China misread India’s decisions on J&K’s status, says External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar

[Furious]

Can you post the source? That map is not acceptable to Pakistan at all. You mean we should give GB and KPK to China. What are you smoking bro.

India under Mauryan Empire. With @Foxtrot Delta logic, we should claim it all now.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

India under Mauryan Empire. With @Foxtrot Delta logic, we should claim it all now.

That not my logic thats chinese claim and did u notice ladakh and leh are not part of muriya empire even skardu is at the border.... The map u just posted proves the chinese point ladakh is part of tibet and china since even muriya empire dates may he even before that .. Only british ruined the map for 150 years.

India under Mauryan Empire. With @Foxtrot Delta logic, we should claim it all now.

Thats the exact border chinese claim of ladakh and kashmir with china exactly 100%

But they spared so much in gilgit baltistan for pakistan. Today's pakistan map and a bit more in kashmir valley is acceptible to chinese.

Can you post the source? That map is not acceptable to Pakistan at all. You mean we should give GB and KPK to China. What are you smoking bro.

Yes pakistan talked with chinese and signed an agreement already what needed to be given to chinese has already been given and what needed to be given by chinesw they have already given to pakistan. Now indian valley and ladakh need to be settled either with india or whoever controls the territory when they start to talk with chinese.

I don't know how they convinced china to let go of so much land in gilgit baltistan but chinese let it be controlled by pakistan.. Only other nation chinese have given concession to borders is with russia.


I guess they could give concessions to india too if india approached them in a friendly manner like pakistan and russia did respectively in their own way.

But until india does that india is seen as an enemy who controls chinese land.

 

[Furious]

That not my logic thats chinese claim and did u notice ladakh and leh are not part of muriya empire even skardu is at the border.... The map u just posted proves the chinese point ladakh is part of tibet and china since even muriya empire dates may he even before that .. Only british ruined the map for 150 years.


Thats the exact border chinese claim of ladakh and kashmir with china exactly 100%

But they spared so much in gilgit baltistan for pakistan. Today's pakistan map and a bit more in kashmir valley is acceptible to chinese.


Yes pakistan talked with chinese and signed an agreement already what needed to be given to chinese has already been given and what needed to be given by chinesw they have already given to pakistan. Now indian valley and ladakh need to be settled either with india or whoever controls the territory when they start to talk with chinese.

I don't know how they convinced china to let go of so much land in gilgit baltistan but chinese let it be controlled by pakistan.. Only other nation chinese have given concession to borders is with russia.


I guess they could give concessions to india too if india approached them in a friendly manner like pakistan and russia did respectively in their own way.

But until india does that india is seen as an enemy who controls chinese land.

The “Postal map of China”, 1917, an official publication of the Government of China, published at Peking in 1917. Actually an imperialist map of China during the relevant period, the map depicts Aksai Chin, Nepal, Sikkim, and what is now Arunachal Pradesh outside Chinese territory. The source and creator of the image is the Government of China of the relevant period i.e. 1917 and the map shows that Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh were not disputed, and are not Chinese territories. The map is reproduced in all “noteworthy” books pertaining to India’s border issue, including “Himalayan Frontiers” by Dorothy Woodman published inter alia by London Barrie and Rockliff The Cresset Press, 1969

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

The “Postal map of China”, 1917, an official publication of the Government of China, published at Peking in 1917. Actually an imperialist map of China during the relevant period, the map depicts Aksai Chin, Nepal, Sikkim, and what is now Arunachal Pradesh outside Chinese territory. The source and creator of the image is the Government of China of the relevant period i.e. 1917 and the map shows that Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh were not disputed, and are not Chinese territories. The map is reproduced in all “noteworthy” books pertaining to India’s border issue, including “Himalayan Frontiers” by Dorothy Woodman published inter alia by London Barrie and Rockliff The Cresset Press, 1969

Chinese claim to restore borders around 1750 qing dynasty rule. 1911 was when british had already taken majority of hong kong, india , pakistan regions.

1911 is world war 1 date chinese claim of modern day china by, governments in China Communist party of china and in taiwan Nationalist governemnt both claim 1750's qing dynasty china territory to be modern day chinese state based upon.

