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Second part or surrendering part is not going to happen. Sorry. But better part can happen and is happening even today. Will happen in future too.
China now posts 15 page statement on Dokhlam
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Second part or surrendering part is not going to happen. Sorry. But better part can happen and is happening even today. Will happen in future too.
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Runs to 1971.
No it is the pain and beating that you got at LOC. And 1971 isn't going help with that.
Hindustan produces cr@p. It has highest rate in that.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/economy/pakistans-gdp-growth-at-10-year-high
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1452332/pakistans-gdp-growth-rate-even-higher-china-harvard-study/
And it is growth not gowth. What the f*Ck is that Hindustani kachra?
And that UN and US scampering is enough to force India searching for heads of its "jawans".
hehehe... Hindustan has the highest growth, your growth is in suicide bomber, Trump may next drop another JDAM MOAB on your head, till that that day, pray to god for another PREDATOR.
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Glad that you learned to write "growth". Keep it up.
Other than that you lame post has nothing that needs a reply.
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Now India's forex reserve rise to above 390 billion dollar, good going...
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Check the debt.
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ha ha a looser having its debt 250% of its gdp talking about indian debt and few months back stock market crash like a bubble talking about indian economy,currency manipulator as labelled by US talking about indian economy.....funnyCheck the debt.
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One is debt denomiated in RMB another is debt denominated in Dollars. And can you give me official stats saying it's 250% of gdp?
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https://qz.com/1024687/indias-econo...r-nearly-another-decade-says-a-harvard-study/
THE SUN WILL RISE IN WEST AS A CHINESE SAID SO AND WE BELIEVE,HAPPY
One is debt denomiated in RMB another is debt denominated in Dollars. And can you give me official stats saying it's 250% of gdp?
THE SUN WILL RISE IN WEST AS A CHINESE SAID SO AND WE BELIEVE,HAPPY
Give a 30 page statement for thatSure, learn to feed your people first, and please don't shit on the streets like animals.
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https://www.quora.com/Chinese-Etiqu...ooping-in-public-a-common-occurrence-in-ChinaSure, learn to feed your people first, and please don't shit on the streets like animals.
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History states otherwise. Quite possibly the greatest achievement of the Pak Army has been building the Kanpur - Delhi road. You should be proud.Second part or surrendering part is not going to happen. Sorry. But better part can happen and is happening even today. Will happen in future too.
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Doklam crisis begins winding down: Both sides reduce troops, China proposes new Sikkim border agreement
The 45-day confrontation in Doklam has begun de-escalating. Top army sources tell Business Standard that the number of Chinese border guards at the contested border tri-junction between India, China and Bhutan is now down to just 40, from a peak of over 300 at the end of June.
Meanwhile, many Indian troops have also been pulled back. From a peak of almost 400 at the height of the crisis, there are now just 150 Indian soldiers in the contested Doklam bowl. In addition, a full Indian Army brigade, consisting of almost 3,000 troops, stands poised in Indian territory near the tri-junction, ready to respond to any emergency requiring the use of force.
As part of the de-escalation, the Chinese government has issued a lengthy, 15-page statement on Wednesday that uses tough language, but also evinces a new reasonableness. It demands “immediate and unconditional withdrawal” of Indian troops, but innocuously stating that, from “over 400 people at one point, [who] put up three tents and advanced over 180 meters into the Chinese territory… As of the end of July, there were still over 40 Indian border troops and one bulldozer illegally staying in the Chinese territory.”
Business Standard understands that Beijing and New Delhi have reached an understanding to mutually withdraw troops from the contested area, regardless of their public postures.
As this newspaper reported on July 19 (“With Doklam negotiations under way, military believes it has emerged victor”) Indian defence planners calculate that, in a stalemate, such as that emerging from a mutual and simultaneous withdrawal from Doklam, India would have achieved its security aims.
The two-fold aim that India would have achieved includes demonstrating to Beijing New Delhi’s commitment to its security treaty with Bhutan; and keeping the Chinese at arm’s length from the vulnerable Siliguri corridor – a 27-kilometre wide bottleneck that connects the Indo-Gangetic Plain with India’s seven northeastern states.
