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China is detaining Muslims simply for being under 40 years old, leaked documents show

Did you even read the article I posted? If yes, what did you learn from it? Do you support Indian info-terrorim?

There is no proof that let me know if even any indian organization/person added to BAN list by UN because of supporting to terrorism.

But few organization/people (Pakistan) are already ban by UN. Rest are just false info without any legitimate proof.

On Topic - pakistan's don't criticize to China because of their own interest and same with other countries, they don't criticize to India/Pakistan for their internal issues.
 
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To be fair: Pakistan has a sphere of influence in Kashmir. So it’s Natural That Pakistan will put all its efforts into that region and not Burma or Palestine or China.
this is not about Pakistan itself, off course diplomatically it will be hard for Pakistan to openly condemn china, this is about her citizens, many among you did turn a blind eye on this, some even going as far as cheerleading for what the chinese did to the Uyghurs, I've seen many on PDF.
 
There is no proof that let me know if even any indian organization/person added to BAN list by UN because of supporting to terrorism.

But few organization/people (Pakistan) are already ban by UN. Rest are just false info without any legitimate proof.

On Topic - pakistan's don't criticize to China because of their own interest and same the other countries, they don't criticize to India/Pakistan for their internal issues.

Are you saying the European own investigators are liars??? Why would you say that?

Why would EU DisinfoLab, which undertook the investigation and published an extensive report lie???

Here, try reading this breaking news again.... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55232432

And tell me why will the Europeans lie to themselves in a report against lying???
 
you all should have listened to Adm Ackbar.

the people in Europe lie because they are deceivers, thieves, slavers and murderers. Do you not know what they did to Europeans and in the Americas, Asia and Africa?
 
what wahabi??? do you even understand what a wahabi is???

  1. not eating pork,
  2. believing in God
  3. Pray 7x a day
  4. don't drink alcohol
  5. women covering
  6. read Qura'an
  7. say salam when you met other people.
all is standard practice in Islam. LOL

I'm not insulting them, that is the truth based on the very religion they practice and they claim to represent.
As if u understand by purposely omit some practice of wahabi. Even your president who is a Muslim try to different indonesian away from these extremist islamic practice. Who are you to question China doing the same?

They reject all other practice and destroy local culture and promote isolation. What is the purest faith? Why not u cut yourself off from rest of the world by not tradng with western countries to practice the purest? Any form of communication with other faith and trading are a sight of impure. But then some will be selective with their stance to attack China under the name of islam while ignore abuse of Indian hindu and western christian.
 
That's fine by me, look man, before me the entire narrative is that what India did is un-acceptable while what China did is acceptable. They argue that China is this and that, some actually buys what people like BeijingWalker logic sell here. I destroy that narrative using the very religion they practice.

Sometimes ago, some dude here suggest that there will be a global caliphate led by Pakistan (and Turkey) which in their minds will be a champion of muslims and oppressed muslims all across the globe, turns out this idea is defeated by a simple fact that Pakistanis can't even raise their voice against China (an immediate neighbor) let alone raise arms, how are we suppose to believe that they will come to the aid of faraway muslims when they can't even help the Uyghurs next door.
Alright mr. Indonesian.
I wrote a few paragraphs a few pages ago answering your very question. The fact is that Pakistan has helped oppressed Muslims across the globe, I'll share a few examples as well.

Kashmiris against Indians - Sole main advocate for Kashmiri struggle for independence from India.
Arabs against Israel - 1967 10 Israeli Planes shot down without the loss of none.
Afghans against Soviets - 1988/89, struck the first blow that began the main decline of the Soviets.
Bosnians during genocide - Massive contribution of troops to UNO, ATGMs and weapons covertly transported to Bosnians to prevent their complete genocide.
Chechens against Russians - Covert support
Afghans against Americans - To this day funding and training the Afghan Taliban, today America is finally leaving.
And we have advocated politically for many other cases as well, including the Rohingya and Palestinian case.

Now, Pakistan is no superpower, nor do we have a trillion dollar economy to support Rohingyas or Palestinians and many other cases where all we can do is support politically. We are surrounded by hostile neighbors from all sides except China, which is pretty much a relief for us. We do not have the capabilities to help every goddamn oppressed Muslim across the globe, and yes, we have not spoken against the Uyghurs in China and there's a reason for it which is that we can't afford to make China hostile to us. Unless you don't know we also funded militant groups in Xinjiang but that stopped when the Chinese figured out. I'll give you an example. Back in the 70s we couldn't speak up for oppressed Muslims in the Soviet Union, and then right in the next decade we struck such a blow to the Soviets that their Asian territorial expansionist motives ended for good, and we avenged what they did to our fellow Muslims. Sometimes, the best option is to wait, if we cannot fight the Chinese today, we will avenge the life of each Uyghur Muslim another day.