Hence the disputes. Chinese consider british as opressors and foreigners similar to japanese.

Listen to chinese national anthem. 起来 起来! Well now they have 起来了 and the british and Japanese and enemies of chinese will pay for down fall of china for 300 years.. Only 300 years when china was not a super power of world histroy of 5000 years.. Only 300 years china was opressed by british and Japanese and even russians.

Now its their golden age watch them take all the glory back.

They see india and pakistan as left over legacy of british just like hong kong taiwan and macau.

Only difference is pakistan mend its problems with them and became strategic partner and signed treaty of friendly neighbours alomg with russia.


India needs to do the same asap and give up chinese land in order to be friends with china. Then they can together take care of usa and europe.

But if india is in opposite camp .... They are enemies.

2019 till 2045 is not a good time to be enemies with china.

You can clearly see ladakh and leh being part of china in this map. Along with arunachal and himachal 50% some parts of bhutan and sikkim, hong kong, taiwan, hainan, south china islands around Philippines some afghan, pakistan and tajik land. This is map between 1790 and 1825 AD

 

[Furious]

Chinese claim to restore borders around 1750 qing dynasty rule. 1911 was when british had already taken majority of hong kong, india , pakistan regions.

1911 is world war 1 date chinese claim of modern day china by, governments in China Communist party of china and in taiwan Nationalist governemnt both claim 1750's qing dynasty china territory to be modern day chinese state based upon.

Hence the disputes. Chinese consider british as opressors and foreigners similar to japanese.

Listen to chinese national anthem. 起来 起来! Well now they have 起来了 and the british and Japanese and enemies of chinese will pay for down fall of china for 300 years.. Only 300 years when china was not a super power of world histroy of 5000 years.. Only 300 years china was opressed by british and Japanese and even russians.

Now its their golden age watch them take all the glory back.

They see india and pakistan as left over legacy of british just like hong kong taiwan and macau.

Only difference is pakistan mend its problems with them and became strategic partner and signed treaty of friendly neighbours alomg with russia.


India needs to do the same asap and give up chinese land in order to be friends with china. Then they can together take care of usa and europe.

But if india is in opposite camp .... They are enemies.

2019 till 2045 is not a good time to be enemies with china.

You can clearly see ladakh and leh being part of china in this map. Alomg with some afghan, pakistan and tajik land.

Man, you are whole lot of propaganda, you even want to give up your sovereign land to make them happy. We will fight for our land that is rightfully ours. They cannot decide any arbitrary date to suit their claims. If that was the case what about the ottoman empire, the greek, the USSR, the British colony, every land is conquered land.

 

[Metanoia]

What's done...is done. Time for Pakistan to really change its priorities towards a strong prosperous economy, good infrastructure, and an overhaul of "system".

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Man, you are whole lot of propaganda, you even want to give up your sovereign land to make them happy. We will fight for our land that is rightfully ours. They cannot decide any arbitrary date to suit their claims. If that was the case what about the ottoman empire, the greek, the USSR, the British colony, every land is conquered land.

British occupied it illegally. Just like they did in palistine and just like they did along many countries.

And pakistani government already gave away aksai chin, shaksgam and parts or tushtorghan to china as they were legitimate owners. And we made good friends with them.

You cant be friends until you compromise both sides make compromises.

India should do the same with china and pakistan. For peace. When russia china pakistan can do it for sake of peace giving up own territory. Why can't india do it? Ego too big??

Man, you are whole lot of propaganda, you even want to give up your sovereign land to make them happy. We will fight for our land that is rightfully ours. They cannot decide any arbitrary date to suit their claims. If that was the case what about the ottoman empire, the greek, the USSR, the British colony, every land is conquered land.

You can dismiss my words as propaganda but until u sit down with pakistan and china individually and sort out ur disputed borders. You guys will have very powerful nuclear armed world's top militaries and airforces as enemies towards you.

Sit with pakistan and then with china. Resolve ur issues before they both team up and take whats theirs.

Looks like russia, israel, pakistan, turkey and china might throw united nations charter in the bin and go for might is right. When that happens make sure you are mighty or loose everything.