China’s statement on Wednesday broadly sets out the Chinese claim over Doklam, reiterating what its foreign ministry spokespersons put out at the end of June in their official press interactions.
The statement bases China’s claim on the 1890 Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet. It says that “After the founding of the People’s Republic of China and the independence of India, the governments of both countries inherited the 1890 Convention and the delimited China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector, as established by the Convention.”
This Chinese logic ignores the vital fact that Beijing long regarded Sikkim as an independent country, accepting it as a part of India only in 2003, during Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee’s visit to Beijing. China’s indirect acceptance took the form of a border trade agreement at Nathu La; and, subsequently, the revision of Chinese maps showing Sikkim as a part of India.
In a significant development, the statement proposes: “The Chinese and Indian sides have been in discussion on making the boundary in the Sikkim Sector an ‘early harvest’ in the settlement of the entire boundary question during the meetings between the Special Representatives on the China-India Boundary Question… The boundary in the Sikkim Sector has long been delimited by the 1890 Convention, which was signed between then China and Great Britain. China and India ought to sign a new boundary convention in their own names to replace the 1890 Convention. This, however, in no way alters the nature of the boundary in the Sikkim Sector as having already been delimited.”
The latest Chinese statement also repeats earlier assertions that the Doklam intrusion is “fundamentally different from past frictions between the border troops of the two sides in areas with undelimited boundary”. Beijing asserts that, since the Sikkim sector has an agreed (delimited) boundary (via the 1890 Convention), this “violates China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity…”
Beijing has also cited the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3314 of December 14, 1974, to rebut New Delhi’s argument that China’s incursion into Doklam had “serious security implications” for India. That resolution, which has been violated repeated in recent years, especially by the US, prevents the violation of international boundaries for any reason, whether political, economic or military.
Ironically, given China’s powerful infrastructure push all along the Sino-Indian border, the statement accuses India of “construct[ing] a large number of infrastructure facilities” in the Doklam area, including on the Indian side of the border, posing “a grave security threat to China.”
The statement also contains a flash of steel, warning that “No country should ever underestimate the resolve of the Chinese government and people to defend China’s territorial sovereignty.” It says “India should immediately and unconditionally withdraw its trespassing border troops back to the Indian side of the boundary”… and “conduct a thorough investigation into the illegal trespass.”
In the final paragraph, the statement evinces a warmth that has been conspicuously absent from Beijing’s hawkish language since the start of the crisis. It says Beijing “always values the growth of good-neighbourly and friendly relations with India and is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity in the border…”
Resolution of the crisis, says Beijing “would serve the fundamental interests of both countries and go along with the shared expectations of countries in the region and the wider international community.”
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2017/08/doklam-crisis-begins-winding-down-both.html
A MAJOR win for India, how many nations have stood up to "the dragon" and got them to back down?
What happened to all this "Indian soldiers will be killed or captured" talk from the Chiense media?
What an embarassing come down this is for those ultra-nationalist crazies that were almost begging for the PLA to "teach India a lesson".
The 45-day confrontation in Doklam has begun de-escalating. Top army sources tell Business Standard that the number of Chinese border guards at the contested border tri-junction between India, China and Bhutan is now down to just 40, from a peak of over 300 at the end of June.
Meanwhile, many Indian troops have also been pulled back. From a peak of almost 400 at the height of the crisis, there are now just 150 Indian soldiers in the contested Doklam bowl. In addition, a full Indian Army brigade, consisting of almost 3,000 troops, stands poised in Indian territory near the tri-junction, ready to respond to any emergency requiring the use of force.
As part of the de-escalation, the Chinese government has issued a lengthy, 15-page statement on Wednesday that uses tough language, but also evinces a new reasonableness. It demands “immediate and unconditional withdrawal” of Indian troops, but innocuously stating that, from “over 400 people at one point, [who] put up three tents and advanced over 180 meters into the Chinese territory… As of the end of July, there were still over 40 Indian border troops and one bulldozer illegally staying in the Chinese territory.”
Business Standard understands that Beijing and New Delhi have reached an understanding to mutually withdraw troops from the contested area, regardless of their public postures.
