China may export J-10B fighters with Russian AL31FN-S3 engines to Pakistan

[Last Samuri]

Viper

Stop quoting FICTION you sound like a desperate 8 year old .

YOU LOSING CREDIBILITY RAPIDLY

Pakistan has over $ 20 billion in her savings account and its growing at an average of .4-.5 billion a month. So $ 4 billion is a piece of cake if they REALLY have to pay cash. But they will easily get loans like India and everyone else.

The Pakistan today is over her path to be the top 15th economy in the next two decades. A similar journey that India took due to Bill Clinton's help. You guys should put his picture above Nehru and Gandhi as he's really the one who with a single hand (and his Presidential powers), worked very hard and resulted in outsourcing billions of jobs and investments to India.

Massive industrial GIANTS like india ( compared to your Pakistan) CANNOT ADD $4 billion forex a MONTH consistently.

PAKISTAN HAS A FORX to balance your import bill and BELIEVE ME $15 - 16 BILLION is peanuts.

LOOK AT THIS VIPER PAKISTAN 17 PLACES BELOW BANGLADESH IN FOREX RESERVES

Nigeria 28,335 Jun 2015[53]

52

Bangladesh 26,175 Aug 2015[54]

66

Pakistan 15,692 June 2015


Let me also SHOW l you GROWTH RATES

South Asia

India & Banglasdesh will out grow you by double in next three years alone

SO

I ASK AGAIN where you getting the $ 4 billion from

WHICH IS SAME AS INDIA SPENDING $40 BILLION on 40 planes

impossible numbers for Pakistan

Viper your Future predictions are so out of sink with what we see happening in Pakistan.

Come back down to reality

12 months ago Pakistan was down graded by moodys for missing interest payments on a IMF loan.

CHINA WILL GIVE YOU SOFT LOANS FOR J10

Russia no chance for SU35

Guarnteed PAF wil acquire used F16 again on the cheap

 

[abdulbarijan]

Viper

Stop quoting FICTION you sound like a desperate 8 year old .

YOU LOSING CREDIBILITY RAPIDLY





Massive industrial GIANTS like india ( compared to your Pakistan) CANNOT ADD $4 billion forex a MONTH consistently.

PAKISTAN HAS A FORX to balance your import bill and BELIEVE ME $15 - 16 BILLION is peanuts.

LOOK AT THIS VIPER PAKISTAN 17 PLACES BELOW BANGLADESH IN FOREX RESERVES

Nigeria 28,335 Jun 2015[53]

52

Bangladesh 26,175 Aug 2015[54]

66

Pakistan 15,692 June 2015


Let me also SHOW l you GROWTH RATES

South Asia

India & Banglasdesh will out grow you by double in next three years alone

SO

I ASK AGAIN where you getting the $ 4 billion from

WHICH IS SAME AS INDIA SPENDING $40 BILLION on 40 planes

impossible numbers for Pakistan

Viper your Future predictions are so out of sink with what we see happening in Pakistan.

Come back down to reality

12 months ago Pakistan was down graded by moodys for missing interest payments on a IMF loan.

CHINA WILL GIVE YOU SOFT LOANS FOR J10

Russia no chance for SU35

Guarnteed PAF wil acquire used F16 again on the cheap

If only they had told your smarty pants the concept of 'decimals' maybe you'd not be out here making a complete fool out of yourself ...

As far as the "payments" conspiracy goes ... you do know the defense of CPEC is the need of every nation that will use it ... that also includes Russia & China ... so don't try to convince yourself that such a transaction can never happen ... As long is there is an underlying need like the one with CPEC ... there will be talk of such and such solutions .... whether it is put in to play is another thing .. however lets not dismiss it altogether simply because YOU don't think Pakistan can afford it ...

 

[majid mehmood]

guys let this be clear jf 17 will replace mirages and f7
while j 10 will replace f16 in far future so we should expect j10c
while su 35 deal is cooking

 

[CHI RULES]

I know that.... But the thing that J-10 is a joint venture is shocking one for me..

Wish we can just buy 100 of em and Su-35 to replace Mirages.....