Now it is very hypocritical of you as an Indonesian to point fingers to Pakistan when your own country hasn't done much for Muslims around the world, in fact no country has run as big as a campaign of support for Muslims around as Pakistan has. You guys have much more stronger militaries, larger economies and yet your efforts in front of Pakistan are nothing but peanuts. Then you come at us instead, who despite of a way weaker economy and a lagging behind military have defeated superpowers in our quest to protect oppressed Muslims. The fact is that when you compare our economies and capabilities and then look at who's done what for whom, the difference would skyrocketing.
No matter how much you laugh at us, we Pakistanis will believe in the concept of the Ummah till the end of days, as that is what our dear Prophet (PBUH) wanted us to be like.
Hope this shuts us people who thinks Pakistan doesn't give a damn about Uyghurs, again I will say this, mark my words, the life of every uyghur will be avenged.
 
As if u understand by purposely omit some practice of wahabi. Even your president who is a Muslim try to different indonesian away from these extremist islamic practice. Who are you to question China doing the same?

They reject all other practice and destroy local culture and promote isolation. What is the purest faith? Why not u cut yourself off from rest of the world by not tradng with western countries to practice the purest? Any form of communication with other faith and trading are a sight of impure. But then some will me selective with their stance.
did Indonesian governement:
1.forbid the hijab
2.forced it's muslims to eat pork
3.separate muslim families where their kids will be raised up godless?
4.Forced muslim men/women to marry non muslim men/women
5.limit the study of islam
6. Forbid the salah
7, razed Mosque

did we do any of this???
your understanding of Islam is very shallow and yet you here try to challenge me lol.
 
To be fair: Pakistan has a sphere of influence in Kashmir. So it’s Natural That Pakistan will put all its efforts into that region and not Burma or Palestine or China.

But yes, Pakistan needs to become independent from China ASAP. The commies are no friends of religions, especially Islam! We differ so much in ideology that this is not fun anymore.
You are not practicing islam by being a hypocrite here. You just tell the whole world u r a 2 face monster. :enjoy:
did Indonesian governement:
1.forbid the hijab
2.forced it's muslims to eat pork
3.separate muslim families where their kids will be raised up godless?
4.Forced muslim men/women to marry non muslim men/women
5.limit the study of islam
6. Forbid the salah
7, razed Mosque

did we do any of this???
your understanding of Islam is very shallow and yet you here try to challenge me lol.
Lol.. typical low life trick to link murder, forces Muslim eat pork to incite hatre.

The western lies in you is running deep. China never enforced those things and the only China enforce is to ban salafist and wahabi extremely islamic practice which is no different from many moderate Muslim country.

In China, Muslim women are allowed to wear hajib in public. While in france, such freedom for muslim are non existent. While u will only keep barking on China.
 
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Alright mr. Indonesian.
I wrote a few paragraphs a few pages ago answering your very question. The fact is that Pakistan has helped oppressed Muslims across the globe, I'll share a few examples as well.

Kashmiris against Indians - Sole main advocate for Kashmiri struggle for independence from India.
Arabs against Israel - 1967 10 Israeli Planes shot down without the loss of none.
Afghans against Soviets - 1988/89, struck the first blow that began the main decline of the Soviets.
Bosnians during genocide - Massive contribution of troops to UNO, ATGMs and weapons covertly transported to Bosnians to prevent their complete genocide.
Chechens against Russians - Covert support
Afghans against Americans - To this day funding and training the Afghan Taliban, today America is finally leaving.
And we have advocated politically for many other cases as well, including the Rohingya and Palestinian case.

Now, Pakistan is no superpower, nor do we have a trillion dollar economy to support Rohingyas or Palestinians and many other cases where all we can do is support politically. We are surrounded by hostile neighbors from all sides except China, which is pretty much a relief for us. We do not have the capabilities to help every goddamn oppressed Muslim across the globe, and yes, we have not spoken against the Uyghurs in China and there's a reason for it which is that we can't afford to make China hostile to us. Unless you don't know we also funded militant groups in Xinjiang but that stopped when the Chinese figured out. I'll give you an example. Back in the 70s we couldn't speak up for oppressed Muslims in the Soviet Union, and then right in the next decade we struck such a blow to the Soviets that their Asian territorial expansionist motives ended for good, and we avenged what they did to our fellow Muslims. Sometimes, the best option is to wait, if we cannot fight the Chinese today, we will avenge the life of each Uyghur Muslim another day.

