China opposes Israel's settlements construction in occupied Palestinian territory

[ephone]

Even the most powerful intelligence agency including ours might not know for sure Israel's real nuclear capability, please stop pretending to be the expert.

For its national security reason, I do not think Israel will let CIA know either.

delivery, maybe. the yield of Israeli weapons is the problem. Israel still is using fission devices while the big 5 have already moved on long time ago to fusion devices. That's why Israel's individual warheads are measured in tens of kilotons instead of hundreds of kilotons (USA, France, Britain) or megatons (Russia, China).

I also agree that the arabs who call for Israel's elimination are crazy but they aren't going to do anything about it.

 

[huzihaidao12]

It seems that you are very good at twisting my words.

Who the hell said "recommended Americans to cover up war crimes to "win" "???

I said that they cannot win because human rights issues will prevent them from carrying on brutal retaliation with more bombardment and killings. The pressure from US and various western watchdogs will have a big cry if that happens. War is brutal and if you leave the brutal part out, you cannot win. Even with brutal destruction, it is not always mean victory. However, without that, you will for sure not get it.

Remember how Germany Surrendered??? The whole Berlin was bombed to rubbles and nowadays such brutal destruction will be highly unlikely without news day in and day out and far cry of human right violations.

How did Japanese Surrender? They did not even do that after the Tokyo is so heavily bombed and Iwo Jima was all wiped out. Well, after two nuclear bombs was dropped, they finally surrendered. That happened about 66 years ago, not that long actually. How was real war ended? That is the brutal way.

Hamas really care less and they just do not have the technology and weapons. Israel do have the technology and weapons but they have to refrain from using them. I bet Hamas, Talibans and Bin Laden would like (I do think they have called for that already) to liberate their Muslim Brothers from China's control to set up a pure Muslim country in China. Well, the problem is that we China know how to deal with them and deal with them quickly and effectively. We will butchered any terrorists that harm our Chinese.

Same thing applies for US. US has the best weapon systems and but they cannot use the world war II ways on those Talibans because this is not a world war but its war on terror.

Please do not cry brutal and say we China won't do that. Do you know how general Wang Zhen dealt with those uighur terrorists. If any PLA soldier got killed by a terrorist from a village, he would set up canon to ask the village to give the suspects out. If they did not, PLA soldiers would go in and kill directly whoever may be the suspects. If there was any defense, the canon would fire to wipe out the whole village. During the time of crisis, PLA soldiers were asked to shoot any Uighur groups with more than four or five walking together. Even Uighur terrorists who planned terrorists activities but was captured without being able to do (attempted terrorists) it was shoot dead right away. That is brutal but quite effective. You know what Uighur called him: 王胡子。 They are terrified of him and use his name to calm down crying babies. That is why even Chairman Mao had to ask Xi ZhongXun (dad of the next Chinese president: Xi Jinping) to tell General Wang to tone down.

I think if you have evidence, You better go show it, I do not want to believe some "It is said 。。。。。。。"

 

[huzihaidao12]

As for the other, the Manchus have killed tens of millions of Han Chinese and other ethnic groups in the Qing Dynasty. That was hundreds of years of history, I hope you do not go too concerned about the previous history, since everyone does not concern.

 

[ephone]

Well, so far I do not think Israel will make any concession yet but you indeed have some Israel people who have considered the possibility and evaluate such possibility. Back to 30 to 40 years ago, I would think it would be unimaginable to even consider that. Less than 20 years ago, even Rabin has considered such possibility. And of course, you know what Rabin's military rank is and what missions he has carried on in the past. I used to think he was quite hard-core considering his military credentials. How about Ariel Sharon? Even he got soft a lot after he became the premier minister. So what will happen in the future is still unknown.

In addition, at least in my life time or I will say the next 40 to 50 years, it will be very unlikely that any surrounding muslim countries dare to carry on another massive war with Israel. Regional conflicts may be. But I believe the violence will be even more intensified if peace deal is not reached by the two sides.

