, which could cost tens of billions and force Bank of America into more drastic moves, are silly. Just two years ago, the government was rescuing the bank because it was vital to the nation's economic system. Today, it's suing the bank, pretending that any wounds inflicted won't hurt credit and the economy.
Again, the Chinese wouldn't make this sort of mistake. For all of that government's flaws, the one thing it has right is that it understands banking is vital to economic planning. You can bet the Chinese wouldn't sue their own banks for practices the government planners tacitly or directly approved.
So, you can see the problem. The bad news is that Washington is in denial; Wall Street is in denial. The good news is that most investors aren't. They've pounded bank stocks, and they've pounded them for good reason.
Until government officials and bankers acknowledge the depth of the crisis and that it's in their interests to work together, we're going to be stuck in this mess.
Legal liability will hang over the banks. They'll have to hoard cash to meet capital requirements. They'll be reluctant to lend. And don't think this is a problem just for B. of A. Banks continue to be intertwined through derivatives and counterparty agreements. If there's a run on one bank, you can bet the problem will cascade through the system like it did in 2008. One only needs to look at the dominoes in Europe to see how little has changed. Read our coverage of European markets.
The solution would be to end the charade. The government could acknowledge that these megabanks are too important to the system and back their balance sheets with an explicit guarantee. Washington could call off the legal dogs and give the banks amnesty from financial penalties for fraudulent practices made leading up to the financial crisis.
If it sounds like socialism, you're right. But we're already there. We just won't admit it. Investors shouldn't pretend it's some other way either.


Chinese banks dominate The Banker’s Top 1000 ranking


Chinese banks account for the largest slice of global banking profits, according to The Banker magazine’s Top 1000 World Banks ranking out today.

While global banking profits have recovered to almost pre-crisis levels, Chinese banks’ profits have soared by 95% over the past three years and now account for 21% of total global banking profits.

In the main ranking of The Banker’s Top 1000, based on capital strength, Chinese banks hold three of the top-ten positions – up from just one last year. Industrial Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) has moved from 7th place to 6th; China Construction Bank has risen from 15th to 8th and Bank of China has moved from 14th to 9th place. Agricultural Bank of China, the only one of the big four Chinese banks not in the Top 10, has risen from 28th to 14th.

While four years ago British banks were the second most profitable in the world, with profits at 58% below their peak in 2007 they are now behind US, Chinese, French and Japanese banks. The Royal Bank of Scotland is down from 4th to 10th place, Barclays from 10th to 12th and Lloyds from 12th to 18th.

“With the Chinese economy growing so fast Chinese banks would be expected to accelerate, but the poor state of much of the British banking sector three years after the crisis is surprising,” says The Banker’s editor Brian Caplen. “The ranking very clearly shows the shift in the centre of gravity for the world economy from Europe to the major emerging markets.”

Other major emerging economies have also shown gains in this year’s ranking. Brazil’s banks have some of the highest returns on average capital at 32%, while India’s banks have increased profits by 115% since 2007. UK banks have a return on average capital of 9.6% and their non-performing loans now stand at 5% – more than double the levels of Brazil, China and India.

Kristina Eriksson

Chinese banks brimming with foreign exchange

The Economic Times

As China's foreign reserves piled up to over $ 3.20 trillion, the country's banks, too, were brimming with surplus foreign exchange in September, says a report.

Quoting China's foreign exchange regulator SAFE, the report by state agency Xinhua said that total surplus of Chinese banks' foreign exchange from bank-to-client transactions reached $ 26 billion in September.

During this month, institutional and individual clients sold $ 142.6 billion in foreign currencies to banks while purchasing $ 116.6 billion, the State Administration of Foreign Exchange (SAFE) said.

From January to September, more foreign currencies were sold than purchased through Chinese banks, resulting in $ 380.7 billion of foreign exchange surplus during the period, the statement said.

Foreign exchange surplus, which makes up part of China's foreign reserves along with current account surpluses and foreign direct investment inflow, do not include banks' own foreign exchange transactions or inter bank transactions, according to the SAFE.

Last year, foreign exchange surpluses made through Chinese banks' transactions with domestic clients increased 51 per cent year-on-year to reach $ 397.7 billion.
 
Funny is how you gloss over the bits of the posts you have no answer to, and reply with a generic chart on a single bit of the aforementioned post.

:lol:

What question did you ask me, and why should I even reply to an Indian like yourself trying to put down my country? :no:
 

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