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BEIJING, Dec 7 China's foreign exchange reserves fell far more than expected in November to the lowest level in nearly six years, as authorities struggled to stem capital outflows and shore up the sliding yuan in the face of the relentlessly rising dollar.

With U.S. President-elect Donald Trump threatening to label China a currency manipulator on his first day in office, the country's central bank is walking a tightrope, seeking to slow the yuan's descent and tightening controls on money moving out of the country to deter capital flight.

China's reserves fell by $69.06 billion last month, the fifth straight month of declines and more than twice what economist had expected, central bank data showed on Wednesday.

The foreign exchange regulator made a rare comment on the reserves data soon after, explaining the reserves' fall as a combination of the central bank's activity and the impact of the stronger dollar, which reduced the value of other currencies held by China.

While China still has the world's largest forex reserves, they have steadily declined over the last two years to $3.052 trillion, levels not seen since March 2011.

Some traders believe the $3 trillion mark is a key psychological level for the People's Bank of China (PBOC), but it risks rapidly churning through its remaining stockpile if the U.S. dollar inexorably rises and it fights to steady the yuan.

"The central bank is making a difficult choice between the two (keeping the yuan stable or protecting its reserves)," said Wang Jun, senior economist at China Centre for International Economic Exchanges, a Beijing-based think-tank.

Last month's drop in reserves was the largest since January, when a sharp fall in the yuan and worries about China's slowing economy raised fears that Beijing could devalue its currency for a second year running, roiling global financial markets.

The central bank is widely believed to have sold U.S. dollars to support the yuan as it sunk to more than 8-1/2 year lows last month.

But the yuan's more than 5 percent slide so far this year has sparked a flurry of bets that it will weaken further, leaving traders wondering how long China can maintain its yuan defence.

The yuan fell 1.6 percent in November alone, its worst month since August 2015 when Beijing shocked global markets by devaluing the currency by almost 2 percent overnight.

Adding to pressure on the yuan and worries about the economy, Trump has vowed to label China a currency manipulator on his first day in office on Jan. 20 and has threatened to impose huge tariffs on imports of Chinese goods.

While Trump has accused China of keeping its currency undervalued to boost exports, some analysts say the yuan has been overvalued, as evidenced by its 12 percent drop since early 2014 and traders' expectations of a further slide.

Only intervention by the PBOC in recent weeks has kept it from falling through the key 7 per dollar level in onshore markets.


TIGHTER CAPITAL CONTROLS

Though the composition of China's reserves is a state secret, analysts agreed the falling value of other currencies it holds against the rising U.S. dollar likely accounted for some of the fall in reserves last month.

Still outflows appear to have picked up as companies and ordinary Chinese rushed to get money out of the country.

"The data suggest that net capital outflows accelerated last month from $69 billion in October to around $80 billion," Capital Economics said in a note, adding that those were just preliminary estimates.

"That said, it is premature to talk of a renewed renminbi crisis," Capital Economics said.

"More likely than not, the latest surge in the dollar will not be repeated in the coming months, making it easier for the PBOC to engineer a return to a more gradual pace of renminbi depreciation against the U.S. currency."

China has announced a string of measures recently to tighten controls on money moving out of the country, adding to speculation that potentially destabilising capital outflows were on the rise.

The State Administration of Foreign Exchange (SAFE) has begun vetting transfers abroad worth $5 million or more and is increasing scrutiny of major outbound deals, even those with prior approval, sources told Reuters last week.

China also will rein in risks from "irrational" outbound investment deals, Xinhua news agency said on Tuesday, citing a variety of officials.

A senior central bank researcher told Reuters last week that Beijing needs to break a negative feedback loop where expectations of further yuan weakness spur outflows, and fresh capital flight in turn puts more pressure on the currency.

"The capital control tightening that Chinese authorities announced is a very good indicator that capital outflows continue from China and are turning threatening," analysts at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ said in a note this week.

To be sure, the yuan is falling alongside many other currencies in the face of the strong dollar, which is being buoyed by hopes Trump will shift U.S. growth into faster gear.


BOTTOM LINE?

French bank Societe Generale said earlier this year that International Monetary Fund guidelines put $2.8 trillion as the minimum prudent level for China, which is not far away if reserves keep falling at the current pace.

"The bottom line should be $2 trillion, but they could get very nervous if the reserves fall to $2.5 trillion," said Nie Wen, an analyst at Hwabao Trust in Shanghai.

