China on India’s UNSC Bid: Neither "YES Nor NO"

[Nan Yang]

In fact, India vigorously supported China’s entry into the United Nations and the Security Council as well. Citing Indian diplomats who have seen the relevant documents from that era in the 1950s, Shashi Tharoor claims that Nehru “declined” a U.S. offer to take “the permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council then held, with scant credibility, by Taiwan, urging that it be given to Beijing.” Because America’s realist offer went against the grain of Nehru’s idealistic vision driven by utopian aspirations of Asian solidarity, India was denied the golden opportunity to become one of the “fortunate five.” This fateful decision continues to haunt India.

Really ???????

 

[Thorough Pro]

Don't worry, china will vote in your favour, but first learn to behave.

 

[TaiShang]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Hell, no!

 

[Established_1965]

It's not about luck but about power and achievements.

We fought the US and allies in Korean war to a statemate
We defeated india in 1962
We exploded our atomic bomb in 1964

UN inner club membership is not for countries that brags but based on achievements

Again!, Thank ROC for getting Veto right and Nixon for kicking ROC and letting PRC in.

Didn't China almost took over Korea until US landed her ships .

No Western country cared about ur A Bomb or military might back in 1970's.

If you so sure about ur so called "Might", ask Russia to give back ur land

 

[New World]

If they give up South Tibet and Kashmir , in all seriousness India isn't going to get the UNSC, and it will be used as a bargaining tool.

Ok for NSG membership???

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

If they give up South Tibet and Kashmir , in all seriousness India isn't going to get the UNSC, and it will be used as a bargaining tool.

Kashmir? I thought China would demand Sikkim too?

 

[Sasquatch]

Kashmir? I thought China would demand Sikkim too?

Relax man it's a joke, China recognizes Sikkim as apart of India. What I was trying to say is Pakistan and China both would support India for UNSC seat in exchange for India giving up South Tibet and Kashmir, probably even accept India demand of a Water treaty as well but that's unlikely to happen as support for Indian UNSC perm seat is.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

China recognizes Sikkim as apart of India.

Was not aware of this

 

[mike2000 is back]

UNSC veto power was given to the victorious allies in WW2. All 5 members took part in WW2 and emerged as the victors in their respective wars. Since the end of WW2 the big 3 global powers have been USA, USSR/Russia and China. Britain and France are secondary players.

Whatever global problem that needs a solution (e.g. Iran nuclear program) it is those P5 countries that are involved and sometimes Germany as +1.

Which country is suitable you ask? NONE!

India hasn't done anything to be a UNSC member. India doesn't voice its opinion enough on important issues so no ones takes India seriously.

Lool LMAO Britain and France have been secondary players after WWII while China has been a main /major player ? are you serious or being sarcastic?

 

[Huan]

Was not aware of this

Me neither.

 

[mike2000 is back]

It's not about luck but about power and achievements.

We fought the US and allies in Korean war to a statemate
We defeated india in 1962
We exploded our atomic bomb in 1964

UN inner club membership is not for countries that brags but based on achievements

unsc permanent seat was giving immediately after WWII, that was before the Korean War (which by the way China succeeded in holding off the U. S to a stalemate simply because of the massive military, equipment, support from the Soviets, without Soviet backing that wouldn't have been possible) . Plus defeating India in 1962 also had no effect onon China's inclusion either neither did exploring your atomic bomb in 1962.
The only reason you got a seat was simply because you were still independent during the second World War while all other Asian countries where either our colonies or western colonies. moreover it was the KMT that did most of the fighting against Japan not CCP who was merely a guerilla force back then and avoided any major conflict /confrontation against Japan in other to preserve its strength against the KMT, WHICH was quite reasonable .

 

[greenwood]

unsc permanent seat was giving immediately after WWII, that was before the Korean War (which by the way China succeeded in holding off the U. S to a stalemate simply because of the massive military, equipment, support from the Soviets, without Soviet backing that wouldn't have been possible) . Plus defeating India in 1962 also had no effect onon China's inclusion either neither did exploring your atomic bomb in 1962.
The only reason you got a seat was simply because you were still independent during the second World War while all other Asian countries where either our colonies or western colonies. moreover it was the KMT that did most of the fighting against Japan not CCP who was merely a guerilla force back then and avoided any major conflict /confrontation against Japan in other to preserve its strength against the KMT, WHICH was quite reasonable .

Agreed. God bless, China in WWII performed a little better than France, China resisted Japan for 14 years, France for 2 month.
China mainly got supports from USSR via west tunnel and from Britain via Mynmar-India tunnel. The east and south transporation was blocked by Japan. (between 1931-1941, China didn't receive vast supports from great USSR, Ameirca and Britian, it happened after Dec. 1941. )

Again!, Thank ROC for getting Veto right and Nixon for kicking ROC and letting PRC in.

Didn't China almost took over Korea until US landed her ships .

No Western country cared about ur A Bomb or military might back in 1970's.

If you so sure about ur so called "Might", ask Russia to give back ur land

It is comprehensive national strength. When ROC went to Taiwan, UNSC for them is a title.

 

[Shotgunner51]

..(which by the way China succeeded in holding off the U. S to a stalemate simply because of the massive military, equipment, support from the Soviets, without Soviet backing that wouldn't have been possible)...

