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China is on course to build the best cars in the world

With perseverance China absolutely can do it. They are certainly coming up. My knowledge is limited to only ever driving an MG once which is chinese earlier this year. It was an HS Phev on that models highest spec. It was ok, it had lots of tech on board, drove ok.

I drive a BMW X5 which is also an suv although slightly larger than the MG HS. There is no comparison whatsoever in any field, MG is not even in same sport let alone league. But when one sees that the MG costs less than half of what an X5 cost there is no denying that MG offers very interesting value proposition and they are definitely on the way up. I wish them luck, more competition drives up quality and reduces prices.
 
I always think that China there is a certain deliberate policy not to fully indigenized car industries in China, in order to bribe part of white man elites.
China is indeed inferior to Germany and Japan in fuel vehicle technology. We need time to catch up.
 
Brother you need to push your country’s firms to export them, the only Chinese EV currently available abroad is the polestar which is a sub-brand of China owned Volvo.
We can't even occupy our own domestic market. It accounts for 40% of the global auto market.
Pakistan should attract auto manufacturers to invest in Pakistan. You have zero tariff treatment in the Chinese market. It is very promising to make cars in Pakistan and sell them to China.
China's auto market is huge, close to US $0.9 trillion in 2020.
 
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Brother you need to push your country’s firms to export them, the only Chinese EV currently available abroad is the polestar which is a sub-brand of China owned Volvo.
Untrue. EV brands like Nio and Xpeng have made sales abroad.
 
EV brands like Nio and Xpeng have made sales abroad.
Where brother?
We can't even occupy our own domestic market. It accounts for 40% of the global auto market.
Pakistan should attract auto manufacturers to invest in Pakistan. You have zero tariff treatment in the Chinese market. It is very promising to make cars in Pakistan and sell them to China.
China's auto market is huge, close to US $0.9 trillion in 2020.
Wow that’s a massive incentive, shame our government sucks at marketing this.
 
China is on course to build the best cars in the world
September 10, 2021 10.55pm AEST

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Xpeng’s G3 electric is leading the way in top-end Chinese engineering. Sipa US/Alamy


Europeans and other western nations have dominated automotive excellence for over a century. Whether it is the satisfying thud of the door closing on a Volkswagen from Wolfsburg, or the beauty of a Ferrari from Modena, these brands are iconic – and very lucrative for their manufacturers. When we think of reliability, the Germans, and latterly the Japanese, have had it sewn up. But if you rest on your laurels, an upstart will soon be chasing at your heels.

The Chinese are not exactly upstarts in the traditional sense: it’s more than a decade since they surpassed America to become the most prolific car-makers in the world. But despite reaching that milestone in 2008, China’s cars were still mostly clones of cheap western vehicles.

Now, however, China is arguably producing the best cars in the world, and on track to dominate auto manufacturing. How did this happen, and will the west be able to regain its crown?

Advantage, Beijing
The centre of excellence in car manufacturing moved from Europe at the turn of the 1900s to the US with the growth of Detroit as the world’s auto powerhouse. The 1980s and 1990s saw Japan and South Korea surge ahead, only for Europe to rise again in the early noughties as Volkswagen duelled Toyota to be number-one manufacturer by output.

Each continent has added its own flavour along the way, from innovation in safety in Europe to volume production in the US to lean manufacturing in Japan. It was Toyota’s manufacturing systems that saved German-owned Porsche when it was facing dire business conditions in the 1990s, for instance.

China has gradually built its auto-making capabilities during these different eras. It originally began making Soviet-designed utility vehicles under licence in the 1950s, before its state-owned companies reached similar arrangements in joint ventures with western manufacturers like General Motors and Volkswagen in the 1980s. This produced cars that were far better designed and more sophisticated, and soon China’s roads were becoming choked with western clones.

But if that steadily elevated China to number-one world carmaker by output, it can now go one better. The goal for any automotive nation is to produce vehicles of outstanding quality at the lowest possible price, simultaneously delighting the owner with innovative features and good design.

Vehicle quality is both about simple reliability and also what we would describe as build quality: how well the vehicle is finished, the uniformity of the paint finish, how well the different panels on the body align, and even – as Volkswagen made famous – the sound the doors make when they close.

