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China-Pak nuclear deal: ‘India opened a Pandora’s box’

China-Pak nuclear deal: ?India opened a Pandora?s box? - India - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: The proposed China-Pakistan nuclear deal could spell trouble for India's own membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, severely upsetting the calculations of the government here.

India had hoped that the New Zealand plenary meeting scheduled for later this week might move the process along for India to be eventually recognized as a formal member of the group.

India had told the NSG that following the Indo-US nuclear deal, its laws and regulations had been harmonized with the global body, and that it was ready to be a member of the group. This was emphasized by the government in its last meeting with the NSG troika earlier this year.

Instead, there is a growing anger, albeit impotent, within the 45-member group as they confront a virtual fait accompli by China "informing" them of its decision to build two new nuclear reactors for Pakistan, a proliferation rogue. But such is the growing clout of China internationally that, Indian officials say, there is a lot of grumbling, but little outright opposition. The US so far is the only country to openly oppose the proposed arrangement, but that too happened after the Iran sanctions vote in the UN Security Council, where China's cooperation was crucial. France, sources said, is likely to raise its own objections at the NSG meeting later this week.

China is unlikely to ask for a full waiver for Pakistan from the NSG, along the lines of the India deal. That would require a huge amount of political investment of the kind the US made for India. Instead, China is likely to push these two reactors through under a kind of diplomatic amnesia because there is a paper trail that says only two reactors in Pakistan had been "grandfathered" by China. With China becoming more muscular in international politics, this kind of a "thin-end-of-the-wedge" kind of deal might just go through.


Of course, the Indian government is readying its own diplomatic initiative against the proposed deal -- but quietly, mainly working with "friends" in Europe, many of whom batted for India during its own deal. Openly, India has not yet revealed its hand, and is still squeamish about coming out against the deal, given it is not a member of the NSG and its own deal is virtually hot off the press. Therefore, India will wait for the NSG to take a view this week.

During the recent visit of President Pratibha Patil to China, the Indians used the formal banquet to tell Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi that the deal would be a very bad idea. Yang's response was textbook -- the Pakistan deal was peaceful and under IAEA safeguards. India has desisted from a formal objection to the Pak deal.

A lot of the anger of countries like Austria, Ireland and the Scandinavian countries against the China-Pakistan deal is directed against India. "You opened a Pandora's box," many countries have said accusingly. India received a country-specific waiver from the NSG in 2008 for nuclear commerce, but it was a bitter pill for many countries for whom the existing non-proliferation regime is a national mantra, including, ironically New Zealand, where the China-Pak deal is likely to be discussed.

But there is little appreciation for India's line that its nuclear deal was a reward for an unblemished record in non-proliferation, and that India was a class apart from Pakistan.
 
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americans gave us so the china gave them its all in the game
 
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I see u guys crying again? :D

Ah I will come back when u start defending your wailing. Till then enjoy your stay on our forum.
 
Funny how Pakistanis claim e everything that India discusses and objects to as crying...... lets look at the other side of story...Pakistanis cried so much in world forum after India got Civil Nuclear Deal from US that US had to make sure that Pakistan has a similar deal with some country so that atleast Pakistanis stop crying.
 
Guys, offering Nukes to Pakistan is not the issue..................

The issue is China is giving that to Pakistan............
This is the pain in US stomach.......

And india is trying to play under the umberalla of US.

But i think US cant stop this deal
 
wooooot... :cheesy:

the only pain of india and US is that, they themselves provoked this deal and now trying to cry in front of world that Pakistan is getting hands at Nuk Reactors and :blah::blah::blah:

cry now but remember, its ur own seed, and you yourself showed us :-)pakistan::china:) the way out ... :chilli::chilli:
 
its not about crying its about the geopolitical tactics so called lobbying
 
I see the wailing defence has already started.:argh:

Lol you guys amuse me. Anyway keep it up that's what you folks do best anyway. :pop:
 
Words like "Crying" used in the forum by children are often termed by leaders of the world as diplomacy............ so enjoy politics

no the word "Crying" used in the forums for children who try to post 1000 thread about 1 same topic just because they aren't able to sleep at nights because of that topic.. :taz:
 
no the word "Crying" used in the forums for children who try to post 1000 thread about 1 same topic just because they aren't able to sleep at nights because of that topic.. :taz:

hhmm....you should not be awake at nights....take sleeping pills if you are not getting sleep for that topic.;)

on topic : I think we should wait until the meeting in new Zealand is over...wether pakistan gets the deal or not..we are sure to hear some news out of there.
 