100 J-10
76 F-16
150 JF-17
30 JF + 18 Su-35 for Navy
18 Su-25 for PAF

we have a Damn good Airforce
some dreams

I differ ur ideal position minutely as su25 FOR paf not suitable, further we should get 36 SU35 for PN as permanent solution for next two decades or more usage with future upgardes. We should induct J11D or any other available Chinese variant of SU27 family for fighter bomber role say up to two squadrons and retire Mirrages specified for strike role say in next 5 to 8 Years.

With deal of SU35 Pak amy open closed gate to get capable russian jet engine may be used in future platforms like J31,JF17 and expected J11 variant if inducted.

 

[ziaulislam]

Viper

Stop quoting FICTION you sound like a desperate 8 year old .

YOU LOSING CREDIBILITY RAPIDLY





Massive industrial GIANTS like india ( compared to your Pakistan) CANNOT ADD $4 billion forex a MONTH consistently.

PAKISTAN HAS A FORX to balance your import bill and BELIEVE ME $15 - 16 BILLION is peanuts.

LOOK AT THIS VIPER PAKISTAN 17 PLACES BELOW BANGLADESH IN FOREX RESERVES

Nigeria 28,335 Jun 2015[53]

52

Bangladesh 26,175 Aug 2015[54]

66

Pakistan 15,692 June 2015


Let me also SHOW l you GROWTH RATES

South Asia

India & Banglasdesh will out grow you by double in next three years alone

SO

I ASK AGAIN where you getting the $ 4 billion from

WHICH IS SAME AS INDIA SPENDING $40 BILLION on 40 planes

impossible numbers for Pakistan

Viper your Future predictions are so out of sink with what we see happening in Pakistan.

Come back down to reality

12 months ago Pakistan was down graded by moodys for missing interest payments on a IMF loan.

CHINA WILL GIVE YOU SOFT LOANS FOR J10

Russia no chance for SU35

Guarnteed PAF wil acquire used F16 again on the cheap

1. i agree we dont have money..look at india a 10x bigger economy cant cough upt 4 billion for rafale!
2. idiot, forex reserves means nothing, its the GDP

 

[aliyusuf]

If only they had told your smarty pants the concept of 'decimals' maybe you'd not be out here making a complete fool out of yourself ...

Well that really ought to shut him up for a while.
I mean. what a faux pas, too busy making wise cracks to actually realize and comprehend what was posted by @Viper0011.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

I differ ur ideal position minutely as su25 FOR paf not suitable, further we should get 36 SU35 for PN as permanent solution for next two decades or more usage with future upgardes. We should induct J11D or any other available Chinese variant of SU27 family for fighter bomber role say up to two squadrons and retire Mirrages specified for strike role say in next 5 to 8 Years.

With deal of SU35 Pak amy open closed gate to get capable russian jet engine may be used in future platforms like J31,JF17 and expected J11 variant if inducted.

sorry it was type mistake It's not Su-25 but it's Su-35

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I know that.... But the thing that J-10 is a joint venture is shocking one for me..

Wish we can just buy 100 of em and Su-35 to replace Mirages.....

100 J-10
76 F-16
150 JF-17
30 JF + 18 Su-35 for Navy
18 Su-25 for PAF

we have a Damn good Airforce
some dreams

If j-10's do come then they would also be part of the navy. What exactly is PAF thinking is a million dollar question.
Still what can be seen from the recent developments is that some how Pakistan is trying to overcome the Western reliance by looking towards the Chinese and Russians. It can be possible that Pakistan is no longer considering France as a reliable partner (but one can not be 100% sure) hence they are moving towards Russia. If USA some how manages to sell 24 F-16's still PAF has to fulfil many other slots emptied by the A-5's FT-6 and F-7 along with replacing Mirrage's.

As far as PN is concerned it might opt for J-10's as well as increase the numbers of SU-35's along with the 30 JF-17's. That would really be a force to reckoned with.

As far as the news regarding JV of J-10 is concerned...Pakistan was working on this project from day one but some how PAF convinced the Chinese to continue with the JF-17 product so that in case China requires additional fire power or a point to point defence platform. J-10 was hence not in the lime light because JF-17 was being covered a brilliant tactic don't you think.

The numbers of aircraft would be increased to 450-500 combat aircraft and around 100-150 for the Navy considering the threat on both EAST and WEST Frontiers.

Many more surprises could pop out now and then...

sorry it was type mistake It's not Su-25 but it's Su-35

have you gone through this

Meet Europe's deadliest strike plane, the Su-34 Fullback

 

[aghias]

If Pakistan gets ahold of these planes, it will be very good for their security and will significantly improve their air force.

