China opposes Israel's settlements construction in occupied Palestinian territory

[CardSharp]

This has been resolved though considering 8 cooperation agreements were signed during Wen Jiabao's visit and also an agreement was made to combat terrorism and separatism.

Yeah, I think the episode has been largely put behind both countries.

 

[Secret Service]

Blind antisemitism and anti-India are not what sane people should do. Simply classify a country, a race or a religion as enemy is clearly insane.

sorry for that.. i am taking back my words...

 

[ephone]

For China internal affairs, I do not think China really give a fuss about what other countries think. Basically, China either ignores that or simply tells you to mind your own business.

As far as for Hui Muslim, in the large cities, the integration is much better while in the countryside, it is not exactly so. Especially in those muslim autonomous regions or muslim dominant regions, e.g. NingXia, GanSu and etc, Hui muslims are not that nice to deal with.

ShaanXi used to have a lot of muslim hui population, while the Dunggan revolt during Qing Dynasty ended up with most muslim there got wiped out.

Islam during the Qing Dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dungan revolt (1862

Basically, no matter which religions you come from, as long as you do not challenge the government, everything can be discussed and mostly remain fine.

If you rise against the government, normally the government is very brutal to suppress such uprising, no matter it is the past dynasties or the current PRC (with the exception for the past 20 years, during which Chinese government has been quite soft most of the time).

This has been resolved though considering 8 cooperation agreements were signed during Wen Jiabao's visit and also an agreement was made to combat terrorism and separatism.

 

[marshall]

... I really don't think the IEEE is an Anglo saxon tool. While using their standards may force people to follow their footsteps in electronics research, it cannot directly control anything the way food, USD, world bank, WTO and IMF does. Same with ITU, currently we're already beating them at their own game in telecom. It's not like their standards have embedded viruses, we have millions of PhDs looking stringently at everything. The rest I agree.

The IEEE and ITU do not need to be created by any particular group to be used by the Anglo-Saxon world order to further and perpetuate their power and control. On the surface, these seem like simple bodies for setting world standards. However, they are HEAVILY ABUSED by the industrial powers to gain enduring economic + industrial advantages that are organized in such a way as to lock in perpetual profits for large industrial conglomerates in the Anglo-Saxon world order aka "Western" countries. I didn't even mention the related international patent system as this is responsible for entrenching long-term economic disadvantages for any country that is not ALREADY a developed country.

Your reference to the ITU is relating to China and it's TD-SCDMA standard I presume? Do you know what was China's experience with that? It was a power struggle to gain acceptance within the ITU because it was seen as China getting its foot in the door of the technology standards game, and related patents structure, that is dominated by the countries profiting from the Anglo-Saxon world order. I'm not arguing against having standards or patents. I am actually a STRONG SUPPORTER of their existence. However, I am 100% against their ABUSE such as when they are used as tools for punitive sanctions against any country that falls out of line. That's easy to do when something is made a world standard, which means every other related technology is killed off because all the countries following this are forced to do so by market forces. You know how many people in the world die of AIDS because this patent system does not have safeguards for poor countries citizens? Instead, it's left to the generosity and courage of countries who are willing to possibly endure sanctions and ignore this system in order to save their own citizens. This specific problem has now been mitigated somewhat but it went on for many years. There are alot of other examples that have not been. That's how disgustingly abused this system is used.

As I said, most of the countries within this world order are unwitting accomplices because the game is rigged to work in favor of perpetuating its power structure with the USA+UK at the top. Why is China the answer to this? Because China has demonstrated that it is all about being independent and it is either starting new, rendering irrelevant, or taking over every one of these organizations and then using them responsibly, or at least more fairly, in relation to developing countries. I emphasize in relation to developing countries because China behaves just the same in regards to developed countries which is just fine since they're already developed and can protect themselves.

 

[marshall]

ShaanXi used to have a lot of muslim hui population, while the Dunggan revolt during Qing Dynasty ended up with most muslim there got wiped out.

Islam during the Qing Dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dungan revolt (1862

Actually, you are making a supposition here. The Hui were not "wiped out" from ShaanXi as you are insinuating. The Hui population was never close to any majority there and the Hui populations migrated westward during and after that time due to the conflict, just like the Han. Your own links even say this. All of China at this time was at war, especially in the North China plains where it is well known that it was depopulated due to the Taiping Rebellion. However, what you said sounds like it was especially bad for the Hui, which is simply not the case.

 

[marshall]

However, when they attack civilian targets, blow public infrastructures and causes great civilian casualties, they are indeed terrorists. There is not a single country now who will publicly say Bin Laden is not terrorist and support him. Even Castro or little Kim would not say that.