The Soviet Union formally denied any participation in the Korean War. Though there was suspicion by UN it was only recently with the publication of books by Chinese and Russian authors, such as Zhang Xiaoming, Leonid Krylov, Yuriy Tepsurkaev and Igor Seydov that it became clear that the Soviet Union has limited participation in the conflict. It was also revealed that China was betrayed by Soviet leadership which after the outbreak of war, had refused to send infantry and armoured units, in addition to its limited number of MiG-15 squadrons (from 64th Fighter Aviation Corps, which aren't allowed to go front-line and stay only along Yalu River i.e. "Mig Alley"), and join the conflict openly beside China. The Soviet intervention in the Korean War was neither instrumental let alone decisive to the results.

Furthermore, the Chinese leadership felt humiliated by the Soviet decision to make the Chinese pay them for all the limited amount of material support that they had received, which "made the Soviets seem more like arms merchants than genuine Communist internationalists." In effect, China came to feel that the Soviet Union was both an unreliable and demanding ally and took greater steps to ensure autarky from the USSR in the years following the War. In 1960, China broke from the Soviet Union in an event known today as the Sino-Soviet Split, creating a rift amongst all communist powers which were expected to pick one side of the divide. This split, certainly influenced by the Korean War shaped relations between the two countries until 1989.

China, the Soviet Union, and the Korean War: From an Abortive Air War Plan to a Wartime Relationship | Xiaoming | Journal of Conflict Studies
Brothers in Arms: The Rise and Fall of the Sino-Soviet Alliance 1945-1963 | Wilson Center

 

[greenwood]

The Soviet Union formally denied any participation in the Korean War. Though there was suspicion by UN it was only recently with the publication of books by Chinese and Russian authors, such as Zhang Xiaoming, Leonid Krylov, Yuriy Tepsurkaev and Igor Seydov that it became clear that the Soviet Union has limited participation in the conflict. It was also revealed that China was betrayed by Soviet leadership which after the outbreak of war, had refused to send infantry and armoured units, in addition to its limited number of MiG-15 squadrons (from 64th Fighter Aviation Corps, which aren't allowed to go front-line and stay only along Yalu River i.e. "Mig Alley"), and join the conflict openly beside China. The Soviet intervention in the Korean War was neither instrumental let alone decisive to the results.

Furthermore, the Chinese leadership felt humiliated by the Soviet decision to make the Chinese pay them for all the limited amount of material support that they had received, which "made the Soviets seem more like arms merchants than genuine Communist internationalists." In effect, China came to feel that the Soviet Union was both an unreliable and demanding ally and took greater steps to ensure autarky from the USSR in the years following the War. In 1960, China broke from the Soviet Union in an event known today as the Sino-Soviet Split, creating a rift amongst all communist powers which were expected to pick one side of the divide. This split, certainly influenced by the Korean War shaped relations between the two countries until 1989.

China, the Soviet Union, and the Korean War: From an Abortive Air War Plan to a Wartime Relationship | Xiaoming | Journal of Conflict Studies
Brothers in Arms: The Rise and Fall of the Sino-Soviet Alliance 1945-1963 | Wilson Center

These bilateral relationship has complex aspects. Anyway, I appreciate USSR help China to establish industrial bases in honeymoon period, no matter what Russian intention was. We got the results we needed, they got their results, win-win.

 

[Shotgunner51]

The only reason you got a seat was simply because you were still independent during the second World War while all other Asian countries where either our colonies or western colonies. moreover it was the KMT that did most of the fighting against Japan not CCP who was merely a guerilla force back then and avoided any major conflict /confrontation against Japan in other to preserve its strength against the KMT, WHICH was quite reasonable .

The reason why you got a seat was simply because you were the "last man standing" versus Nazi aggression, the rule which also applied to China, and the Soviet Union, all three took heavy fire from the Axis for many years and hardly survived. France was an exception, the whole country was already part of Nazi Third Reich in only a few weeks after the war started, and that was years ago before creation of UN.

"The Four Policemen" was a term coined by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, to refer to four major Allies of World War II and founders of the United Nations (UN): the United States, United Kingdom, Soviet Union, and Republic of China.

It was a pragmatic system based on the primacy of the strong — a "trusteeship of the powerful," as he then called it, or, as he put it later, "the Four Policemen." The concept was, as Senator Arthur H Vandenberg noted in his diary in April 1944, "anything but a wild-eyed internationalist dream of a world state.... It is based virtually on a four-power alliance." Eventually this proved to be both the potential strength and the actual weakness of the future UN, an organization theoretically based on a concert of great powers whose own mutual hostility, as it turned out, was itself the greatest potential threat to world peace.

Four Policemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Each of the Four Policemen was to maintain order in its respective sphere: Britain in its empire and in Western Europe; the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe and the central Eurasian landmass; China in East Asia and the Western Pacific; and the United States in the Western Hemisphere.

Yes, China meant ROC in that sense, which was the "last man standing" versus Imperial Japanese aggression, not PRC which was established only at 1949 after a civil war on mainland. PRC succeed the seat from ROC, despite ROC still rules over a much smaller territory of Taiwan. Similarly, Russia succeed the seat from USSR. Hence that's PRC, Russia, US, UK and France as UNSC P5 today.