Its better to solve problems before wars happen. India should sit and talk like everyone suggests.

You can call it propaganda but chinese text books and maps don't lie... Here is another example of boundries of india , in chinese eyes before british came in... Look at ladakh.. And look at leh... Look at asam and then arunachal... Thats what they say can be claimed by india... Ofcourse Afghanistan is also part of india in the map... Muriya empire... But ladakh no sir. Leh no sir.

Unless china herself gives up ladakh and leh no one can make them drop the claim or struggle to get it back..

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Shia sunni crap is for 18 year old kids only... Or arabs and iranians.

We in pakistan are muslims and to us shia in iran or sunni in arabia are equal brothers ... What makes u think shia of kashmir or india are different than to us?

I was born in sunni house hold... People call us sunni i hate the label.... Shia or sunni most of us in pakistan don't care about shia sunni divide only 18 year old kids get worked up about it when fueled...


Go sell that shia crap to arabs or iranians we pakistanz are not primitive minded people... You think of muslims of south asia very pathetic and narrow minded while reality will surprise u.

Also to my observation Shia are more islamic and pro pakistan than sunniz in pakistan and i think it is the same in kashmir... keep watching something big is coming ur way....

U guys believe in karma ... Wait for it.

Here here! Indians constantly think shias and Sunnis are some division they can exploit.

Regarding OP, I doubt the Chinese are dumb enough to fall for the "reformatting" argument from IT call centre helpdesk representative. India has ZERO right to "reformat" Chinese or Pakistani territory.

India under Mauryan Empire. With @Foxtrot Delta logic, we should claim it all now.

So you're descended from the mauryans and only the mauryans?

 

[SIPRA]

So you're descended from the mauryans and only the mauryans?

Most probably, descended from some "chutiyans".

 

[PakGuns]

This mofo has no idea ... that ladakh and leh are chinese territories. and hence chinese are upset. its not indian territory ladakh is part of tibet province since hundreds of years only british took parts form tibet in 1850s. the border with ladakh is not final and chinese will take all lakes and water bodies of ladakh with qing dynasty territorial claim. boundry has not changed that's the problem,, it should be returned to china asap along with arunachal pradesh.

as soon as india signs a treaty of friendship and hands over chinese land back to chinese like pakistan did and russia did years back. india can be a friend. for now india is occupying chinese land.

what's china gonna do other than just using kung fu?? lol

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

you say shia and sunni as if they are oppsitie forces. in pakistan we don't care for divisions. even if they are sunni or shia we are all muslims. pakistan is for muslims not shia or sunni.. or one group. its for Muslims!


don't worry it has already been agreed upon by pakistan and china in 1963 whatever was needed to be given was given and what was to be taken has been taken. now its all about indian controlled territory. chinese made concessions for pakistan and pakistan made concessions for chinese. and Qing dynasty map is the real map of china. Qing Made china. otherwise its just a group of nations who want to be divided and will start fighting again. Qing Dynasty china is the ultimate aim.

pakistan and china have an understanding over this. there is no issue.


Xinjiang was chinese all the time. those who differ are fools. Pakistan is a chinese ally and pakistan and china will always look out for each other.

Muslim regions will to Pakistan. Buddist regions go into tibet province of china. india is illegally occupying the land of china and pakistan. its just a british fuckup... british made a mess in the region.

also pakistan and afghanistan techincally were 1 country . had northern indian parts in it. i think history will repeat itself.

Is that map you showed with the red line, is that what's been agreed upon? If it is then as a citizen of kpk and Pakistan I object. I will wait for your response before I spread this. China isnt going to be liked by the people when this gets out.

Also go read a history book Xinjiang hasn't been under "Chinese" rule for long. Also if you are equating China to the qing empire then I'm evaluating pakiatan to the empires it had too. Thus all the territory, all the way from central Asia to Afghanistan is Pakistani territory.

 

[American Pakistani]

Yes pakistan talked with chinese and signed an agreement already what needed to be given to chinese has already been given and what needed to be given by chinesw they have already given to pakistan. Now indian valley and ladakh need to be settled either with india or whoever controls the territory when they start to talk with chinese.