China-Pak nuclear deal: ‘India opened a Pandora’s box’

China-Pak nuclear deal: ?India opened a Pandora?s box? - India - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: The proposed China-Pakistan nuclear deal could spell trouble for India's own membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, severely upsetting the calculations of the government here.

India had hoped that the New Zealand plenary meeting scheduled for later this week might move the process along for India to be eventually recognized as a formal member of the group.

India had told the NSG that following the Indo-US nuclear deal, its laws and regulations had been harmonized with the global body, and that it was ready to be a member of the group. This was emphasized by the government in its last meeting with the NSG troika earlier this year.

Instead, there is a growing anger, albeit impotent, within the 45-member group as they confront a virtual fait accompli by China "informing" them of its decision to build two new nuclear reactors for Pakistan, a proliferation rogue. But such is the growing clout of China internationally that, Indian officials say, there is a lot of grumbling, but little outright opposition. The US so far is the only country to openly oppose the proposed arrangement, but that too happened after the Iran sanctions vote in the UN Security Council, where China's cooperation was crucial. France, sources said, is likely to raise its own objections at the NSG meeting later this week.

China is unlikely to ask for a full waiver for Pakistan from the NSG, along the lines of the India deal. That would require a huge amount of political investment of the kind the US made for India. Instead, China is likely to push these two reactors through under a kind of diplomatic amnesia because there is a paper trail that says only two reactors in Pakistan had been "grandfathered" by China. With China becoming more muscular in international politics, this kind of a "thin-end-of-the-wedge" kind of deal might just go through.


Of course, the Indian government is readying its own diplomatic initiative against the proposed deal -- but quietly, mainly working with "friends" in Europe, many of whom batted for India during its own deal. Openly, India has not yet revealed its hand, and is still squeamish about coming out against the deal, given it is not a member of the NSG and its own deal is virtually hot off the press. Therefore, India will wait for the NSG to take a view this week.

During the recent visit of President Pratibha Patil to China, the Indians used the formal banquet to tell Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi that the deal would be a very bad idea. Yang's response was textbook -- the Pakistan deal was peaceful and under IAEA safeguards. India has desisted from a formal objection to the Pak deal.

A lot of the anger of countries like Austria, Ireland and the Scandinavian countries against the China-Pakistan deal is directed against India. "You opened a Pandora's box," many countries have said accusingly. India received a country-specific waiver from the NSG in 2008 for nuclear commerce, but it was a bitter pill for many countries for whom the existing non-proliferation regime is a national mantra, including, ironically New Zealand, where the China-Pak deal is likely to be discussed.

But there is little appreciation for India's line that its nuclear deal was a reward for an unblemished record in non-proliferation, and that India was a class apart from Pakistan.

I must say that after a long long time I came across a good article from any Indian media, full of sanity and without any self praising.
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on topic : I think we should wait until the meeting in new Zealand is over...wether pakistan gets the deal or not..we are sure to hear some news out of there.

No! nothing is their that NSG can do now as they have already violated their own rules to grant exemptions to India.

BTW read this article fully! this says that many countries are accusing India of opening this Pandora box thus India's support has been decreased after Pak-China deal.
 
Funny how Pakistanis claim e everything that India discusses and objects to as crying...... lets look at the other side of story...Pakistanis cried so much in world forum after India got Civil Nuclear Deal from US that US had to make sure that Pakistan has a similar deal with some country so that atleast Pakistanis stop crying.

but It never said that India should not be given such a deal. The point was that if there is any such deal, it should be nondiscriminatory.Pakistan's view was that if there is deal for India to meet its energy needs, Pakistan was facing a similar situation. And FYI Pakistan aslo asked US for non-neuclear energy co-operation which US did not heed to. Thats why you see a change in the behaviour of Pakistani Government now. Pak-Iran Pipeline will give us what? Neuclear fuel? and yet US has his Ars burnt. The logic is simple. "we have a need, If you won't help us, we'll find someone else"
 
No! nothing is their that NSG can do now as they have already violated their own rules to grant exemptions to India.

BTW read this article fully! this says that many countries are accusing India of opening this Pandora box thus India's support has been decreased after Pak-China deal.

agreed that India has opened pamdora's box after the Indo us deal,but that does not mean based on that NSG wil allow the Sino-Pak deal....

yes India's support has decreased ..so ?? what has India to do here ?? India has not even officially objected to the deal yet..its the US objecting it..so lets talk about US support..and I dont think that has decreased.

and how can you say NSG can do nothing now ?? if that was so thn there was no need of such meeting..isnt it ?? there more than just citing the Indo-US deal example....remember India's clean past record in proliferation bagged it the deal...and theya re sure to consider this.

so ...its highly unpredictable what will be the decision...it can go either way..so lets wait till the meeting.
 

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