Some government economists have put the safety level at somewhere between $1.62 trillion to $2 trillion.

http://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-forex-reserves-idUSL4N1E02IK
 
Should be. I sincerely hope China replaces most of her forex reserves with gold. A gold-based RMB is something I'd like to hold.
Gold getting digged very day. But not the case for US bond /Dollars. Without holding US bonds China won't have any bargain chip against worlds only super power.

And in times of Donald Trump USD will get stronger and stronger.

Just few days ago softbank from Japan announced its plans to invest 50 +7 billion USD in many sectors for new start ups. The chief of the bank said this announcement was made to great new President Trump during his meeting with them. This investment should be had gone to China, Vietnam India Bangladesh if it's not for Trump.

And Trump is focusing on cutting down useless expenditures. Like u should had seen on his decision to cancel 4 billion dollars contract for new Gen aircraft for president Airforce One. . . He is not yet a president. Yet he made deal for 57 billion and 50,000 new jobs. Just think what could be the result in country like US use this 57 bill usd as new start ups? Mean while increasing demand for American goods but cutting down Chinese products by heavy duties. Soon am sure US will be great again with much more powerful than it is today. Leaving Russia and rest far behind.

Chinese economy is now over heated. Need to be cooled but the timing of this stress must be worrying for the Chinese. Chinese cleverly investing in very long term projects so even at times of economic slowdown and currency value crunch they will still hold control over the countries they gave loans.

Interesting if India keeps its growth stronger for the next 5 years. This will put massive pressure on China to take decisions in heist and commit mistakes. Japanese US India about to see massive growth in wealth in coming years. If China can hold their current wealth for the next 5 years. I could say that they have done good job. But will they get their money bank from unstable countries they gave soft loans?
 
Gold getting digged very day. But not the case for US bond /Dollars. Without holding US bonds China won't have any bargain chip against worlds only super power.

And in times of Donald Trump USD will get stronger and stronger.

Just few days ago softbank from Japan announced its plans to invest 50 +7 billion USD in many sectors for new start ups. The chief of the bank said this announcement was made to great new President Trump during his meeting with them. This investment should be had gone to China, Vietnam India Bangladesh if it's not for Trump.

And Trump is focusing on cutting down useless expenditures. Like u should had seen on his decision to cancel 4 billion dollars contract for new Gen aircraft for president Airforce One. . . He is not yet a president. Yet he made deal for 57 billion and 50,000 new jobs. Just think what could be the result in country like US use this 57 bill usd as new start ups? Mean while increasing demand for American goods but cutting down Chinese products by heavy duties. Soon am sure US will be great again with much more powerful than it is today. Leaving Russia and rest far behind.

Chinese economy is now over heated. Need to be cooled but the timing of this stress must be worrying for the Chinese. Chinese cleverly investing in very long term projects so even at times of economic slowdown and currency value crunch they will still hold control over the countries they gave loans.

Interesting if India keeps its growth stronger for the next 5 years. This will put massive pressure on China to take decisions in heist and commit mistakes. Japanese US India about to see massive growth in wealth in coming years. If China can hold their current wealth for the next 5 years. I could say that they have done good job. But will they get their money bank from unstable countries they gave soft loans?
3 years of economic development, the next 5 years of economic prospects. A very abrupt, and without any regional experiment the currency reform.
Seems to give India a lot of confidence.
 
Just few days ago softbank from Japan announced its plans to invest 50 +7 billion USD in many sectors for new start ups.
This is just a PR. A true businessman won't announce that he will put his money on something he doesn't even know yet. That just looks silly.

Gold getting digged very day. But not the case for US bond /Dollars. Without holding US bonds China won't have any bargain chip against worlds only super power.

And in times of Donald Trump USD will get stronger and stronger.

Just few days ago softbank from Japan announced its plans to invest 50 +7 billion USD in many sectors for new start ups. The chief of the bank said this announcement was made to great new President Trump during his meeting with them. This investment should be had gone to China, Vietnam India Bangladesh if it's not for Trump.

And Trump is focusing on cutting down useless expenditures. Like u should had seen on his decision to cancel 4 billion dollars contract for new Gen aircraft for president Airforce One. . . He is not yet a president. Yet he made deal for 57 billion and 50,000 new jobs. Just think what could be the result in country like US use this 57 bill usd as new start ups? Mean while increasing demand for American goods but cutting down Chinese products by heavy duties. Soon am sure US will be great again with much more powerful than it is today. Leaving Russia and rest far behind.

