China is close to Russia, but it has looked to Ukraine for military technology

[CAPRICORN-88]

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

So our Khmer Krom is a diehard fan of the murderous neo-NAZI AZOV batallion.

And he has no guilt as civilians in war are rightly meant to be used as defensive shield against the enemy.

NAM ended in 1975, our Khmer Krom hero is still in a confused and daze state.

 

[Beast]

Actually the Varyag jump start China's aircraft carrier program.

For about 25million the Varyag was a gift that fell from heaven for China.

The casino ruse and Ukrainians saying that the engines were destroyed was to fool the US. In fact all the 4 engines were sealed in grease.

Note that each engine alone costs 20 million. The deal also includes the blueprints which filled several trucks and took China about 2 years to computerized.

You could make a movie how China got the Varyag......calling it.

"Under the nose of a superpower"

From Varyag To Liaoning CV-16: The Untold Saga Of A 16-Year Journey​

From Varyag To Liaoning CV-16: The Untold Saga Of A 16-Year Journey

It was in late April 1970 that the PLA Navy (PLAN) had formed a team led by Admiral Liu Huaqing (who later became the PLAN Chief from 1982 till 1988 and was also a CMC member from 1988 to 1997) to explore ways of acquiring aircraft carriers. The Admiral later proposed that China build its own...

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You forget the fee China need to pay for the varyag park at black sea for 2 years since it has not given permission to cross the strait. The ship end up cost at least USD 150million plus expensive tow fee. It's is not that reasonable cost in the end. USD 150million during 1998 are a lot of money.

 

[cssniper]

Have this writer ever been to a market?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Motor Sich deal was already dead, and China got nothing interested for the Ukrainian technologies right now.

We will soon have our own.

 

[applesauce]

Turkey did not allow the use of the straits for the passage from the Black Sea to the Aegean, citing the Montreux Convention, as the ship was both an aircraft carrier/warship and had no engine and rudder.

The General Staff and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed the opinion that the ship should be allowed to pass in order to develop relations with China, and worked on the legal infrastructure.

The biggest concern in the Turkish public was an accident possibility, such an incident could halt traffic in the strait for months. China managed to overcome this problem by giving a letter of guarantee of 1 Billion USD against the possibility of any accident.

At the same time, it was announced that the ship would not be used for military purposes, so as not to violate the Montreux convention; Also, with the promise that a considerable number of tourists would be sent to Turkey, the Turkish government allowed the ship to pass on the condition that it was completely empty.

As a result of the passage made under great security measures, no accidents were experienced and the guarantee amount given by China was not used. After a while, China removed the front company and announced that it would use the ship for military purposes. Varyag, which was promised to be used for tourism purposes during its transportation, was announced by the Chinese Ministry of Defense in 2011, that there was no harm in using as a warship. And the aforementioned Chinese tourists never showed up either.

Trying to present all these events as if Turkey blocked China for 3 years is an extremely unfortunate and deficient perspective. Because Turkey approached China as positively as possible despite all the pressure.

tourists to turkey did increase, at a faster rate (%) than the overall increase in chinese tourists going overseas.

the chinese government did acknowledge turkey's efforts in getting the hulk released, the negotiations worked out for both sides.
relations were going good for a while.
Too bad it then crashed after turkey made noises about xinjiang and the Uyghurs. it got back to normal at least.

 

[Daniel808]

Typical western journalism. Talk as if Ukraine and China still share or cooperate in a lot of crucial military tech. Those times are long over. Besides the jet engine used on L-15 imported from Ukraine. I don't think there is much we want from Ukraine now.

L-15 Engine already licence produced by Minshan Company as WS-17.

That’s why China can keep producing L-15, including winning recent sales contract to UAE. Despite not buying Engines from ukraine since maidan.

China already mastered WS-10 & High bypass Turbofan WS-20. And Developing WS-15 & CJ-1000.

But those western propagandist still claim China cannot build small engine like WS-17

 

[Daniel808]

Russia army is afraid of Asov regiments? Man, nazi or not, if I am not mistaken, they are less than 1,000 men armed with light infantry weapons.
What a weakling. Putin should send his generals to Siberia gulags.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508053345713352704

 

[Nan Yang]

More about how China got the Varyag.

CV-16 Liaoning - Type 001 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

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[S10]

Ukraine hasn't been very friendly to China for a while, at least since Zelensky's government.