Well, many hardcore Jewish people are immigrants from former USSR and eastern Europe blocks. Their next generations and later generations may soft their positions. I guess at least this percentage of hardcore position hold by this generation of Jewish people is less than the last generation. Well, this is my guess from what I read from the articles written by Jewish scholars discussing the mid-east peace and its possible solutions.

I`d say the most extreme Christian Zionists would be the Evangelists, but regardless even if the US could possibly, eventually, whatever Fall from Super Power status, She`d still be a Great power. Israel will hold on to every single Land no matter if we have a big brother to back us or not, Jericho 3 Missiles are the answer to anyone willing to take something from us by force. This isn`t me being cocky, its a reality. Jerusalem will only be divided if the majority of the Knesset agrees to it and the Majority of the Population, Which will not happen. I know a lot of people generally know about Jerusalem and Judaism but what you might not know that in the deepest Prayers of Jews before the UN Partition was "Next year in Jerusalem". Jerusalem is to Judaism like Mecca is to Islam, dividing it is unthinkable and many if not most of us would give our limited amount of lives before we give up Jerusalem ever again.

 

[marshall]

4000 hiroshima bombs is about 4 megatons, the estimates are right. USA's largest bomb is 15 megatons. It's not that Israel doesn't want to make better bombs, it's a technological limit. No nation will ever sell the design of a hydrogen bomb to others and making hydrogen bombs is a very complicated task requiring high precision machine tools, many facilities working together, and supercomputers. Going by current evidence, Israel's weapons seem to be plutonium based boosted fission weapons with yields in the high tens of kilotons.

Hiroshima bomb was around ~16 kilotons if I remember correctly which means 4000 fission bombs would be around ~64 megatons. We should also consider that the destructive power of 4000 individual fission bombs of approximately ~20 kilotons each would be vastly more destructive than simplifying this destructive potential to a single 64 megaton bomb. This is why MIRV warheads are used on ICBMs rather than just 1 single large warhead.

 

[huzihaidao12]

ephone

As an ordinary person, I am sure do not know the former Xinjiang, even though I was Chinese, so I'll give you a chance, no matter what you say, you better come up with more basis.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Please do not cry brutal and say we China won't do that. Do you know how general Wang Zhen dealt with those uighur terrorists. If any PLA soldier got killed by a terrorist from a village, he would set up canon to ask the village to give the suspects out. If they did not, PLA soldiers would go in and kill directly whoever may be the suspects. If there was any defense, the canon would fire to wipe out the whole village. During the time of crisis, PLA soldiers were asked to shoot any Uighur groups with more than four or five walking together. Even Uighur terrorists who planned terrorists activities but was captured without being able to do (attempted terrorists) it was shoot dead right away. That is brutal but quite effective. You know what Uighur called him: 王胡子。 They are terrified of him and use his name to calm down crying babies. That is why even Chairman Mao had to ask Xi ZhongXun (dad of the next Chinese president: Xi Jinping) to tell General Wang to tone down.

BTW, do you know why there are very few Hui Muslim in Shaanxi and fewer Mongolians in North Xinjiang??? In the 18th and earlier 19th century, there are a lot of Hui Muslim in Shaanxi and Uighurs were only in south Xinjiang and North Xinjiang was the power base of the Mongolians. .

The reason is very simple. Due to their rebellions and killing of so many Han Chinese, Qing's emperor QianLong and later Empress CiXi asked their Generals to crashed them and wiped them out. Well, they were indeed wiped out quite effectively. Otherwise, Uighurs would not be able to move to North XinJiang later

Nobody asked US to cover anything. My comments just evaluate the situation and said that they would fail due to their limitations. And that is it.

First, you need to give evidence, and second, China will not invade other countries, whether or not "against terrorism." China is not the United States.

 

[ephone]

I do not need to show you anything. My college roommate is from ShiHeZi, XinJiang. His dad and grandpa is from Constructions Corps military region. His grandpa has conducted numerous military actions (剿&#21290 (not only in XinJiang, but also in QingHai as well) under General Wang Zhen and His dad was later in the military as well. He told me that what really happened was way more bloodier and you won't read that anywhere in the newspaper.