Chinese economy is now over heated. Need to be cooled but the timing of this stress must be worrying for the Chinese. Chinese cleverly investing in very long term projects so even at times of economic slowdown and currency value crunch they will still hold control over the countries they gave loans.

Interesting if India keeps its growth stronger for the next 5 years. This will put massive pressure on China to take decisions in heist and commit mistakes. Japanese US India about to see massive growth in wealth in coming years. If China can hold their current wealth for the next 5 years. I could say that they have done good job. But will they get their money bank from unstable countries they gave soft loans?
Oh, by the way, I think you will make a very successful politician. :)
 
Because the USD will soon become worthless.

That is your wish. Look at the reality.

USD has actually gained more share in its usage as a reserve currency. There seems to be no competition.

Also, China is now imposing very strict capital controls, so much so that companies making profits in China are finding it hard to take their money out. Such capital restrictions will only weaken the case for RMB as reserve currency.

Anyways frankly, China should right now NOT focus on reserve currency and stuff. It should first make its economy twice the size of the US economy, and then start thinking about it.
 
That is your wish. Look at the reality.

USD has actually gained more share in its usage as a reserve currency. There seems to be no competition.

Also, China is now imposing very strict capital controls, so much so that companies making profits in China are finding it hard to take their money out. Such capital restrictions will only weaken the case for RMB as reserve currency.

Anyways frankly, China should right now NOT focus on reserve currency and stuff. It should first make its economy twice the size of the US economy, and then start thinking about it.
RMB being a reserve currency isn't the goal. it is just another means to make China economy twice the size of the US. It helps the trade where US dollar isn't convenient.
 
3 years of economic development, the next 5 years of economic prospects. A very abrupt, and without any regional experiment the currency reform.
Seems to give India a lot of confidence.

85% of demonetised old notes already came in to the system. In which world are you living in. Now RBI started to send new 100 rupees notes for circulation. U like it or not we grew above 7.3% this fiscal. And we expect 6.8% for next term. And FdI reached 300 billion. Our forex reserve is mounting every day. What else you want for national development? And FYI we are just in second of growth. We yet to ride in 6th gear. Soon we will. . . Our democracy makes its a stable and steady progress. Slow yes. Because we have lots more problems in democracy. But step by step slow process also solving the problem and finding solutions for future generations too. That's bloody brilliant

This is just a PR. A true businessman won't announce that he will put his money on something he doesn't even know yet. That just looks silly.


Oh, by the way, I think you will make a very successful politician. :)

So are u saying that this CEO of Softbank is just fooling Trump and American media by showing a big fat bill which officially stamped and amount printed on it? Dude it's on YouTube just go and check the full video
 
That is your wish. Look at the reality.

USD has actually gained more share in its usage as a reserve currency. There seems to be no competition.

Also, China is now imposing very strict capital controls, so much so that companies making profits in China are finding it hard to take their money out. Such capital restrictions will only weaken the case for RMB as reserve currency.

Anyways frankly, China should right now NOT focus on reserve currency and stuff. It should first make its economy twice the size of the US economy, and then start thinking about it.
As China is catching up to US but US dollar getting stronger and US GDP is also growing fast.
 
So are u saying that this CEO of Softbank is just fooling Trump and American media by showing a big fat bill which officially stamped and amount printed on it? Dude it's on YouTube just go and check the full video
He is not fooling Trump. They simply work together to fool Americans.
 
That is your wish. Look at the reality.

USD has actually gained more share in its usage as a reserve currency. There seems to be no competition.

Also, China is now imposing very strict capital controls, so much so that companies making profits in China are finding it hard to take their money out. Such capital restrictions will only weaken the case for RMB as reserve currency.

Anyways frankly, China should right now NOT focus on reserve currency and stuff. It should first make its economy twice the size of the US economy, and then start thinking about it.

That is your wish. Look at the reality.

Euros and Pounds dropping significantly due to internal issues forcing up demand for replacement currencies and U.S. Dollar still losing share longterm, is not "gaining" worth.
 
As if US dollar growing stronger is a good thing? China export once again gain another favour. Didn't trump say China is a currency manipulator?

Dollar gaining strength is a bad sign for trump and American. More export will drop, business in US will be more expensive. As if China are desperate to make rmb goes higher? It's all u see control by CPC.
 
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