A Ukrainian court has seized the assets and all the shares of aerospace company Motor Sich, one of the world’s largest producers of engines for helicopters and planes.

Ukraine’s state security service SBU said in a statement on March 20 that a Kyiv court ruled to seize all property and shares of Motor Sich, and the company was transferred to a government body responsible for managing assets obtained through corruption and other crimes.

Ukrainian Court Seizes Aerospace Company Motor Sich From Chinese Investors

A Ukrainian court has seized the assets and all shares of aerospace company Motor Sich, one of the world’s largest producers of engines for helicopters and planes.

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Most of the cooperation with Ukraine happened 10 to 15 years ago. We need to realize that Ukraine's political climate is different now, much more aligned with US. We also need to realize that China is nearly self-reliant on all aspects of defense technologies compared to then.

 

[mike2000 is back]

China was close to Ukraine more than Russia in the past, because Ukraine is willing to sell anything that's worth of value to anyone as long as you have the money. The technology and weapons Ukraine inherited from the Soviet Union still valuable to China especially in the 90s to 00s. It was a good partnership as both got what they needed at the time.

But the relationship deteriorated after the 2014 Maiden Revolution that turn Ukraine into a pro-west government. Ukraine started to support some of the U.S lead anti-China rhetoric in international arena. And the move of nationalized Ukrainian aircraft engine maker Motor Sich after the agreement under the pressure by the U.S fractured the relation. Ukraine still owe China 4.5 billion from the deal and not paying back the money. The 2 paragraphs from the article is contradictory itself.

Example from this article.

"But Khivrenko denied reports that the West, especially the US, had tried to intervene and stop the transfer of military technology to China. “No one has ever tied the hands of Ukraine to prevent any military-technical trade deals” with Beijing, he said.

Kyiv blocked Chinese aerospace firm Skyrizon’s takeover bid for Ukrainian aircraft engine maker Motor Sich, amid US concerns about key technology being transferred. Kyiv said Motor Sich would be nationalised, and Skyrizon is seeking US$4.5 billion in compensation from the Ukrainian government at the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague."



Also, Turkey blocked the passage of Varyag from passing the Bosphorus Strait for 3 years on the grounds of safe passage. The trip Start from Black sea on June-1999, only make it to China until March 3, 2002. China could've have an aircraft carrier 3 years earlier if not for the the Turkish blockade.

The reason Turkey given was Varyag was too big too dangerous to be towed through the strategic waterways was obviously B.S. The real reason was U.S government influence, the rest was just excuse as proven the Varyag could be towed through the Bosporus without incident. Turkey has put forward dozens of conditions and got many concession out of China including technology transfer in certain military equipments. Also one of the condition was to pay a security deposit of 1 billion US dollars.

The 1 billion US dollar deposit is not required to be paid, provided that a third-party country has to provide guarantee. It's actually easier for China to guarantee it her self because it's difficult to find a country who would do this for China at the displeasure of the U.S government. And Greece step up in this case to help China. Chinese people will always remember the Greeks for the help.

Turkey Pakistan Russia China alliance

 

[mike2000 is back]

Their objective is to rescue the people of Donbass, Lugansk and Donetsk from genocide

Lool yeah, using your logic, I can also agree with many people that say foreign powers with a stake in urgur crisis should support uygurs separatists against Chinese genocide. Lol Too bad that China is big, united and strong today, else you will be facing the same situation as Ukraine today like you did in the past against Japan, Russia and Western powers.. Ukraine's only fault of that she is too weak compared to Russia. This world is made for the strong and the strong decide who or what is wrong or right.
Morality is just an excuse to be honest.

In fact we can also use that logic to carve out Malaysiaand Indonesia, afterall, many ethnic chinese have been suppressed, killed, genocide and discriminated against in Malaysia and Indonesia and its public knowledge. You guys are lucky the han Chinese are passive and docile compared to a more imperial warlike country like Russia, else your countries would have been carved out long ago by China to protect ethnic Chinese from genocide .

 

[mike2000 is back]

A Khmer Krom South Vietnamese propaganda as usual. One that cannot be corroborated just like during NAM and 1979 China punish Vietnam conflict.



Simple logic.
The crying and retreating Vietnamese defenders that left in a hurry without their shoes were busily counting Chinese dead out of the air when the advancing enemy decimated those who were could not ran fast enough.

No transportation available as they ran out of fuel just like what is happening in Ukraine today. Fuel were supplied by China.