As this newspaper reported on July 19 (“With Doklam negotiations under way, military believes it has emerged victor”) Indian defence planners calculate that, in a stalemate, such as that emerging from a mutual and simultaneous withdrawal from Doklam, India would have achieved its security aims.
The two-fold aim that India would have achieved includes demonstrating to Beijing New Delhi’s commitment to its security treaty with Bhutan; and keeping the Chinese at arm’s length from the vulnerable Siliguri corridor – a 27-kilometre wide bottleneck that connects the Indo-Gangetic Plain with India’s seven northeastern states.
China’s statement on Wednesday broadly sets out the Chinese claim over Doklam, reiterating what its foreign ministry spokespersons put out at the end of June in their official press interactions.
The statement bases China’s claim on the 1890 Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet. It says that “After the founding of the People’s Republic of China and the independence of India, the governments of both countries inherited the 1890 Convention and the delimited China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector, as established by the Convention.”
This Chinese logic ignores the vital fact that Beijing long regarded Sikkim as an independent country, accepting it as a part of India only in 2003, during Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee’s visit to Beijing. China’s indirect acceptance took the form of a border trade agreement at Nathu La; and, subsequently, the revision of Chinese maps showing Sikkim as a part of India.
In a significant development, the statement proposes: “The Chinese and Indian sides have been in discussion on making the boundary in the Sikkim Sector an ‘early harvest’ in the settlement of the entire boundary question during the meetings between the Special Representatives on the China-India Boundary Question… The boundary in the Sikkim Sector has long been delimited by the 1890 Convention, which was signed between then China and Great Britain. China and India ought to sign a new boundary convention in their own names to replace the 1890 Convention. This, however, in no way alters the nature of the boundary in the Sikkim Sector as having already been delimited.”
The latest Chinese statement also repeats earlier assertions that the Doklam intrusion is “fundamentally different from past frictions between the border troops of the two sides in areas with undelimited boundary”. Beijing asserts that, since the Sikkim sector has an agreed (delimited) boundary (via the 1890 Convention), this “violates China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity…”
Beijing has also cited the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3314 of December 14, 1974, to rebut New Delhi’s argument that China’s incursion into Doklam had “serious security implications” for India. That resolution, which has been violated repeated in recent years, especially by the US, prevents the violation of international boundaries for any reason, whether political, economic or military.
Ironically, given China’s powerful infrastructure push all along the Sino-Indian border, the statement accuses India of “construct[ing] a large number of infrastructure facilities” in the Doklam area, including on the Indian side of the border, posing “a grave security threat to China.”
The statement also contains a flash of steel, warning that “No country should ever underestimate the resolve of the Chinese government and people to defend China’s territorial sovereignty.” It says “India should immediately and unconditionally withdraw its trespassing border troops back to the Indian side of the boundary”… and “conduct a thorough investigation into the illegal trespass.”
In the final paragraph, the statement evinces a warmth that has been conspicuously absent from Beijing’s hawkish language since the start of the crisis. It says Beijing “always values the growth of good-neighbourly and friendly relations with India and is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity in the border…”
Resolution of the crisis, says Beijing “would serve the fundamental interests of both countries and go along with the shared expectations of countries in the region and the wider international community.”
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2017/08/doklam-crisis-begins-winding-down-both.html
A MAJOR win for India, how many nations have stood up to "the dragon" and got them to back down?
What happened to all this "Indian soldiers will be killed or captured" talk from the Chiense media?
What an embarassing come down this is for those ultra-nationalist crazies that were almost begging for the PLA to "teach India a lesson".
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Cheerleaders are the most affected.
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China is BADLY exposed by this entire fiasco, despite countless warnings and relentless propoganda from the Chinese side India has stood its ground and not a damn thing has happened. The noise coming from the Chinese was just that and the next time around who is going to take them seriously?
For India at least, this will have a lasting impact and I expect the leadership and forces on the ground will feel far more empowered and emboldened to stand up to these thugs in the future if required to.
As for the cheerleaders, they will all scurry away like the rats they are and look for the next available opportunity to insult/attack India for. One thing is for sure, the Chinese today don't look as dependable and powerful as they did a few weeks back.
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I liked the way we dug in for a long haul and brushed aside all the warnings. But surely china will attempt again.
India 1- china 0
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