China is stumbling hard at acquiring the high-tech chip companies it wants so badly

[shadows888]

Good for China...now China can conduct its own R&D, without acquiring American technological know-how, which it tries so hard to attain. It's about time China stops buying, bullying(forced transfer), and stealing American technology.

Nan, not china's fault that your capitalists are so willing to sell out their own country . all the important stuff are already done. Only three items China is behind, semi-conductors, Jet engines, and Carrier catapults, all of which is only a matter of time.

Because China hired foreign experts and if any company wants to do business in China, forced IP transfer is the norm.

u mad bro? I thought you guys are all capitalists? whats the problem if your engineers want more pay and benefits?

 

[gambit]

It took billions of dollars and collaboration of multiple countries to create the ISS. China, one single country, created their own.

This is a dishonest argument.

You are essentially saying that the ISS could not be built unless multiple countries are involved, and yet you offered no credible TECHNICAL explanation on why not.

The International Space Station was originally planned to be multi-national in scope. If the US built Skylab back in the 1970s, we could build something as large as the ISS on our own.

u mad bro? I thought you guys are all capitalists? whats the problem if your engineers want more pay and benefits?

U mad bro ? Did I say anything wrong with being a nerdcenary ? You Chinese can boast all you want about China's accomplishments, but do not deny the fact that China, just like pre war Imperial Japan, used foreign help.

 

[shadows888]

This is a dishonest argument.

You are essentially saying that the ISS could not be built unless multiple countries are involved, and yet you offered no credible TECHNICAL explanation on why not.

The International Space Station was originally planned to be multi-national in scope. If the US built Skylab back in the 1970s, we could build something as large as the ISS on our own.

You failed your own forum name.


U mad bro ? Did I say anything wrong with being a nerdcenary ? You Chinese can boast all you want about China's accomplishments, but do not deny the fact that China, just like pre war Imperial Japan, used foreign help.

China is Japan on steroids x 10 population x 25 land size with vast natural resources, the two is incomparable. In the next few decades, China is going to make the Soviets look like bunch of Amateurs.

 

[jhungary]

But why the hostility? Why not iron out differences and join forces for international peace and prosperity?

Because the US move away from Space Station. Any sort of experiment you can do up there the American has already done it, as well as the Russian, French, Britain and don't forget, US actually did set aside the difference between Russian and the US to make it happen, the US wasn't interested in this (along with the Brits and French and even the Russian themselves) is mostly irreverent to China. (ISS ran from 1988 to 2011 for the US, that's 23 years)

If China want to start an international adventure in Space Station, Chinese should be aiming on country like South Korea, India, Brazil or other budding Space Nation for it, US, French, Brits, Russia all did their tour and it's basically for them, this is a waste of money to do it again....

 

[xunzi]

The US deployed its first space station, Skylab, almost 45 years ago. As far as space activity goes, China is simply replicating what's already been achieved.

China has been for years attempting to acquire American technological know-how both legally and illegally. So what does this tell us? It tells me that China views itself as lagging behind the US in technological capability. These bans are a message to China that they will have to conduct their own years long R&D, and that Chinese shortcuts are unacceptable.

The truth of the matter is the US is a protectionist and ideologically against competition in the free market. The rest is just nonsense on your part. The main reason for this block is constraining our ability to catch up and there is a reason for that as we are the only country in the whole world capable to overtaking the US in technological prowess in this century. Had this been one of the European country, Sk, or Japan buying US tech, it would be a non-story.

 

[gambit]

China is Japan on steroids x 10 population x 25 land size with vast natural resources, the two is incomparable.

Not that different in how both acquired foreign knowledge and rose to prominence.

In the next few decades, China is going to make the Soviets look like bunch of Amateurs.

Sure, compare yourself against Russia. Feel good.

Do note that during the Cold War, why is it that while the Soviet Union could produce ICBMs, it could not produce the microwave oven ? See if you can understand that question.

 

[jhungary]

Nan, not china's fault that your capitalists are so willing to sell out their own country . all the important stuff are already done. Only three items China is behind, semi-conductors, Jet engines, and Carrier catapults, all of which is only a matter of time.



u mad bro? I thought you guys are all capitalists? whats the problem if your engineers want more pay and benefits?

China are lacking behind in a lot more field than just three, FINTech, ICT Tech, Software and Biotech, just name a few.

Also, it's not about selling out, but about not being competitive, you don't pump money to float a company which lost their edge, you let go, but this time, you are talking about sensitive tech, this happens a lot. When you have a mature economy and market, you won't still have 100 competition on the same market, you only have a few and the other would be weed out.

 

[shadows888]

Because the US move away from Space Station. Any sort of experiment you can do up there the American has already done it, as well as the Russian, French, Britain and don't forget, US actually did set aside the difference between Russian and the US to make it happen, the US wasn't interested in this (along with the Brits and French and even the Russian themselves) is mostly irreverent to China. (ISS ran from 1988 to 2011 for the US, that's 23 years)

If China want to start an international adventure in Space Station, Chinese should be aiming on country like South Korea, India, Brazil or other budding Space Nation for it, US, French, Brits, Russia all did their tour and it's basically for them, this is a waste of money to do it again....