No wonder 1 million US GI were counted as dead and that was of course according to VC reliable source.

As the VC radio station were broadcasting, the host proudly announced they just shot down a B-52 killing the pilot in midair by using an AK47 rifle.

The VC listen were elated and jumped up the table.

Such drama were not uncommon and good for laugh but not real news.



Get real.

According to US satellite sources and later confirmed by China, only 80,000 PLA soldiers were involved and by the Chinese side, they were all Guangzi border guards.

China and the US were on friendly term back then. China informed the US that they were going to attack Vietnam a month ahead and yet Vietnamese could not defend those hilly grounds in their advantages.

Can't blame the Vietnamese as they are basically guerilla fighters trained using Mao Tze Dong guerilla warfare tactics of 1930 and not a real army trained for fullscale war.

To be fair to Vietnam, they actually defended well, especially considering they were the weaker side facing a stronger China. In fact, Vietnam was even fighting China while facing a two front war, since their major forces were also engaged in their invasion and occupation of Cambodia . Its actually a very good performance from them fighting a big country like China while still invading and occupying Cambodia. For a smaller poorer country their performance was actually commendable since China couldn't make them pull out of Cambodia and protect China's then ally Polpot whose regime was overthrown by the Vietnamese forces.
So I wouldn't say it was a defeat for Vietnam either. War can be unpredictable at times when it comes to victory , especially when you are the invading party , its not a given that you will always prevail even if you are the stronger Party, since the inheritance side fighting at home knows terrain better and can fight for longer, facing less logistics problems, moral etc. Russias invasion of Ukraine shows this yet again as well.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Lool yeah, using your logic, I can also agree with many people that say foreign powers with a stake in urgur crisis should support uygurs separatists against Chinese genocide. Lol Too bad that China is big, united and strong today, else you will be facing the same situation as Ukraine today like you did in the past against Japan, Russia and Western powers.. Ukraine's only fault of that she is too weak compared to Russia. This world is made for the strong and the strong decide who or what is wrong or right.
Morality is just an excuse to be honest.

In fact we can also use that logic to carve out Malaysiaand Indonesia, afterall, many ethnic chinese have been suppressed, killed, genocide and discriminated against in Malaysia and Indonesia and its public knowledge. You guys are lucky the han Chinese are passive and docile compared to a more imperial warlike country like Russia, else your countries would have been carved out long ago by China to protect ethnic Chinese from genocide .

Is anything happening in Xinjiang to the Uyghur now or it is just a lie, a tall tales told endless time and invented by BBC and in the West started by German Adrian Zenz?

Stop drawing the parallel taking a cue from the Pyschometric Program used by Cambridge Analytica.
Divide and rule was invented by the British Colonialist in asserting their controls and rules among the natives in the occupied colonies.

Genocide??? The most misused word in the modern dictionary.

When the Uyghur population in Xinjiang has multiple by 4X
versus
Red Indians in America which has gone from 5 millions when the White immigrate to the new world and now barely 500,000.

That is where real genocide occurred.

 

[Indos]

Lool yeah, using your logic, I can also agree with many people that say foreign powers with a stake in urgur crisis should support uygurs separatists against Chinese genocide. Lol Too bad that China is big, united and strong today, else you will be facing the same situation as Ukraine today like you did in the past against Japan, Russia and Western powers.. Ukraine's only fault of that she is too weak compared to Russia. This world is made for the strong and the strong decide who or what is wrong or right.
Morality is just an excuse to be honest.

In fact we can also use that logic to carve out Malaysiaand Indonesia, afterall, many ethnic chinese have been suppressed, killed, genocide and discriminated against in Malaysia and Indonesia and its public knowledge. You guys are lucky the han Chinese are passive and docile compared to a more imperial warlike country like Russia, else your countries would have been carved out long ago by China to protect ethnic Chinese from genocide .

The one who said Chinese Indonesian is genocide in Indonesia is only Western Medias and analysts.

1965 massacre is only targeting Communist members, 99 % are native

1997 riots is not anti Chinese riots but anti Soeharto riot, the tugs in riots are targeting Chinese businesses due to Chinese businesses are seen as Soeharto backing.

1997 riots also killed more native Indonesians than Chinese Indonesians. Fact finding number are much less than what Western media speculates. Fact finding Committee is chaired by Marzuki Darusman, respected human right activist and who has been appointed by UN as Myanmar Fact finding Chairman

Marzuki Darusman