Now it is very hypocritical of you as an Indonesian to point fingers to Pakistan when your own country hasn't done much for Muslims around the world, in fact no country has run as big as a campaign of support for Muslims around as Pakistan has. You guys have much more stronger militaries, larger economies and yet your efforts in front of Pakistan are nothing but peanuts. Then you come at us instead, who despite of a way weaker economy and a lagging behind militaries have defeated superpowers in their quest to protect oppressed Muslims.
No matter how much you laugh at us, we Pakistanis will believe in the concept of the Ummah till the end of days, as that is what our dear Prophet (PBUH) wanted us to be like.
Hope this shuts us people who think Pakistan doesn't give a damn about Uyghurs, again I will say this, mark my words, the life of every uyghur will be avenged.
Indonesia never put any islamic credentials whatsoever in it's identity, we could be blind on this and actually be ok with it, but just for you to answer.
1.Did we recognize Israel till now??
2.do you know that it's under Indonesian president Soekarno efforts that the grave of great islamic scholars Imam Bukahri are renovated in the the Soviet Union after being let into neglect??
3.Don't we support you arming the Afghan Jihadist during the Soviet-Afghan war??
4.Don't we offer to attack India for you during the '65 war???

again I acknowledge that Indonesia will never compete with Pakistan when it comes to contributions towards other Islamic countries, but what I'm really disappointed is how many of you ordinary Pakistani actually turn a blind eye whenever it comes to Uyghurs, everytime there's a news about Uyghurs you guys just instantly labelled it FAKE, wtf was that??? I could understand if it's the silence came from your leaders considering how he has much stake in hand if he upset the relationship between the two country.

but man, you guys, many of you I believe are not in any position of importance, yet you still kowtow to the Chinese, even after they triumphantly declare their intentions to erase Islam. this is odd seeing from people who usually are very passionate about Islam and it's defense.
 
Indonesia never put any islamic credentials whatsoever in it's identity, we could be blind on this and actually be ok with it, but just for you to answer.
1.Did we recognize Israel till now??
2.do you know that it's under Indonesian president Soekarno efforts that the grave of great islamic scholars are renovated in the the Soviet Union after being let into neglect??
3.Don't we support you arming the Afghan Jihadist during the Soviet-Afghan war??
4.Don't we offer to attack India for you during the '65 war???

again I acknowledge that Indonesia will never compete with Pakistan when it comes to contributions towards other Islamic countries, but what I'm really disappointed is how many of you ordinary Pakistani actually turn a blind eye whenever it comes to Uyghurs, everytime there's a news about Uyghurs you guys just instantly labelled it FAKE, wtf was that??? I could understand if it's the silence came from your leaders considering how he has much stake in hand if he upset the relationship between the two country.

but man, you guys, many of you I believe are not in any position of importance, yet you still kowtow to the Chinese, even after they triumphantly declare their intentions to erase Islam. this is odd seeing from people who usually are very passionate about Islam and it's defense.
Pakistanis are really disappointed in you attacking China for pleasing your western master while praising India hindu.

Pakistanis Kashmir pain is not your concern. If whole Kashmir Muslim are killed to substitute damage on China, you will not hesitate to do it.
 
Are you saying the European own investigators are liars??? Why would you say that?

Why would EU DisinfoLab, which undertook the investigation and published an extensive report lie???

Here, try reading this breaking news again.... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-55232432

And tell me why will the Europeans lie to themselves in a report against lying???

Do you really understand the difference between information war and actual terrorism?

BY the way, the same arcticle is saying that:
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Even Pakistan also does with fake tweets accounts and sites, and it is happens at all around the world and even few new sites are being operated from pakistan with name of Kashmir.... If you want then I will provide the site names with IP details... I can easily track them..
 
Indonesia never put any islamic credentials whatsoever in it's identity, we could be blind on this and actually be ok with it, but just for you to answer.
1.Did we recognize Israel till now??
2.do you know that it's under Indonesian president Soekarno efforts that the grave of great islamic scholars Imam Bukahri are renovated in the the Soviet Union after being let into neglect??
3.Don't we support you arming the Afghan Jihadist during the Soviet-Afghan war??
4.Don't we offer to attack India for you during the '65 war???

again I acknowledge that Indonesia will never compete with Pakistan when it comes to contributions towards other Islamic countries, but what I'm really disappointed is how many of you ordinary Pakistani actually turn a blind eye whenever it comes to Uyghurs, everytime there's a news about Uyghurs you guys just instantly labelled it FAKE, wtf was that??? I could understand if it's the silence came from your leaders considering how he has much stake in hand if he upset the relationship between the two country.