I don't know how they convinced china to let go of so much land in gilgit baltistan but chinese let it be controlled by pakistan.. Only other nation chinese have given concession to borders is with russia.


I guess they could give concessions to india too if india approached them in a friendly manner like pakistan and russia did respectively in their own way.

But until india does that india is seen as an enemy who controls chinese land.

Now you make some sense. The settlement of boundaries between China and Pakistan has been done in 1963 which is our current boundary. The map you posted earlier confuses people into thinking that Pakistan has some agreement in which it has to give almost entire Gilgit Baltistan and part of KPK.

And yes a north part of Ladakh belongs to China.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Now you make some sense. The settlement of boundaries between China and Pakistan has been done in 1963 which is our current boundary. The map you posted earlier confuses people into thinking that Pakistan has some agreement in which it has to give almost entire Gilgit Baltistan and part of KPK.

And yes a north part of Ladakh belongs to China.

that map above is original claim of china taiwan and hongkong governments on boundries with pakistan india and tajikistan.

we are thankful to pakistaniz and chinese goverments in 1963 who settled it in a very good way and now we dont have any dispute with china in regards to territory. and majority of ladakh is chinese land. Majority city of leh falls under chinese territorial claims. unless they talk to chinese and make chinese give them concessions that's the bitter reality.

Is that map you showed with the red line, is that what's been agreed upon? If it is then as a citizen of kpk and Pakistan I object. I will wait for your response before I spread this. China isnt going to be liked by the people when this gets out.

Also go read a history book Xinjiang hasn't been under "Chinese" rule for long. Also if you are equating China to the qing empire then I'm evaluating pakiatan to the empires it had too. Thus all the territory, all the way from central Asia to Afghanistan is Pakistani territory.

pakistani current border after 1963 is reconized border by chinese. only thing left to decide is fate of ladakh and kashmir valley. according to the plan all buddist regions will fall into tibet province and muslim regions into azad kashmir province.

china and pakistan are integrating their countries in near future only thorn in the way is india and their illegal occupation of jammu and kashmir.

the map i show above was offcial claim of china, taiwan and hongkong in the region. chinese made big concessions for pakistan and pakistan made some big concessions for chinese. and treaty of friendship and strategic partnership was signed in 1963.

if that had not been signed after india's war loss with china in 1962 Pakistan would have had to fight chinese. but seeing how good the relationship was and both goverments worked so fine, chinese and pakistaniz became best of the allies instead of enemies.

we believe if china is strong and stable, pakistan is strong and stable. and if pakistan is strong and stable china is strong and stable. official policy of Pakistan and china.

 

[OIO]

that map above is original claim of china taiwan and hongkong governments on boundries with pakistan india and tajikistan.

we are thankful to pakistaniz and chinese goverments in 1963 who settled it in a very good way and now we dont have any dispute with china in regards to territory. and majority of ladakh is chinese land. Majority city of leh falls under chinese territorial claims. unless they talk to chinese and make chinese give them concessions that's the bitter reality.


pakistani current border after 1963 is reconized border by chinese. only thing left to decide is fate of ladakh and kashmir valley. according to the plan all buddist regions will fall into tibet province and muslim regions into azad kashmir province.

china and pakistan are integrating their countries in near future only thorn in the way is india and their illegal occupation of jammu and kashmir.

the map i show above was offcial claim of china, taiwan and hongkong in the region. chinese made big concessions for pakistan and pakistan made some big concessions for chinese. and treaty of friendship and strategic partnership was signed in 1963.

if that had not been signed after india's war loss with china in 1962 Pakistan would have had to fight chinese. but seeing how good the relationship was and both goverments worked so fine, chinese and pakistaniz became best of the allies instead of enemies.

we believe if china is strong and stable, pakistan is strong and stable. and if pakistan is strong and stable china is strong and stable. official policy of Pakistan and china.

IMO, India has missed the chance.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

IMO, India has missed the chance.

i think the communist party of china still wants india out of american alliance and they want to talk with india. but its the indians who are dreaming about challenging china one day.