Lol what, so science in space should stop now? there are still limitless amounts of experiments that can still be done in space but budget constraints from space programs around the world (China included) do not allow so. Not to mention new techs that was not available back then would provide new paths for advancement like quantum computing/communication.

 

[kankan326]

Because China hired foreign experts and if any company wants to do business in China, forced IP transfer is the norm.

That's exactly what USA did and are doing now. USA stole experts and talents from all other countries and soon from a farmland became a innovation center.

 

[xunzi]

Lol what, so science in space should stop now? there are still limitless amounts of experiments that can still be done in space but budget constraints from space programs around the world (China included) do not allow so. Not to mention new techs that was not available back then would provide new paths for advancement like quantum computing/communication.

To be honest, that guy @jhungry is pretty clueless about the potential of space science. But you can expect him to call out one of his counsin, his wife cousin, his mom's mom that have connection to NASA or some space agency and expect him to give you a run down of how space work. this dude. LOL

 

[gambit]

That's exactly what USA did and are doing now. USA stole experts and talents from all other countries and soon from a farmland became a innovation center.

Stole ? How ?

The US is an immigrant country, so if foreigners contributed, it was voluntary of their intelligence and hard word. Whereas, your China had to force foreign companies to get into partnerships where new technologies could be had for free.

 

[xunzi]

Stole ? How ?

The US is an immigrant country, so if foreigners contributed, it was voluntary of their intelligence and hard word. Whereas, your China had to force foreign companies to get into partnerships where new technologies could be had for free.

You brought in Nazi scientists and engineers and not to mention your archenemy Soviet Union to work in the US and you call that an immigrant country. In fact, the father of your space rocket is an ex-Nazi. LOL

 

[jhungary]

Lol what, so science in space should stop now? there are still limitless amounts of experiments that can still be done in space but budget constraints from space programs around the world (China included) do not allow so. Not to mention new techs that was not available back then would provide new paths for advancement like quantum computing/communication.

Did I said "Science and Space should stop now"?

The problem for US and China is both countries are on a different scale when it come down to Space Exploration and Technology, and this gap is HUGE, what I meant huge is at least 40-50 years gap. You can of course denied that, but well, you are probably just lying to yourself.

The problem here is money, say, before ISS, there are 400 different experiment I want to do in space, thus building the ISS would serve to do all these 400 experiment, but after the ISS have been running on 30 + years, you don't have 400 experiment you want to run anymore, you have a few. And yes, it's like you said, Space Knowledge is unlimited, but from now on, the question US facing is not going to be as much as when they started, which mean they may have only a fraction of the question they will need to experiment on compare to when they just started the ISS back in 1998. While China just started this, they will have to go thru that 400 question, which justify the cost for the Chinese, but for the American, to keep a space station to solve a fraction of the question does not worth the money for.

This is the reason NOT JUST WHY US was not interested in space station with China, BUT ALSO WHY US WITHDREW FROM ISS in 2011 as well.

 

[shadows888]

Not that different in how both acquired foreign knowledge and rose to prominence.


Sure, compare yourself against Russia. Feel good.

Do note that during the Cold War, why is it that while the Soviet Union could produce ICBMs, it could not produce the microwave oven ? See if you can understand that question.

Do you know how the USA rose to prominence? They stole British inventions during the industrial revolution, and the British were hella mad but there's nothing much they can do. They were too small in scale and fell behind.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02...re-stealing-us-technology-america-has-history

Here's what the British tried to do "The Brits were not happy about the attempts to steal their intellectual property. Severe penalties were on the books for anyone trying to take machines or designs out of the country, or even to lure skilled workers. It was actually illegal for such skilled workers to leave the country."

Not comparing, because China and Soviet Union are incomparable too. The Soviets lack a strong economy and spent 25% of their $ on the military, not to mention they were 1/2 population of USA. China's military budget is < 2% of GDP, all resources goes to investing for tomorrow and it's starting to pay off in dividends.

You brought in Nazi scientists and engineers and not to mention your archenemy Soviet Union to work in the US and you call that an immigrant country. In fact, the father of your space rocket is an ex-Nazi. LOL

Don't forget Qian Xuesen, co-founder of Cal-tech Jet Propulsion Laboratory and later Father of Chinese Rocketry.

 

[kankan326]

Stole ? How ?

The US is an immigrant country, so if foreigners contributed, it was voluntary of their intelligence and hard word. Whereas, your China had to force foreign companies to get into partnerships where new technologies could be had for free.

If you call "voluntary" immigrants. On the other hand, did China force experts to work for Chinese companies? Did China force foreign companies to do business with China? I can't see any difference. You call China stole technologies. USA stole too.

American government and companies are not so innocent either. They do what China and Chinese companies do.