I think if you have evidence, You better go show it, I do not want to believe some "It is said 。。。。。。。"

 

[ephone]

What evidence? a photo?

About your last sentence, who said anything against that? Where is that from?

First, you need to give evidence, and second, China will not invade other countries, whether or not "against terrorism." China is not the United States.

 

[huzihaidao12]

You may not know that Israel has not a clean slate in terrorism.

 

[ephone]

It is true that Manchus indeed killed many Hans. Well later they are almost fully integrated into Han Chinese.

Nowadays, is there any difference between a Han Chinese and Manchu Chinese?

In 1911, Sun ZhongShan chanted "驱逐鞑虏，恢复中华“ to overthrow Qing empire. If we indeed do what he told us to do and drive the Manchu back to the north of Great Wall, Liaoning, Jilin and HeilongJiang would not be in the map of China now. Mogolia will not be as well since they were all the places where the barbarians used to live. Well, we find Manchus and Han Chinese are really not that different now. We take them all in our Chinese family.

Well, it is history but history do help us learn and teach us lessons. You think those villagers in Shaanxi will forget how their ancestors got massacred by those Hui Muslims. If we have such a short memory, we will forget Nanjing Massacre long time ago.

As for the other, the Manchus have killed tens of millions of Han Chinese and other ethnic groups in the Qing Dynasty. That was hundreds of years of history, I hope you do not go too concerned about the previous history, since everyone does not concern.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I do not need to show you anything. My college roommate is from ShiHeZi, XinJiang. His dad and grandpa is from Constructions Corps military region. His grandpa has conducted numerous military actions (剿&#21290 (not only in XinJiang, but also in QingHai as well) under General Wang Zhen and His dad was later in the military as well. He told me that what really happened was way more bloodier and you won't read that anywhere in the newspaper.

Then, I do not think you can be believed. I'm sorry, I have my judge basis. It is not enough for "It is said ."

And even if it is true, your point is still a problem. China crackdown object is "rebels", which is to safeguard national sovereignty, is not directed against any nation, not against any religion, but against any rebellion, even Han. In all countries on this issue has a stringent means, especially for a few decades ago. So this is completely different and invade other countries.

 

[ephone]

Nobody say they did not and they indeed detonated some bombs in the hotels in the British controlled Palestine then.

For example: King David Hotel bombing

By then, there was no Israel state, no Arab state. The fall of Ottoman empire and later British's and French's take-over basically made those regions void of real government. That is how Jewish people, Arab people could all go there and that is how it gives Jewish people finally an opportunity to establish its own state. It won't be possible if Ottoman Empire was still there.

You may not know that Israel has not a clean slate in terrorism.

 

[ephone]

So as you have said, I believe you need to abide by your own rule: show your evidence for every post you have posted and will post in the future.

BTW, I am not interested in convincing you. Whether you believe or not has nothing to do with me.

In addition, "give me a chance", who need your chance?

You had better let your "military expert" forum posters to show the evidence. Their posts really make me laugh. Well, they even know Israel's nuclear capability, Russia or US's ability either in Subs, Missiles as well as airplanes. It seems that they are the designers of those F-22, F-35 and etc.

Then, I do not think you can be believed. I'm sorry, I have my judge basis. It is not enough for "It is said ."

 

[below_freezing]

Even the most powerful intelligence agency including ours might not know for sure Israel's real nuclear capability, please stop pretending to be the expert.

1.) no one knows any other country's nuclear capability. if we go by your logic that because we don't know we can't use estimates, then i can say Israel is the superpower and it's actually USA that's paying tribute to Israel because USA is so scared of Israel.

2.) You think Wang Zhen only suppressed Uighurs? He was just as bad to Hans. He's also a very skilled politician who loves power and abusing power, surviving under Mao, Hua and Deng.

3.) Your rabid hatred of Islam and YY for Israel make you an outlier in China. I am glad you are no longer in China and is unable to implement any sort of policy.