Japanese and Korean vehicles have dominated reliability, while build quality has been the preserve of the Germans for mass-manufactured cars, and British names like Rolls-Royce and Bentley at the luxury end (ironically both are owned by the Germans).

China is now a major threat on both fronts, having had the advantage of maturing most recently: as each new nation learns to produce vehicles at scale, they benefit from all the learning and technical developments that have gone before. Incumbent nations would have to start from the ground up to unlock these benefits, which is an enormous upheaval and expense. Many US car plants were built in the 1950s or even before, for instance.

China is also well placed to build cars for the right price. It still pays relatively low wages and has millions of skilled workers steeped in the nation’s strong manufacturing culture. Skilled workers are vital to reducing automotive costs because they make vehicles that need fewer adjustments or rebuilds.

China also has excellent shipping links, with many auto factories close to Shanghai, the world’s largest shipping port. This includes Tesla’s gigafactory, one of the largest facilities in the world, capable of producing around 2,000 cars daily. Getting the product out, shipped and with the customer quickly reduces costs because manufacturers get paid sooner. Also crucially important is China’s huge components supply-chain, which is already a large exporter of car parts to other nations. This all adds up to huge economies of scale that don’t exist anywhere else, and are difficult to replicate.

Changing of the guard
Admittedly, some Chinese vehicles in the past decade have not had the design or performance expected by western buyers, so have not sold in enough volumes in Europe to worry the establishment. Yet this is changing rapidly. Start-ups like Polestar (owned by Volvo) are building vehicles that combine excellent build quality and the safety features, design and performance that western buyers demand. Sales of the Polestar 2 electric SUV have actually outpaced the Tesla Model 3 in Sweden and Norway at times, albeit the Model 3 is still the bigger seller overall.

Comparing vehicles that are built both in the west and China is particularly illuminating. Tesla’s Model 3 and Model Y cars are both built in the US and China, and owners in Europe have reported that the Chinese versions are better. I hear that their all-important panel gaps are tighter, and fewer trips to the repair shop are required.

Polestar and Tesla both have very modern factories and are fully electric. Both are designed in the west, as is BMW’s iX3, another fully electric SUV built in China for export back to Europe. Like Polestar and Tesla, the iX3 is taking advantage of China’s supply chain in EV batteries, among other things.

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The Nio eT electric sedan being unveiled in Shanghai. Xinhua/Alamy

Yet Chinese-designed and built vehicles are not far behind in their design (if not equal), and starting to invade European markets. Xpeng is one Chinese start-up that only produces electric vehicles. Having sold well in China, it is making its first moves into Europe via Norway with its G3 model. Reviews of this compact SUV by the established auto press have been good. Meanwhile, Nio is another Chinese manufacturer making great strides in becoming a global name in pure electric vehicles.

It is early days for these entirely Chinese-designed cars to take on the establishment, and there is always the possibility that geopolitics upsets progress, but it finally seems that all the ingredients are there. The next revolution in automotive is replacing petrol and diesel vehicles with electric. With all of China’s advantages, it could yet lead this shift, and finally become the home of the best cars in the world.



Best cars in the world belong to Tesla. Everyone else lives in their shadow.
 
I think you haven't seen some of the latest design from China EV brand that is exclusive first from China.

In terms of quality, China EV has already surpass others. In Pakistan, u will never had the chance to see the best of China EV.

I do think they have improved leaps and bounds... They will be leaders one day. I just don't think that day has come, yet.
 
I always think that China there is a certain deliberate policy not to fully indigenized car industries in China, in order to bribe part of white man elites.
Keep your friends close but keep your enemy closer. :agree:
 
I do think they have improved leaps and bounds... They will be leaders one day. I just don't think that day has come, yet.



We have everything the world need for EV, from technology, sophistication, mileage and design.

Electric Vehicle unlike combustion engine, do not require complicated auto gearbox and complex engine.
 
To know more about Chinese EVs, see my thread here:
Chinese internal combustion engine cars are not bad either nowadays. I will make a thread once I have time. But the future of transportation definitely lies in EV.
 
Sincerely hoping Nio makes it big. Their rapid battery swapping plan seems to be better than having to wait for hours in charging stations, which often deter people from buying an EV.
 
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