Why are you even mentioning Castro's name in the same breath? Fidel Castro is a hero to most of the developing world. American propaganda aside, look at what Cuba has had to deal with, what resources it has, and then look at the living standards of its people as statistically documented at the UN. Cuba has an infant mortality rate of around 6 per thousand. It's literacy rate is almost 100%, life expectancy nearly 78 years. This is better than the United States and some of the developed countries of Europe. Do these sound like the social indicators of a brutal dictatorship to you? Need I remind you that Cuba has endured sanctions for 50 years. For a small island nation with few natural resources to accomplish this triumph is a testament to Castro's greatness and proof that the Cuban government values its people and indeed their Human Rights more than self-righteous "ignorant" propagandists who simply don't like him personally. Anti-Castro supporters are in practice simply against Human Rights.

 

[ephone]

Castro may be better than the little kim. He may be a hero to some people.

Cuba indeed have friendly countries like USSR (Russia), China and all of the Eastern European countries in the past.

However, Cuba's economy has failed long time ago. And he still stick to his old doctrine. Well, he might still enjoy his perks. His Cuban people did not.

Just like Mao, earlier days, he could be considered an hero. Later days, I do not think so. He singlehandedly dragged China into a crazy hole.

BTW, if you like Castro so much, well, join him. I bet Cuba need strong supporters like you. Or you can join little kim as well. Why don't you tell your fellow Canadians that you strongly support Castro and he is your hero???

Why are you even mentioning Castro's name in the same breath? Fidel Castro is a hero to most of the developing world. American propaganda aside, look at what Cuba has had to deal with, what resources it has, and then look at the living standards of its people as statistically documented at the UN. Cuba has an infant mortality rate of around 6 per thousand. It's literacy rate is almost 100%, life expectancy nearly 78 years. This is better than the United States and some of the developed countries of Europe. Do these sound like the social indicators of a brutal dictatorship to you? Need I remind you that Cuba has endured sanctions for 50 years. For a small island nation with few natural resources to accomplish this triumph is a testament to Castro's greatness and proof that the Cuban government values its people and indeed their Human Rights more than self-righteous "ignorant" propagandists who simply don't like him personally. Anti-Castro supporters are in practice simply against Human Rights.

 

[huzihaidao12]

For China internal affairs, I do not think China really give a fuss about what other countries think. Basically, China either ignores that or simply tells you to mind your own business.

As far as for Hui Muslim, in the large cities, the integration is much better while in the countryside, it is not exactly so. Especially in those muslim autonomous regions or muslim dominant regions, e.g. NingXia, GanSu and etc, Hui muslims are not that nice to deal with.

ShaanXi used to have a lot of muslim hui population, while the Dunggan revolt during Qing Dynasty ended up with most muslim there got wiped out.

Islam during the Qing Dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dungan revolt (1862

Basically, no matter which religions you come from, as long as you do not challenge the government, everything can be discussed and mostly remain fine.

If you rise against the government, normally the government is very brutal to suppress such uprising, no matter it is the past dynasties or the current PRC (with the exception for the past 20 years, during which Chinese government has been quite soft most of the time).

There is an obvious misunderstanding, clear it, even if you are Chinese, it would have been misunderstood, HUI Muslim without any problems, but I know what you mean. You think there are some problems in the countryside, you think it is ethnic and religious issues, in fact, it is not, first, the number of times is almost negligible. Second, I tell you, some remote villages in China, there is a problem in general, even in the Han, but it was rendered, for example, if you have any minority participation, which is a national problem. It really is a national problem? In fact, it is not. It is only among some farmers (lack of adequate education) fights for the little things. Stupid and pathetic. You can avoid a fight in your life? Group conflict is inevitable in human society, especially in underdeveloped areas, but it is definitely not ethnic conflict, you need to tell the difference. As long as there are ethnic minorities, do you think it is a national and religious issues, this is your misunderstanding. And what happens when the last large-scale (hundreds) of the man fight?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Throughout my posts, I have never said one word to support FLG. I indeed think they are all nuts though.

Second, about your other examples of anti-China propaganda, none of them are from me either.

Since you mentioned, "eat baby fetuses and female infanticide" are indeed true. You can get them if you pay the 妇产科 Obstetrics and Gynecology doctors or powerful nurses in China hospitals. BTW, we Chinese indeed eat dogs. That is not lie as well. If you do something, just have the guts to acknowledge it. Do not tell me those are all lies. I have many classmates who graduated from medical universities. They, my parent and parent-in-law and etc have all told me similar stories about that (it is very nutritious to eat baby fetuses for women, 胎盘大补, you have not heard of that???).

About female infanticide, I have quite a few relatives in Hebei province and that is really firsthand knowledge. BTW, Doesn't China already have male-female imbalance (far more male than female) due to that? That is all due to natural selection???

If something untrue and bad is said about China, we should be outraged. If it is true, what is your outrage for? or is it embarrassment?