but man, you guys, many of you I believe are not in any position of importance, yet you still kowtow to the Chinese, even after they triumphantly declare their intentions to erase Islam. this is odd seeing from people who usually are very passionate about Islam and it's defense.
Thank you for talking in a reasonable manner, now we can continue a proper debate.
Indonesia cannot have an Islamic identity but as I said earlier, you don't need that identity to support Muslims on a larger scale.
I admire the efforts undertaken by Indonesians in helping Muslims as well, but that is still peanuts compared to what you have the capabilities to do.
Now I'll come to the Uyghur point and will try to explain this in the best way I can.
These people who you see on the internet who deny what is happening to the Uyghurs are what I call an ordinary normal person. Let me elaborate.
These same people supported the Soviet Union in the 1970s when they were brutally oppressing Central Asian Muslims and the government was of ZAB. When Zia Ul Haq took over, these same people supported him in the Jihad to free the Afghan people from Soviet tyranny.
These ordinary normal people would just follow the trend nothing much, if tomorrow Pakistani government starts speaking up for Uyghurs they'll do so as well. In the 70s, we were in a position of weakness and couldn't speak up for Central Asian Muslims, in the 80s we took revenge for them in the best manner possible.
Tomorrow, mark my words as I said last time as well, Pakistan will come out of its position of weakness and will avenge bit by bit what happened to the Uyghurs, we just wait for the perfect oppoturnity to strike. You shouldn't be concerned about these ordinary Pakistanis, they'll support whatever the state supports.
 
You are not practicing islam by being a hypocrite here. You just tell the whole world u r a 2 face monster. :enjoy:

Lol.. typical low life trick to link murder, forces Muslim eat pork to incite hatre.

The western lies in you is running deep. China never enforced those things and the only China enforce is to ban salafist and wahabi extremely islamic practice which is no different from many moderate Muslim country.

In China, Muslim women are allowed to wear hajib in public. While in france, such freedom for muslim are non existent. While u will only keep barking on China.
oooh come on, members like @Itachi has a whole collection of you whining on how you people will erase Islam, we don't actually need the Uyghurs or the western media to confirm any of this.

In china muslim women are allowed to wear hijab you say, it used to be and well I don't think for any longer.
in fact there's a viral video showing police in xinjiang cutting women dress to be shorter, like this.
Thank you for talking in a reasonable manner, now we can continue a proper debate.
Indonesia cannot have an Islamic identity but as I said earlier, you don't need that identity to support Muslims on a larger scale.
I admire the efforts undertaken by Indonesians in helping Muslims as well, but that is still peanuts compared to what you have the capabilities to do.
Now I'll come to the Uyghur point and will try to explain this in the best way I can.
These people who you see on the internet who deny what is happening to the Uyghurs are what I call an ordinary normal person. Let me elaborate.
These same people supported the Soviet Union in the 1970s when they were brutally oppressing Central Asian Muslims and the government was of ZAB. When Zia Ul Haq took over, these same people supported him in the Jihad to free the Afghan people from Soviet tyranny.
These ordinary normal people would just follow the trend nothing much, if tomorrow Pakistani government starts speaking up for Uyghurs they'll do so as well. In the 70s, we were in a position of weakness and couldn't speak up for Central Asian Muslims, in the 80s we took revenge for them in the best manner possible.
Tomorrow, mark my words as I said last time as well, Pakistan will come out of its position of weakness and will avenge bit by bit what happened to the Uyghurs, we just wait for the perfect oppoturnity to strike. You shouldn't be concerned about these ordinary Pakistanis, they'll support whatever the state supports.
how I wish this is true, but again will all due respect, I've seen many examples where Pakistani wants Pakistan to follow Mao's commie path towards prosperity, I'm sure you are well aware of this.
again as a fellow muslim I would like to remind you that excessive awe towards people with ideologies that are in exact opposition with your value (Islam) isn't the best way forward.

these ordinary muslims you mention I hope they realize the danger these chinese communist possessed.
if you're a muslim and you die in Kashmir under a brutal crackdown you could still be shahid
if you're a muslim and you die in China and you happen to have left islam, after those reeducation, you're fu*ked till the hereafter.
 
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Last time what I heard was the Burma lady (sorry I forget her name in spelling ) got a nobel prize and her British husband helped her a lot in west, and finally back her up to Burma leader. Now you tell us she is backed by China. WTF, she backed by China because of her policy on rohyinya. Can you amuse us more?
REally... her masters are the junta who chinese are backing.

if you are really that great and not lying... why do you hide Tiannenim massacre which I witnessed on live TV - is that a fake. Or why do you even hide Zhao Ziyang premier from the history books that even her daughter cannot even commemorate the anniversary of his passing away.

Get a life... come out of the PLA troll factory then talk facts. We know all you folks are here from PLA to sanitise your lies.
 
I am sure you have all always know this since it is the type of world you live. It is new for me since it is not the type of world I live in.
You guys arguing is kind of like MAD comics spy vs spy.

Indonesian leaders and military wear black hats. The Dutch bankster supposed "jews" also wear black hats.

Most Pakistani seem to wear white or tan hats.
In MAD comics you would be at each others throats.

Those Israeli people mostly seem to wear either black hats or big furry "I am an animal" hats.

Americans had a white house. Americans favored Pakistan. Chuck Yeager is a good example.
Iranian leaders (one of whom is a near twin to Groucho Marx) wear black hats. Americans don't like them.
 

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