 

[Donatello]

My sources told me from the Pakistani side that don't you worry, either J-10B or the SU-35's will be coming around the SAME time, and with some -16's used with low flying hours on them.

That does not make any sense, J-10 Medium weight fighter, Su35 Heavy, long range strike aircraft.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

That does not make any sense, J-10 Medium weight fighter, Su35 Heavy, long range strike aircraft.

PAF does require an other Medium range fighter to replace the Mirages. This was supposed to by getting some more F-16 but that is a problem.

 

[New World]

18 Su-25 for PAF

and why you want this 3rd gen old jet at a time when paf is retiring those 3rd gen jets??

EDIT:

sorry it was type mistake It's not Su-25 but it's Su-35

ok..got your point..

 

[Quwa]

That does not make any sense, J-10 Medium weight fighter, Su35 Heavy, long range strike aircraft.

To PAF what purpose would medium weight fighters serve if Su-35s are inducted (in healthy numbers)? I think the Su-35s would be used for strike and long-endurance loiter operations, and that would happen infrequently. The JF-17s (in very healthy numbers) could be used to maintain frequent sorties and engage in operations along the border on a very frequent basis. Basically the JF-17 would allow the PAF to maintain pressure.

What purpose would medium weight fighters serve in such a dynamic?

I can see the rationale of having a very good air defence platform that could be deployed quickly and easily maintained in times of conflict, and the F-16 fits that bill perfectly. Imagine an F-16 squadron deployed to each of the FOBs along the east, with AMRAAM and hopefully AIM-9X or IRIS-T one day, they would serve splendidly. But does the non-availability of additional F-16s warrant the need to induct another medium weight fighter IF Su-35 is bought?

 

[aliyusuf]

If the Su-35 comes in, then there shouldn't be any immediate need for the J-10B.

But once the IAF Su-30MKI fleet undergoes the Super Sukhoi upgrade/MLU and perhaps also Rafales eventually get inducted in the near future ... we may see that our non-AESA F-16s at a serious disadvantage. Which would still be a very significant element in our striking force comprising of 4 Sqd. So, unless we can get an AESA upgrade for the F-16 or get Su-35s in good numbers i.e. at least 6 squadrons (unlikely ... too costly to operate even if we somehow manage the purchasing cost), the PAF may find itself facing a problem.

Speculatively JF-17s future AESA radar may not turn out be as capable as we may want. Due to the fact that AESA requires lots of power and a future uprated engine replacement for the future block may not be enough to power both the added payload requirements and to provide the requisite power for a powerful AESA properly. Also does the JF-17 nose cone provide enough room for a sizeable AESA with decent number of TR-Modules? So the result may be a compromise in installing an ASEA with lesser power requirements and TR-Modules .. hence less capable.

Will we be able to induct FC-31/J-31 (when its ready) in enough numbers to offset the above mentioned scenario? Not to begin with, again, too costly.

If such is the scenario, I see a good likelihood for the J-10B or a later version being inducted as well.

 

[Donatello]

To PAF what purpose would medium weight fighters serve if Su-35s are inducted (in healthy numbers)? I think the Su-35s would be used for strike and long-endurance loiter operations, and that would happen infrequently. The JF-17s (in very healthy numbers) could be used to maintain frequent sorties and engage in operations along the border on a very frequent basis. Basically the JF-17 would allow the PAF to maintain pressure.

What purpose would medium weight fighters serve in such a dynamic?

I can see the rationale of having a very good air defence platform that could be deployed quickly and easily maintained in times of conflict, and the F-16 fits that bill perfectly. Imagine an F-16 squadron deployed to each of the FOBs along the east, with AMRAAM and hopefully AIM-9X or IRIS-T one day, they would serve splendidly. But does the non-availability of additional F-16s warrant the need to induct another medium weight fighter IF Su-35 is bought?

No what i meant was, Is PAF looking to induct BOTH Su35 AND J-10 or just one them. Because these aircraft are not interchangeable.

Medium fleet can be built around F-16s, 100 of them or beyond are enough. We can have 150-200 JF-17s. Rest, 50 or so can be SU35.

That's a 300-350 combat aircraft fleet all BVR equipped. No way India can have any sort of domination over Pakistan.