我甚至不知道怎么说你。你真的不能分辨“胎盘”和“婴儿”的不同？胎盘甚至能是一种中药材，这是婴儿？西方将谢谢你为你的糊涂。

I do not even know how to say you. You really can not tell, "胎盘" and "婴儿" different? Even the placenta is a traditional Chinese medicine, this is the baby? West will thank you for your confused.

 

[huzihaidao12]

And if you say the history of China, please make full, WIKI is not a good place to understand China.

http://www.360doc.com/content/11/0214/12/5369656_92906217.shtml

 

[Brotherhood]

我甚至不知道怎么说你。你真的不能分辨“胎盘”和“婴儿”的不同？胎盘甚至能是一种中药材，这是婴儿？西方将谢谢你为你的糊涂。

I do not even know how to say you. You really can not tell, "胎盘" and "婴儿" different? Even the placenta is a traditional Chinese medicine, this is the baby? West will thank you for your confused.

Bro, exactly, he generalized everything inorder to make a point, say eventhough some incicdents like thats does happened, but that dosn't mean the whole Chinese race has to be label for eating....
Anyway, you could easily tell by his posts, he's on a mission to degrade China and Chinese under the disguse of a 愤青, my guess will be he's either from 法轮功 or tibetan.
PS, knowing Chinese doesn't always=Chinese.

 

[huzihaidao12]

There are female infanticide, yes, that there are some poor Chinese people to abandon their children because of not raising their children, it is tragic, however, that not only female infanticide, baby boy also， in the past China is a poor country, that is the reason, you want to blame China for the other? That is why China needs fast economic development reasons. This situation has improved a lot for now, only occur in exceptional circumstances.

 

[below_freezing]

There are female infanticide, yes, that there are some poor Chinese people to abandon their children because of not raising their children, it is tragic, however, that not only female infanticide, baby boy also， in the past China is a poor country, that is the reason, you want to blame China for the other? That is why China needs fast economic development reasons. This situation has improved a lot for now, only occur in exceptional circumstances.

Still not excuse though. My girlfriend is youngest of 4 girls and 1 boy, with the boy being oldest, from rural area. Her parents refused to abandon any children, and paid fines so large they were in poverty until 3 years ago. Yet still worked hard and sent 3 children including her to college, now all 4 are sending money back to the parents. The people who abandon children are usually the low IQ illiterates that never graduated middle school.

 

[oceanx]

Dear ePhone,

I agree with sharpie and no_name that this flag system is not helping as much as it should. It is serving rather to impede rational discussion and inflame passion destructively.

We had in the past entities who adorned PRC's flag on the one side and Pakistan's colour on the other - while having nothing to do with either, and dedicated themselves to making a mess of things. This happened before the current crop of full-timers even showed up on the scene ....

Now some of them adorn the flags of some islands ... and their views have become more nuanced. But that's an aside.

Flags are only useful if some basic rules are adhered to with respect to places of origin/birth and places of (more or less permanent) residence. I personally feel that it is unnecessary for you to wear Pakistan's colour here ... even though it may be said that your heart is "in the right place" ...

In fact I had no doubt of your national origin when I read sentences such as "they keep their race intact even under great suffer, just like we Chinese were" ... and "These two races have a lot in common and we have a lot to learn from each other."

You are authentic because you are essentially "FOB" (I'd like to think I haven't lost the "freshness" myself). I am fairly certain that you spent your entire high school in China, which is exactly where I spent my own formative years. From the way you go on about "races", I dare even say that you spent your college years in China, too. Perhaps even beyond.

Most of us know exactly what you mean ... but even below_freezing would substitute "races" with "Chinese people" or "Jewish people" ...

You are not just authentic, buddy. You are actually old school.

That's why I addressed you as such in my post to you earlier. Really, I didn't mean any offense.

Now let's go back and visit the topic itself dispassionately.

 

[oceanx]

Your fallacy # 1:

China faces a Muslim Uighur insurgency in Xinjiang / "East Turkestan", and Israel faces a Muslim-dominated Palestinian resistance. Therefore China should side with Israel on all things.


The number of people in China who hold this view, especially among the "superficially educated", is indeed not as small as we would think. That evidently includes yourself.

Let me tell you, just as Kamikaze astutely points out, 100% Chinese high school students know Einstein is Jewish, 75% of them know Karl Marx is Jewish, 50% of them know Einstein won his Nobel on his "minor contributions to physics" (just as you say), and 25% of them think Jewish people are the brightest on earth.

Ask them exactly what Einstein's stance was on certain aspects of Zionism, they will all blank - including you.

And more pertinently, how many of them know the difference between an "Arab Israeli" and a "West-bank Palestinian"?

Now let's do this in baby steps (so we both could learn something).

Can you articulate for us the difference between a West-bank Palestinian and an Arab Israeli aside from an increasing likelihood that both will be "Muslims"?

If you wish, we'll take it from here. If not, we'll let it drop. And both go home and do homework.